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Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2012,00:23) God certainly exists because: there is overwhelming mathematical
statistical certainty documented by my research into the “AKJV Bible”.
Documentation showing “Gods Signature” was encoded into his word.Research that you refuse to consider when you say no (according to Stuart) God exists.
You still don't get it Ed.God definitely exists BECAUSE… what reason? “Statistical certainty”?? That's not logic leading to a conclusion. You are still leaving me to do the concluding.
Well you know what I conclude. Humans are gullible and see patterns where none really exist. Your patterns do not really exist. You have imposed them. BD and Tim, to name two, have already shown you this.
What do you call someone too proud to understand the reasoned criticism of others?
Stuart
Hi Stuart, would you call presenting these FACTS 'cherry-picking' as well?
(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Fact #1. GOD's NAME, [יהוה], Theomatically matching “GOD”=26!
Fact #2. The Short Form of God's Name, [יה], is pronounced “YÄ”=26.
Fact #3. Man being created in YHVH's Image is first mentioned in Gen.1:26.
Fact #4. “GOD”=26: matches the number of letters in the English alphabet, 26.
Fact #5. “God's”, the possessive form of GOD, the number of times written is 26.
Fact #6. “Spirit OF God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ June 04 2012,02:39) Quote (Stu @ June 03 2012,15:48) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2012,02:07) Today,because of his sacrifice,many has come to God through him.
You say that as if it's a good thing.Stuart
Stu.It is a good thing to the few only.
For many are called but a few chosen.
Jesus christ did good on earth,he was preaching good,no need to hate him.wakeup.
“The few” are welcome to their celestial conspiracy theory of despicable Imaginary Friends running the universe. It's an immoral way to carry on.I don't hate Jesus, but it is pretty clear that the gospel writers had no respect for him. It is not reasonable to claim to know that Jesus actually said and did what is written about him. His life story was essentially invented in order to fulfill Jewish prophecy and establish the early christians' cult politically by giving it a history.
Part of this involved them trying to change the writings of Jospehus, so even if the stories have some truth the early christians gave away any credibility they might have had. At the very least you should be highly suspicious of their motives if they are prepared to misrepresent non-christian writers of the time.
Of course you will not be able to understand this point of view without abandoning your taught assumptions about Jesus: did you ever study history, and if so, did you ever consider what grade you would have received for an essay that cited all the original sources of material about Jesus? There are probably two: the writings of the anonymous Mark and the unknown Quelle document. The answer is that you should expect to fail because the sourcing is not reliable, it's not the writing of eyewitnesses, and it's not corroborated independently.
I am a fan of some aspects of the teachings of Socrates, but I can't really know whether he actually existed or not: the “work of Socrates” might just be the thinking of others using the fictional character Socrates as a focus for their discussion. If I claimed in a history essay that Socrates actually existed, I would have a really hard time substantiating that claim. I can't claim to know what he said if he never existed in order to say it. Of course I can still be interested in the ideas, they obviously exist.
The ideas of Jesus exist, too, no matter who came up with them. They can be discussed for their merit, whatever it might be. But as for the ancient Jewish preacher called Jesus who was manufactured into the messiah, I'd say he is spinning in his grave.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2012,08:51) Hi Stuart, would you call presenting these FACTS 'cherry-picking' as well? (26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Fact #1. GOD's NAME, [יהוה], Theomatically matching “GOD”=26!
Fact #2. The Short Form of God's Name, [יה], is pronounced “YÄ”=26.
Fact #3. Man being created in YHVH's Image is first mentioned in Gen.1:26.
Fact #4. “GOD”=26: matches the number of letters in the English alphabet, 26.
Fact #5. “God's”, the possessive form of GOD, the number of times written is 26.
