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Quote (TimothyVI @ May 31 2012,22:39) Christians seem to have a narcissistic need to feel like very special little snowflakes,
They can see things that other people can't see, they are on special long wavelengths while,
everyone else is on short wavelengths.
They can hear God while non Christians are deaf to his voice.However their selfish, conceited, egocentric, psyche could never be assuaged until they knew that God himself, the very creator of the entire universe, had himself killed just for them.
Very sad,
Tim
Tim.v1Sad indeed on your part,but great news for us believers.
As I said before,your wave length is short,you can not see too far. just work, eat, sleep, fun, cry over and over day in and day out untill the heart stopped beating,and its all for what. What is the purpose of your life? no purpose.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2012,05:33) You are a secular person,anything that your eyes can not see,is not there.This is a very shallow view of the universe,a very cocky attitude.
I have never said any such thing. I am open to anything for which there is evidence. If there's no evidence for something, why should I believe it?Quote We have the brain,we have created great things.But to self destruct. Who is more likely to destroy this world? People who believe that this is the one life that we know we have and would like to live it to the fullest, or people who think that this world is a “filthy rag” compared to the afterlife that awaits them?
If this world gets destroyed, it will be at the hands of religious nuts who are anxious for the end times.
By the way, I am willing to bet that you are one of those people who thinks that the end is near. My guess is that you think that this world deserves to be destroyed. (Even if that's not the case, there are many Christians who think this way.) Can you not see how this is the very attitude that will end up killing us all?
Quote And to make peace we dont know,to feed the poor we dont know. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer,This is the result of your so called intelligent world. As I pointed out in a different thread, we are, in fact, more peaceful than we have ever been. Additionally, there are more “rich” people in this world than there have ever been. (Do you have any idea how much more prevalent starvation used to be around the globe?) And, yes, it's due to secular knowledge that we have gained.
Quote We dont need God attitude.What hapened to previous great empires,where are they? You will destroy yoursleves,just as sodom and gomorah,destroyed because of evil works,and sinful living. See above about self-destruction. While empires have risen and fallen over time, society, in general, continues to move forward. Great empires are not the mark of a great society. (In fact, I would argue that the opposite is true. The bigger the empire, the more likely that is an oppressive one.) Great societies are marked by how well the common man lives. To that end, society has continued to get better and better.
Quote You are in short wave and I am in long wave. You are on the short bus. I am in Long Johns. Your turn.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 01 2012,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2012,05:33) You are a secular person,anything that your eyes can not see,is not there.This is a very shallow view of the universe,a very cocky attitude.
I have never said any such thing. I am open to anything for which there is evidence. If there's no evidence for something, why should I believe it?Quote We have the brain,we have created great things.But to self destruct. Who is more likely to destroy this world? People who believe that this is the one life that we know we have and would like to live it to the fullest, or people who think that this world is a “filthy rag” compared to the afterlife that awaits them?
If this world gets destroyed, it will be at the hands of religious nuts who are anxious for the end times.
By the way, I am willing to bet that you are one of those people who thinks that the end is near. My guess is that you think that this world deserves to be destroyed. (Even if that's not the case, there are many Christians who think this way.) Can you not see how this is the very attitude that will end up killing us all?
Quote And to make peace we dont know,to feed the poor we dont know. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer,This is the result of your so called intelligent world. As I pointed out in a different thread, we are, in fact, more peaceful than we have ever been. Additionally, there are more “rich” people in this world than there have ever been. (Do you have any idea how much more prevalent starvation used to be around the globe?) And, yes, it's due to secular knowledge that we have gained.
Quote We dont need God attitude.What hapened to previous great empires,where are they? You will destroy yoursleves,just as sodom and gomorah,destroyed because of evil works,and sinful living. See above about self-destruction. While empires have risen and fallen over time, society, in general, continues to move forward. Great empires are not the mark of a great society. (In fact, I would argue that the opposite is true. The bigger the empire, the more likely that is an oppressive one.) Great societies are marked by how well the common man lives. To that end, society has continued to get better and better.
Quote You are in short wave and I am in long wave. You are on the short bus. I am in Long Johns. Your turn.
What is trueI am one of those who believe the end is near.