Fact #6. “Spirit OF God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You have never shown anyone here how you calculate these numbers. But don't take that as an invitation from me. I am not interested, please stop bothering me with your moronic drivel. It is for simpletons, and every time you whine on about your numerological obsessions, I think of you as one, which isn't very nice. But you can help me here by never mentioning your conspiracy theories for idiots ever again to me. All I can conclude is that you crave my approval, for some reason to do with some appeal to authority. Well I'm not so good at statistics that you should see me as any kind of authority, but I do know enough to see through your sham.The shame is that you don't seem to be able to see why it is nonsense. I think the reason is that your head is full of nonsense conspiracy theories and you never attempted to learn maths (or science) properly. You claim to be using maths, but you don't know maths, and you claim to be giving evidence, but you don't understand science or logic.
I'm sorry if I ever led you to think I was interested. I'm not. Numerology is brain sewage. Actually, sewage is more interesting.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Knowing that God is real really scares you huh? That's
probably because you know you will be giving an account
of your life. I really don't know why you are so scared, what
could you have possibly done that is so terrifying to face YHVH?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ June 04 2012,09:25)
I'm sorry if I ever led you to think I was interested. I'm not. Numerology is brain sewage. Actually, sewage is more interesting.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Yes, I know, the sewage of phoney evolutionary lies are much more interesting to you.
Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2012,09:57) Hi Stuart, Knowing that God is real really scares you huh? That's
probably because you know you will be giving an account
of your life. I really don't know why you are so scared, what
could you have possibly done that is so terrifying to face YHVH?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.
you are barking up the wrong tree: for he is in short wave, and you are in long wave; he only can hear distortions.
If one is in short wave,one can only see the material, for the spiritual is too far and too deep to comprehend.wakeup.
Stu,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote That statement makes little sense either. Maybe if you didn’t end it with a preposition it might be more cogent.
The statement made perfect sense. You are just being cocky.Quote Christ mocker yes, the “christ” idea is an abomination for those with dodgy morals. Jesus mocker, no. I have no idea what Jesus did or said, so it would be ridiculous to pick on an anonymous person from history and mock him. The gospel writers have mocked Jesus enough already.
He is more than a mere “anonymous person from history” of which you are well aware. This one man has influenced the world more than any other person that has walked this planet. Nice try.Quote It depends. Would you place suicide bombers in the honourable category? Some would.
Again, you are just being cocky. You know very well what i meant. You are obviously one for whom conscience is a burden, only to be used selectively and sparingly.Quote But, the “christ sacrifice” concept is entirely different
No it is not. How would you know anyway Stu? For…Quote I have no idea what Jesus did or said
Yet you speak with authority on a subject you know nothing about huh!! How clever.Quote and your analogy is a stupid one.
Brilliant.Quote In the case of christianity, the leader of an insignificant cult
You'd call over two billion followers insignificant would you Stu…obviously math is not your thing.Quote was allegedly executed by the Romans for sedition at the insistence of the Jews.
Allegedly? I suggest you do some research and you will find secular records of that event. Nice try.
Quote This is not about sacrifice for others
Oh yes it was…but how would you know anyway Stu? Remember:Quote I have no idea what Jesus did or said
Amazing how you're an expert on something you know nothing about.Quote it is essentially about Judean politics under Roman occupancy and the invention of a face-saving messianic story that was invented for political reasons.
Now that is the stupidest thing i have heard in a while..oh wait a minute, no it's not, i read your other various replies not long ago.Quote You call it a selfless act, but it is the selfish mythology of a nasty religious sect. You don’t care about your fellow humans, all you really care about is the fantasy “eternal existence” that you think you will get through piling your sins into a human sacrifice, a cowardly act of scapegoating.
Is that all you got? C'mon Stu, that's pretty weak…i mean really!Quote Christianity is a totalitarian belief system. My relatives of a past generation went as soldiers to Europe and Africa to fight fascist totalitarianism, and I am grateful for their sacrifice which allows me the freedoms I enjoy today. You would rather we were under a jackboot, that of the christian belief system that says there is only one way to get the big prize, although we aren’t going to prove to you that it exists.
You really don't have a clue as to what you're raving on about…i mean, you're trying really really hard to convince us you actually know what you're talking about, but your comments make it crystal clear that you don't have the foggiest idea at all….just keep repeating the same old rants and who knows Stu, someone might just believe you…oh wait, your little fan club of Timothy and Princess believe you don't they!! LOOOOOOL…oh boy!Quote Rather, “arbeit macht frei”, the sick lie of the Third Reich.
As you may know, that is what the Jews read over their heads as they were brought to any of the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. In a strange kind of way it is also what you wish for: you work all your life for an illusion you call the afterlife with your god; you think everyone should; there is no actual reward it is all a brutal con, actually it’s just humans attempting to control other humans.
No Stu, my God is very real. I have no doubt at all. It is you who is being controlled actually…there is none more blind than the slaves who think they are free.Quote I am not mocking things that exist, it is not my intent to mock you either.
You know what Stu…i understand. We both have great dislike for each others beliefs. I don't mean to mock you either, but i did a few times and regret it somewhat, no matter how much i thought you deserved it, i shoulda bit my lip so to speak…but sometimes your attitude really gets under my skin, other times i laugh at your cockiness/rudeness to me and others…you Stu, are like a two edged sword…you cut both ways.
Quote I do mock the silly ideas you carry in your head, because they are both ridiculous and immoral.
C'mon Stu….even psychologists admit that Jesus' teachings are outstanding and pure and that if mankind actually lived by them, the world would be a wonderful place. So please, immoral was not a good choice.Quote But the god and the christ, they do not exist.
Yes they do Stu. Without a doubt.Quote We are both animals of the species homo sapiens, “wise men”.
Now now Stu…besides the above implied analogy of which i do not share, i am a moron remember.Quote Is it wisdom to build castles in the air then spend so much energy defending them, when this brief life has so much else to offer than castle defense would allow time for?
Stu, i have indulged in many things in this life…i was in rock bands playing in pubs for 12 years and all that goes with it for one example…i realized that nothing on offer held any more appeal to me….God however….God has given me all that i need or want from here on…i am finally content and fulfilled, of which the worlds offerings could never accomplish within me. If that disgusts you, too bad.Quote We are susceptible to delusions, they are the byproducts of our evolution.
We? Our? Delusions? Evolution!! No no Stu, please don't include me…my ancestors were all human…but i understand why you said what you said Stu:Quote We are susceptible to delusions
Because evolution is your adopted delusion.Quote they are the byproducts of our evolution.
We did not evolve Stu.Quote It is wisdom to understand that and compensate.
In that case, when are you going to finally compensate and accept God?
Quote Given the desperation in your voice, so to speak, I think you might be here to test your faith to see if it is really worth anything to you. That seems to be common on websites like this.
No Stu, i got upset at seeing Christs sacrifice being belittled. He is very precious to me. And He suffered terribly…terribly.Quote We have seen some of the misrepresentations you have to tell yourself in order to keep believing. I guess if that is what your god wants from you then that is your business. But in that case I can’t see what there is about it that is worth worshiping.
Stu, i don't need to tell myself anything in order to believe. I believe wholeheartedly and sincerely. My faith is rock solid. Your faith is rock solid also. We at least have that in common for what its worth.Cheers.
Quote (journey42 @ June 01 2012,05:09) We know the events leading up to it in detail and perfect order.
What was the last big event, and what is the next big event? And how long until it happens?Quote (Devolution @ June 01 2012,19:28) We must be living in different realities. Wars are raging more than ever before … .
Yes, we are living in different realities. I am looking at the facts. You are filtering everything through your Christian world view. You expect things to get worse and worse until “Christ returns”, but that's not what is happening.
Murder rates and rape rates show a similar trend.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 05 2012,03:30) Quote (Devolution @ June 01 2012,19:28) We must be living in different realities. Wars are raging more than ever before … .
Yes, we are living in different realities. I am looking at the facts. You are filtering everything through your Christian world view. You expect things to get worse and worse until “Christ returns”, but that's not what is happening.Murder rates and rape rates show a similar trend.