You can't put all christians into the same basket, just like we can't put all atheists into the same basket. Many of us were atheists before we came to believe.Many wars have been started from religion. False religion. You cannot mix politics and religion. This type of power corrupts. It has been proven. Our purpose is not to wish the destruction on mankind, but we have found out not through going to church and singing hyms,(lip service) but actually studying the scriptures in depth and that there are prophesies revealed to us. Not just us, but to anyone who is interested enough to find out. We can't change what is going to happen, we can only warn men that the judge is coming, and we know exactly how it is going to happen. We know the events leading up to it in detail and perfect order. It will not be christians doing the evil work, but wicked men in high places. Men in politics. Men that cause the economy to collapse, and those same men who pave the way for a so called resolution to this problem. We know exactly where the trouble will stir, and it is happening right now, brewing, and we know this from the scriptures written two thousand years ago.
Love is not to wish ill on our neighbour, but to inform them that hard times are around the corner, and not to be deceived. There is a deliverer, and everything that will take place will be for the benefit of man, although it will seem bad at the time, but the end result will be amazing, and peace will not come, until the prince of peace comes. then you will see the difference.
I can give prophesies for you to look up if you like, they give a very clear picture.
Quote (journey42 @ June 01 2012,10:09) We know exactly where the trouble will stir, and it is happening right now, brewing, and we know this from the scriptures written two thousand years ago.
Correction, prophesied 2,000 years even before Christ came.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 01 2012,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2012,05:33) You are a secular person,anything that your eyes can not see,is not there.This is a very shallow view of the universe,a very cocky attitude.
I have never said any such thing. I am open to anything for which there is evidence. If there's no evidence for something, why should I believe it?Quote We have the brain,we have created great things.But to self destruct. Who is more likely to destroy this world? People who believe that this is the one life that we know we have and would like to live it to the fullest, or people who think that this world is a “filthy rag” compared to the afterlife that awaits them?
If this world gets destroyed, it will be at the hands of religious nuts who are anxious for the end times.
By the way, I am willing to bet that you are one of those people who thinks that the end is near. My guess is that you think that this world deserves to be destroyed. (Even if that's not the case, there are many Christians who think this way.) Can you not see how this is the very attitude that will end up killing us all?
Quote And to make peace we dont know,to feed the poor we dont know. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer,This is the result of your so called intelligent world. As I pointed out in a different thread, we are, in fact, more peaceful than we have ever been. Additionally, there are more “rich” people in this world than there have ever been. (Do you have any idea how much more prevalent starvation used to be around the globe?) And, yes, it's due to secular knowledge that we have gained.
Quote We dont need God attitude.What hapened to previous great empires,where are they? You will destroy yoursleves,just as sodom and gomorah,destroyed because of evil works,and sinful living. See above about self-destruction. While empires have risen and fallen over time, society, in general, continues to move forward. Great empires are not the mark of a great society. (In fact, I would argue that the opposite is true. The bigger the empire, the more likely that is an oppressive one.) Great societies are marked by how well the common man lives. To that end, society has continued to get better and better.
Quote You are in short wave and I am in long wave. You are on the short bus. I am in Long Johns. Your turn.
Whatistrue.The true teachings of Christ is peace,and love your neighbour,not war. But many so called followers have become equally yoked with the world,these are the hypocrites,and the war mongers.
Science and technology if used for good,is exellent.
But unfortunately it is always used for greed,and oppressing others.Man talk peace.but in the heart is a sword ready to trush through.
One can not blame Jesus and God for mans behaviour.
For man has done harm to them selves.
The God fearing will keep themselves away from evil.wakeup.
WhatIsTrue,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Who is more likely to destroy this world? People who believe that this is the one life that we know we have and would like to live it to the fullest, or people who think that this world is a “filthy rag” compared to the afterlife that awaits them?
Well the unbelievers of course!(speaking of the ruling elites and their ilk, not Joe average)
Look at the damage already done in the name of “progress” aka greed..Natural habitats destroyed daily..fertile lands forever destroyed by mining or now delegated for the sole purpose of growing bio fuels..animal extinction at levels never seen before..many species on the brink of extinction..fresh water being depleted world wide..”bread bowls” becoming “dust bowls” as a result..oceans raped to the point of collapse..depopulation plans by the non believing elite calling for the murder of billions of people..endless wars for the military industrial elites..the list goes on..
No mankind doesn't need religious nuts to do us all in, non believing powers that be are doing the job just fine..albeit, slower and more painfully.Quote By the way, I am willing to bet that you are one of those people who thinks that the end is near. My guess is that you think that this world deserves to be destroyed. (Even if that's not the case, there are many Christians who think this way.) Can you not see how this is the very attitude that will end up killing us all?
As long as one innocent little child is in danger of the countless crimes we read about…then yes…this world SYSTEM and it's devolving morals with it's anything goes catch cry must be destroyed and forcibly replaced and sanity restored.Quote As I pointed out in a different thread, we are, in fact, more peaceful than we have ever been. Additionally, there are more “rich” people in this world than there have ever been. (Do you have any idea how much more prevalent starvation used to be around the globe?) And, yes, it's due to secular knowledge that we have gained.
We must be living in different realities. Wars are raging more than ever before, murders and rapes and thefts and muggings and all manner of crimes are prevalent with even young children committing heinous acts unlike ever before!
Starvation has been eased by and because of the work of Christian organizations like the red cross etc…governments taking the cue from these organizations who brought the worlds attention to this peril in the first place.
Secular Western knowledge exploded because of the very Christians who invented science in the first place leading to all manner of advances. Not even Dawkins refutes that truth. Evolutionists merely hijacked a once honorable practice.
Notice how Christians were the very founders of many of the things non believers have hijacked and now take credit for?
Ironic.Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2012,04:15) Waiting for the scrifice of someone?
We were not waiting for the sacrifice of anybody, we are GIVEN THAT SACRIFICE.,because God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten son to be sacrificed.God proved to us that he loves us first.
You can not discus spiritual things using your secular knowledge. These are two different wavelengths.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,It is your belief that God is all powerful . As such he has the ability that the rest of us never have to get a dead son back whenever he so chooses. A choice all of us would likely make if we lost a child.
Since the son in question did not die, but after having a bad weekend, rose to take a position of eternal dominion and bliss, ruling the universe at the right hand of the father… the god in question did not “give” us anything. At best he “lent” us a son.
Finally given the son again did not die but went on to an eternal life of dominion and bliss, then he did not “sacrifice” anything. He engaged in a really good trade, and one that very few of us would not take if offered.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ June 02 2012,23:15) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2012,04:15) Waiting for the scrifice of someone?
We were not waiting for the sacrifice of anybody, we are GIVEN THAT SACRIFICE.,because God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten son to be sacrificed.God proved to us that he loves us first.
You can not discus spiritual things using your secular knowledge. These are two different wavelengths.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,It is your belief that God is all powerful . As such he has the ability that the rest of us never have to get a dead son back whenever he so chooses. A choice all of us would likely make if we lost a child.
Since the son in question did not die, but after having a bad weekend, rose to take a position of eternal dominion and bliss, ruling the universe at the right hand of the father… the god in question did not “give” us anything. At best he “lent” us a son.
Finally given the son again did not die but went on to an eternal life of dominion and bliss, then he did not “sacrifice” anything. He engaged in a really good trade, and one that very few of us would not take if offered.
Tim
Timothv1.I can see where you are coming from;This was my question also at first, but now I can understand how it works.
The majority can not understand who Jesus realy is,for Jesus said this.No one knows who the son is but the father, and no one knows who the father is but the son, and whom the son will revael him.
This is a mystery that many can never understand; this is why they have introduced the doctrine of the trinity,trying to explain it,but it only gets more confusing.
God said in isiah; there is no saviour beside me.
Is there a God beside me? no there is no God.
Here is a little clue; John1:1.—the word was God—-
verse14. And the word was made flesh and dwelleth amongst us.God created everything by his word,and his word was made flesh by Jesus birth.
The word is from everlasting; the day the word was made flesh is the day he was born human,and that baby was Gods son,For God is his father,and he was crucified, to open the door to God through him only.
Today,because of his sacrifice,many has come to God through him.wakeup.
Quote (TimothyVI @ June 02 2012,23:15) It is your belief that God is all powerful . As such he has the ability that the rest of us never have to get a dead son back whenever he so chooses. A choice all of us would likely make if we lost a child. Since the son in question did not die, but after having a bad weekend, rose to take a position of eternal dominion and bliss, ruling the universe at the right hand of the father… the god in question did not “give” us anything. At best he “lent” us a son.
Finally given the son again did not die but went on to an eternal life of dominion and bliss, then he did not “sacrifice” anything. He engaged in a really good trade, and one that very few of us would not take if offered.
Tim
Hi TimThe Son did really die and three days later his Father rose him from the dead.