Hi WhatIsTrue,Interesting. Notice the title of the graph?
It is speaking of casualties. With most engagements, since and besides WW2 and the several wars of the 50's – 60's, the trend has been one of “management”. Civilian casualties are frowned upon and armies must, for fear of foreign intervention/public opinion, manage civilian casualties carefully. Here is our drop in casualties reflected on your graph.Since Vietnam/Korea, wars have taken on a different approach. No longer are we seeing large armies amassed in concentrations slogging it out until the victor emerges from the bloodbath, instead we see a more tactical theater where small yet tactically significant skirmishes are the norm.
Here is a small part of one recent report to counter your claim:
New research by Professors Mark Harrison from the University of Warwick and Nikolaus Wolf from Humboldt University has revealed that between 1870 and 2001, the frequency of wars between states increased steadily by 2% a year on average. Between 1870 and 1913, the frequency of ‘pairwise’ conflicts (the numbers of pairs of countries involved in conflicts) increased on average by 6% per year. The frequency of wars increased by 17% per year in the period of the First and Second World Wars, and by 31% per year during the Cold War. In the 1990s, the frequency of wars between states rose by 36% per year.
Professor Mark Harrison explained how: ‘The number of conflicts has been rising on a stable trend. Because of two world wars, the pattern is obviously disturbed between 1914 and 1945 but remarkably, after 1945 the frequency of wars resumed its upward course on pretty much the same path as before 1913.’
As for murder and rape rates, if we are speaking of the USA & EU, then yes those rates have fallen. However, worldwide, the rates are still consistent with spikes both ways.
However many other crimes have increased greatly. There are many other ways to hurt people without needing to kill them. Yet murder is still murder, and any murder rate is too high in my opinion.As for your statement as to me expecting wars to get worse and worse until the end comes, you are incorrect. Maybe i should have been clearer, i apologize.
According to scripture, wars, though escalating at the moment, will eventually and forcefully (not just militarily, there's more than one way to skin a cat), be brought under control for a short time as a result of world unity under an emerging global cooperation between nations leading to world government led by one man.It is only when the world finally declares “Peace and Safety”, that sudden destruction will hit. The details i won't bother with here.
That is when all hell will break loose, leading up to a massive confrontation which will be interrupted by the appearing of Christ's sign in the heavens.
This light that will appear will be interpreted by the worlds forces as an alien threat which will unite mankind, instantly stopping the massive and growing war so as to unite them to fight the common threat, not realizing it is Jesus and His angels they are engaging.
Then the bulk of the worlds armies will be destroyed in one place, Megiddo aka Armageddon.This is the beginning of the rapidly approaching end of mankinds rule over this planet once and for all. And i welcome it wholeheartedly.
No more slaving everyday just to eat for unjust wages, if you're lucky enough to have a job. No more bill after bill after bill. No more needing mans permission to do this or that without clearance as though they themselves own the whole damn planet like gods. No more struggling to pay rent, no more take take take until we have nothing left. No more unable to buy overpriced housing etc etc etc.With God it is give give give. And if you are with Him, then you become joint owner of all creation, and true freedom will kick in like we have never experienced. What i am attracted to the most, is the promise of the eventual end of evil. No more suffering for anyone. My heart breaks at hearing of all the evil crimes, especially helpless children being hurt. I find it hard to listen to the reports.
All will eventually become family, no more evil and no more death anymore. True peace will reign. This is what i love. I hate people hurting each other, physically or other.
And to witness what glorious things God will create thereafter.So my reasons are not selfish for wanting eternal life, but to share eternal life with billions of others who desire the same things…wondering at the glorious creations God no doubt will create for every bodies benefit/joy in peace and harmony where respect and love for others is tantamount.
Quote (princess @ June 04 2012,02:05) Quote Have all of you forgotten the MANY stories of self sacrifices that have occurred worldwide for thousands of years? Have you just thrown aside all the other gods that have done the same as yours? So by what you are saying as long as one chooses a god that has sacrificed then all is well?
Quote How soldiers have given their lives to save their fellows? All who hear these stories honor the soldier for his bravery and self sacrifice. How a father/mother have given their lives to save their children in tragic circumstances? All who hear these stories honor the parents for their bravery and self sacrifice.
How strangers have come to the aid of others at risk of their own lives, and many have died in these scenarios. All who hear honor the stranger for his ultimate sacrifice etc etc etc etcYou are the one dishonoring the ones that have given their lives, they did not ask humanity to worship them for such. These people did not wake up that day and say yeah I think I will give my life today to save another, they don't ask that the blood they shed to cover humanity for their sins.
Do you understand it was not planned, prophecied or no prayer was given for the cup to be withdrawn. You want humanity to give honor and respect to a god that causes such to have to give their life for you to even be able to worship this god. Ironic isn't it.Your comparison is found to be lacking and foolish, should one expect more from such as yourself, no. Due to it reflects the same with your belief system.
I would be more then willing to go and repeat what I just said to any veteran or soilder, and then you do the same and let's see who comes away with a set.
You know nothing of sacrifice, you only know what you have been force feed and when you became used to eating your own vomit you spew it out to others and tell them it is a feast.
Princess,The subject was about you guys mocking the sacrifice that Jesus made. Mocking God for giving His Son as said sacrifice. It is there in print what you and others called and mocked His selfless act…and it was deplorable to mock His terrible treatment and death so offhandedly and eagerly.
My point was not foolish at all. I never said soldiers wake up and plan to go and die for their mates.
Nations send/sacrifice these men for multiple reasons, why don't you do some research into the real reasons for many of histories wars…it all has to do with glory/power/control and greed for the ruling elites…not this good v's evil crap spoon fed to the sheeples.
The soldiers that do sacrifice their lives to save their mates in the heat of battle is relevant to my point against yours and others mockings of Jesus' sacrifice….that many soldiers and others besides, have and still do SACRIFICE themselves to save others….it is the SAME concept behind my point, that sacrifices others make are applauded and honored, yet Jesus' sacrifice is mocked.
And in reality, Jesus' sacrifice wasn't really a sacrifice in the manner you guys are perceiving it…it was actually murder.
A murder both God and Jesus knew was coming…but God still sent His Son, who came willingly in that knowledge mind you, to preach salvation and hope and to reveal that evil is assuredly at work in this world and will oppose such goodness by any means at their disposal.And in that knowledge that His Son would be murdered, and allowing His Son to fulfill that ministry in the face of the inevitable outcome, therein is the sacrifice. Sending Him in the knowledge that He would be murdered.
Yet it had to be this way. For if we Christians are to be mocked, hated, rejected, persecuted and killed for following Him, then it is only fitting that our Lord also taste that tribulation too.
Since and because we are persecuted for His Namesake, He also, so righteously and selflessly, tasted pain and sorrow and fear in like manner, so that He too, can and does relate to our suffering in a purely personal way and on every level, having Himself being unjustly subject to it.He was our example. That if the world would mock/curse/disrespect and eventually kill Him for preaching love and compassion and pointing out hypocrisies in the face of retribution by said hypocrites, that they that practice such things, and all the powers that be who without a doubt practice such things daily, would kill us also to keep their wicked ways alive.
Jesus was murdered because He was exposing the true darkness at work in this world. The evil that is at work covertly, the evil in high places both physical and spiritual, working together for selfish gain in the physical, and the goal of eventual genocide of mankind by the evil spiritual powers that be, of which, are for now, permitted to operate for a specific purpose.
But once that purpose is fulfilled, which is nearing it's graduation, that evil will eventually and forever be destroyed after one more lesson that will last 1000 years.