Jesus was our example. The pre-eminence. The firstborn of the dead. Jesus never said that following him would be easy.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 If we were of the world, the world would love it's own; but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you, out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also
John 15:21 But all these things they will do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash another's feet.
John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.So, we are not deceived, but it has been given to us straight, that if we want to follow Christ, we also must suffer tribulation, because we walk in his footsteps. The Message Christ gave is that a new kingdom is coming. Not all things will remain the same, but big changes will come. If we die with the spirit of God in us, then we will not die an empty shell, but this spirit is what is needed to be resurrected or quickened, then we will be raised up just like Christ was, with the same reward, everlasting life…. but at the appointed time.
Christ is not ruling yet, but will on his return. He will rule from Jerusalem on earth, according to the prophesies, and not from heaven. The kingdom will be here in the land of Israel, but it's landscape will be changed,(bigger) and there will be nations existing outside that can come in to learn, and men can meet Christ face to face. You will hear his voice, and he will rule with a rod of iron. This will happen for a thousand years, and is called the millennium. Even most christians do not know this, the ones that don't read & search for themselves and just take for granted what the churches are telling them. When you finally find the truth, you will be blown away how different the scenario is from what the worldly churches are teaching. It will make sense if you are hungry for truth, and everything will fall into place.
It is our duty as God fearing christians, to serve you also with truth as Christ served us with it. If we preach lies, to make men fall, then our punishment will be greater than anyones, because we are here representing the truth, not a church, religion or cult. And don't just trust what we say, look it up for yourself. Don't think that you are not special in God eyes, or he doesn't care about your life, or if you loose a son, because he is a God of mercy. He is not a god of black and white, he sees the shades of grey in our lives. He has compassion. He sees our circumstances, how we've been treated in our life, how we've been hurt, and how the bitterness came about.
He's just waiting for us to take that first step to come to him, and he will show you his power and truth in ways you never thought possible.
So please don't knock it all down. Ask questions, seek. Make us prove what we are saying is written in the prophesies. Make us show you that there is mercy at Christ's return even to those who didn't believe or know him.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2012,02:07) Today,because of his sacrifice,many has come to God through him.
You say that as if it's a good thing.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 03 2012,15:48) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2012,02:07) Today,because of his sacrifice,many has come to God through him.
You say that as if it's a good thing.Stuart
Stu,Why are you and others harping on about Christ's sacrifice as though it is an abominable thing to mock and disrespect God for? It really makes no sense.
I really must point out all of your Christ mockers hypocrisy on this subject to your blind shame…
Have all of you forgotten the MANY stories of self sacrifices that have occurred worldwide for thousands of years?
How such sacrifices have been honored as the most honorable selfless gift possible?
How soldiers have given their lives to save their fellows? All who hear these stories honor the soldier for his bravery and self sacrifice.
How a father/mother have given their lives to save their children in tragic circumstances? All who hear these stories honor the parents for their bravery and self sacrifice.
How strangers have come to the aid of others at risk of their own lives, and many have died in these scenarios. All who hear honor the stranger for his ultimate sacrifice etc etc etc etc
Yet God, who loves His Son immensely, sent Him into a hopelessly sinful world, and told His Son what was needed to be done to redeem the world, of which His Son agreed, and laid down His own life as a sacrifice, not only for those He knew, but for strangers also, a most precious act of selflessness and courage…
And what is the response?
Is Christ honored like the soldier? NO.
Or the parent? NO.
Or the stranger? NO.What instead is directed at Christ and His Father?
Mocking and disrespect.Can you see the hypocrisy?
Maybe, since you all love to mock Christ for His selfless act, maybe you big shots, so brave and confident in your safe little bedrooms, such big men and women, maybe grow a couple, and go down to your nearest RSL and mock all the surviving soldiers about their dead fellows who sacrificed their lives for their mates,
Or to a funeral service of any strangers or parents who gave their lives for loved ones or complete strangers and see what happens to your disrespectful mouths.
Go on you big shots. You're all so big and tough on line huh, go and put your money where your mouth is. I bet your disrespectful comments will see you straight into the emergency ward, actually no it wouldn't…why? because you know deep down that any sacrifice laid down to save another is a brave and honorable act.
Something most of you lot would never have the brass monkeys to do.
So quit being hypocrites and stop disrespecting Jesus and His Father for such an honorable thing.
Otherwise, to stop being hypocritical, why don't yous start degrading soldiers too huh?
And parents whi gave their lives huh?
And all the friends and strangers who sacrificed their lives for others as well okay!
OKAY!!!All of your mindless hatred blinded all of you to this hypocrisy didn't it oh “smart ones”!!
Shame.Now now Devol,
You are going to hurt yourself stomping your
feet and waving your arms around like that.I can just sense the peace that Jesus brought to you
oozing from every pore.Tim
Quote (Devolution @ June 03 2012,19:18) Quote (Stu @ June 03 2012,15:48) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2012,02:07) Today,because of his sacrifice,many has come to God through him.
You say that as if it's a good thing.Stuart
Stu,Why are you and others harping on about Christ's sacrifice as though it is an abominable thing to mock and disrespect God for? It really makes no sense.
That statement makes little sense either. Maybe if you didn’t end it with a preposition it might be more cogent.Quote I really must point out all of your Christ mockers hypocrisy on this subject to your blind shame…
Christ mocker yes, the “christ” idea is an abomination for those with dodgy morals. Jesus mocker, no. I have no idea what Jesus did or said, so it would be ridiculous to pick on an anonymous person from history and mock him. The gospel writers have mocked Jesus enough already.Quote Have all of you forgotten the MANY stories of self sacrifices that have occurred worldwide for thousands of years? How such sacrifices have been honored as the most honorable selfless gift possible?
It depends. Would you place suicide bombers in the honourable category? Some would.Quote How soldiers have given their lives to save their fellows? All who hear these stories honor the soldier for his bravery and self sacrifice. How a father/mother have given their lives to save their children in tragic circumstances? All who hear these stories honor the parents for their bravery and self sacrifice. How strangers have come to the aid of others at risk of their own lives, and many have died in these scenarios. All who hear honor the stranger for his ultimate sacrifice etc etc etc etc Yet God, who loves His Son immensely, sent Him into a hopelessly sinful world, and told His Son what was needed to be done to redeem the world, of which His Son agreed, and laid down His own life as a sacrifice, not only for those He knew, but for strangers also, a most precious act of selflessness and courage… And what is the response? Is Christ honored like the soldier? NO. Or the parent? NO. Or the stranger? NO. What instead is directed at Christ and His Father? Mocking and disrespect. Can you see the hypocrisy?
In the West we send people off to war to save our way of life or uphold human rights. At least that is the usual story. We also fight wars over resources, and we often give human rights as the excuse for a war over resources.But, the “christ sacrifice” concept is entirely different, and your analogy is a stupid one. In the case of christianity, the leader of an insignificant cult was allegedly executed by the Romans for sedition at the insistence of the Jews. This is not about sacrifice for others, it is essentially about Judean politics under Roman occupancy and the invention of a face-saving messianic story that was invented for political reasons.
You call it a selfless act, but it is the selfish mythology of a nasty religious sect. You don’t care about your fellow humans, all you really care about is the fantasy “eternal existence” that you think you will get through piling your sins into a human sacrifice, a cowardly act of scapegoating.
Christianity is a totalitarian belief system. My relatives of a past generation went as soldiers to Europe and Africa to fight fascist totalitarianism, and I am grateful for their sacrifice which allows me the freedoms I enjoy today. You would rather we were under a jackboot, that of the christian belief system that says there is only one way to get the big prize, although we aren’t going to prove to you that it exists.
Rather, “arbeit macht frei”, the sick lie of the Third Reich.
As you may know, that is what the Jews read over their heads as they were brought to any of the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. In a strange kind of way it is also what you wish for: you work all your life for an illusion you call the afterlife with your god; you think everyone should; there is no actual reward it is all a brutal con, actually it’s just humans attempting to control other humans.
I am not mocking things that exist, it is not my intent to mock you either. I do mock the silly ideas you carry in your head, because they are both ridiculous and immoral. But the god and the christ, they do not exist.
We are both animals of the species homo sapiens, “wise men”. Is it wisdom to build castles in the air then spend so much energy defending them, when this brief life has so much else to offer than castle defense would allow time for? We are susceptible to delusions, they are the byproducts of our evolution. It is wisdom to understand that and compensate.
Given the desperation in your voice, so to speak, I think you might be here to test your faith to see if it is really worth anything to you. That seems to be common on websites like this.
We have seen some of the misrepresentations you have to tell yourself in order to keep believing. I guess if that is what your god wants from you then that is your business. But in that case I can’t see what there is about it that is worth worshiping.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
I control no one, and no one controls me.