And all the many paths that lead to evil will have been exposed, and all who thereafter live eternally will know without a doubt that God is no dictator, nor a control freak, that everything He says is indeed for our benefit and out of love, for He is showing us all how easy it is for evil to be born when wrong choices and mind sets are adopted by individuals, how it so easily spreads to contaminate others. He is showing us that His rules have very real reasons behind them…that evil is so easily within the powers of self aware “beings” that we must be aware of our every action..and He knows all the paths evil takes and is born from…His rules and ways show us how to avoid evils snare, not because He is a control freak, but because He knows how evil is born. It is the price of “self awareness” on the level we are to attain.For evil comes in many many forms of which all need to be aware, and God will not tolerate evil anymore when it is time for His human children to join the spiritual family. Evil will eventually have an end…and that end will be for ever.
I know this sounds preposterous to you, but it is true.
Quote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,01:30) Quote That statement makes little sense either. Maybe if you didn’t end it with a preposition it might be more cogent.
The statement made perfect sense. You are just being cocky.
It may have made sense to those used to religious platitudes…Quote He is more than a mere “anonymous person from history” of which you are well aware. This one man has influenced the world more than any other person that has walked this planet. Nice try.
The mythology of Jesus has been the influence, in the same way that it could be the mythology of Socrates that also has influenced thinking. It is not reasonable to claim to know what the historical Jesus actually did or said.Quote Again, you are just being cocky. You know very well what i meant. You are obviously one for whom conscience is a burden, only to be used selectively and sparingly.
I stand by my statement. It is a serious mistake on your part to claim sacrifice is great, when those who claim god is great before sacrificing themselves also take out people in a market square in Basra.Quote Yet you speak with authority on a subject you know nothing about huh!! How clever.
I am not claiming to speak with authority on the subject of what Jesus said or did, I am telling you it is not reasonable to claim that. It is you who claims absolute knowledge where you clearly cannot have that knowledge.Quote You'd call over two billion followers insignificant would you Stu…obviously math is not your thing.
It is dishonest of you to take that out of context. Putting it back into context it says this:[box]In the case of christianity, the leader of an insignificant cult was allegedly executed by the Romans for sedition at the insistence of the Jews. This is not about sacrifice for others, it is essentially about Judean politics under Roman occupancy and the invention of a face-saving messianic story that was invented for political reasons.[/box]
…which is a correct representation of christianity in the First Century CE.Quote Allegedly? I suggest you do some research and you will find secular records of that event. Nice try.
Please cite them then. I think you will find that all the non-christian references are written by authors recording what christians told them. There is no eyewitness account of Jesus in existence, and the only descriptions that claim knowledge of what he did or said are in the new testament.Stu: It is essentially about Judean politics under Roman occupancy and the invention of a face-saving messianic story that was invented for political reasons.
Quote Now that is the stupidest thing i have heard in a while..oh wait a minute, no it's not, i read your other various replies not long ago.
So you have nothing against what I wrote then, apart from an ad hominem argument.Quote C'mon Stu….even psychologists admit that Jesus' teachings are outstanding and pure and that if mankind actually lived by them, the world would be a wonderful place. So please, immoral was not a good choice.
They’re not really Jesus’s teachings though. There is, arguably one moral good in the gospels, amongst all the immorality, and that is Matthew 7:12. But Confucius did the golden rule better, and 500 years earlier than Jesus.Quote Yes they do Stu. Without a doubt.
No, they do not. With little doubt your god does not exist.Quote Stu, i have indulged in many things in this life…i was in rock bands playing in pubs for 12 years and all that goes with it for one example…i realized that nothing on offer held any more appeal to me….God however….God has given me all that i need or want from here on…i am finally content and fulfilled, of which the worlds offerings could never accomplish within me. If that disgusts you, too bad.
It is not a matter of disgust, it is a matter of resignation to the fact that some people will satisfy themselves with an immoral religion that they prop up by telling lies, as you do. If you think that is the apex of the achievement of your species, then I think you are entirely wrong.Quote We? Our? Delusions? Evolution!! No no Stu, please don't include me…my ancestors were all human…but i understand why you said what you said Stu:
That is just wrong. Your ancestors were not all human. There is no other way of putting it really.Quote Because evolution is your adopted delusion.