I have tried to show you the “Proof of God”,
but you've scoffed because the proof means
you were wrong about assumptions of no God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,23:51) Hi Stuart, I control no one, and no one controls me.
I have tried to show you the “Proof of God”,
but you've scoffed because the proof means
you were wrong about assumptions of no God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Your “proof” is a mathematical failure. And you have never completed the statement “There must be a god because…” using any logical link to your numerology.I will be convinced by evidence. You don't have evidence, you have cherry-picking.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 04 2012,00:05) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,23:51) Hi Stuart, I control no one, and no one controls me.
I have tried to show you the “Proof of God”,
but you've scoffed because the proof means
you were wrong about assumptions of no God.God bless
Ed J
Your “proof” is a mathematical failure. And you have never completed the statement “There must be a god because…” using any logical link to your numerology.I will be convinced by evidence. You don't have evidence, you have cherry-picking.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,God certainly exists because: there is overwhelming mathematical
statistical certainty documented by my research into the “AKJV Bible”.
Documentation showing “Gods Signature” was encoded into his word.Research that you refuse to consider when you say no (according to Stuart) God exists.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Stuart, do you call illustrating the evidence 'cherry-picking'?
God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)“Jesus Christ”(151) was “The Testator”(151): “Jesus”(74) remediated our
Testament with “GOD”(26); and “Testament”(117) in Greek is “Diatheke”(63).“Testament”=117 in Greek is “Diatheke”= 63.
Jesus death on the cross remediated our “Testament”=117 with GOD; יהוה האלהים=117(JEHOVAH GOD). (Jer.31:31-34)
“The Testator”=151 was “Jesus Christ”=151
(Heb.9:15-17: For this cause He (Jesus) is the mediator of the New Testament, that by means of death, for
the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first (Old) Testament, that they which are called
might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a Testament is, there must also of necessity
be the death of “The Testator”=151. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of
NO STRENGTH AT ALL WHILE THE TESTATOR LIVES.) “Jesus Christ”=151 was “The Testator”=151.“Fruit”(74) equals “Jesus”(74)
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat (emphasizing Jesus=74)
fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die, it brings forth much “fruit”=74.John 16:7: Nevertheless I (Jesus=74) tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit=151) will not come unto you; but if I depart,
I will send the [God Spirit=117] unto you. (that's because: “YHVH GOD is One”=151)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Have all of you forgotten the MANY stories of self sacrifices that have occurred worldwide for thousands of years? Have you just thrown aside all the other gods that have done the same as yours? So by what you are saying as long as one chooses a god that has sacrificed then all is well?
Quote How soldiers have given their lives to save their fellows? All who hear these stories honor the soldier for his bravery and self sacrifice. How a father/mother have given their lives to save their children in tragic circumstances? All who hear these stories honor the parents for their bravery and self sacrifice.
How strangers have come to the aid of others at risk of their own lives, and many have died in these scenarios. All who hear honor the stranger for his ultimate sacrifice etc etc etc etcYou are the one dishonoring the ones that have given their lives, they did not ask humanity to worship them for such. These people did not wake up that day and say yeah I think I will give my life today to save another, they don't ask that the blood they shed to cover humanity for their sins.
Do you understand it was not planned, prophecied or no prayer was given for the cup to be withdrawn. You want humanity to give honor and respect to a god that causes such to have to give their life for you to even be able to worship this god. Ironic isn't it.Your comparison is found to be lacking and foolish, should one expect more from such as yourself, no. Due to it reflects the same with your belief system.
I would be more then willing to go and repeat what I just said to any veteran or soilder, and then you do the same and let's see who comes away with a set.
You know nothing of sacrifice, you only know what you have been force feed and when you became used to eating your own vomit you spew it out to others and tell them it is a feast.
Quote (Stu @ June 03 2012,15:48) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2012,02:07) Today,because of his sacrifice,many has come to God through him.
You say that as if it's a good thing.Stuart
Stu.It is a good thing to the few only.
For many are called but a few chosen.
Jesus christ did good on earth,he was preaching good,no need to hate him.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2012,00:30) Hi Stuart, do you call illustrating the evidence 'cherry-picking'?
Huh? Illustrating the evidence??You don't know what evidence is, you don't understand cherry-picking, and you STILL have not completed your promise to end the statement “The proof there is a god is…”.
Not interested in your tedious nonsense. It is for idiots who buy conspiracy theory paperbacks in malls.
Stuart
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