It doesn’t qualify under the definition of delusion sorry. Imaginary Friends do qualify.Quote In that case, when are you going to finally compensate and accept God?
That would be to ignore the biases we know we have. A mindless assertion.But another reason is the god you worship, even if it did exist is a sadist and a tyrant, and I should be asking you to join me in forming an army to oppose its violence. But the reason I am not doing that is because it isn’t really there. It is makebelieve.
Quote No Stu, i got upset at seeing Christs sacrifice being belittled. He is very precious to me. And He suffered terribly…terribly.
And you stuffed all your sins into that goat and drove it off a cliff. You have a bizarre sense of what is precious.Quote Stu, i don't need to tell myself anything in order to believe. I believe wholeheartedly and sincerely. My faith is rock solid. Your faith is rock solid also. We at least have that in common for what its worth.
I don’t have faith. I don’t do things without evidence. You do. That is a fundamental difference. I don’t respect your commitment, it does not ring true to me. You seem to have to lie to yourself about the facts of history in order to sustain this belief. That makes it a crock.Stuart
Quote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,12:40) As for murder and rape rates, if we are speaking of the USA & EU, then yes those rates have fallen. However, worldwide, the rates are still consistent with spikes both ways.
However many other crimes have increased greatly. There are many other ways to hurt people without needing to kill them. Yet murder is still murder, and any murder rate is too high in my opinion.
You were given statistics, and you reply with assertions of what you reckon.Can you support your argument with actual data?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 05 2012,16:25) Quote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,01:30) He is more than a mere “anonymous person from history” of which you are well aware. This one man has influenced the world more than any other person that has walked this planet. Nice try.
The mythology of Jesus has been the influence, in the same way that it could be the mythology of Socrates that also has influenced thinking. It is not reasonable to claim to know what the historical Jesus actually did or said.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Eyewitness testimony is more than reasonable to consider,
Judges make decisions based on eyewitness testimony all the time.
Matthew, John and Peter all had a personal relationship with Jesus of Nazareth.As a matter of fact James and Jude were Jesus' brothers,
surely their testimony should be considered historically accurate!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Stuart,
You say things all the time “Proving” just how ignorant you really are.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ June 05 2012,16:25) Quote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,01:30) Again, you are just being cocky. You know very well what i meant. You are obviously one for whom conscience is a burden, only to be used selectively and sparingly.
I stand by my statement. It is a serious mistake on your part to claim sacrifice is great, when those who claim god is great before sacrificing themselves also take out people in a market square in Basra.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Martyrdom and death by suicide bombing are two very different things,
are you really as ignorant as the misguided muslims to believe they are the same thing?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,01:30) You'd call over two billion followers insignificant would you Stu…obviously math is not your thing.
Hi Devolution,Ain't that the truth!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 05 2012,17:03) Quote (Stu @ June 05 2012,16:25) Quote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,01:30) He is more than a mere “anonymous person from history” of which you are well aware. This one man has influenced the world more than any other person that has walked this planet. Nice try.
The mythology of Jesus has been the influence, in the same way that it could be the mythology of Socrates that also has influenced thinking. It is not reasonable to claim to know what the historical Jesus actually did or said.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Eyewitness testimony is more that reasonable to consider,
Judges make decisions based on eyewitness testimony all the time.
Matthew, John and Peter all had a personal relationship with Jesus of Nazareth.As a matter of fact James and Jude were Jesus' brothers,
surely their testimony should be considered historically accurate!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Where did any of these people write down what they saw?Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2012,17:12) Quote (Devolution @ June 05 2012,01:30) You'd call over two billion followers insignificant would you Stu…obviously math is not your thing.
Hi Devolution,Ain't that the truth!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Did you read my reply to Devolution on this point?Clearly reading isn't your thing.
Stuart
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