At the 2nd coming .

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,19:38)

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 02 2013,17:28) because they are programming their followers, those who are genuine and seeking the truth, to accept the mark of the beast. For they say it is a spiritual mark, depending on who you worship, and has nothing to do with buying or selling (trade). I believe that it is a spiritual mark also. “Then I saw another beast which rose out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. It works great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of men; and by the signs which it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast, it deceives those who dwell on earth, bidding them make an image for the beast which was wounded by the sword and yet lived; and it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast should even speak, and to cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

To All,

יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

[2besee]

The Adventists teach the ten commandments.

Jesus taught the ten commandments.

'Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'

“Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea. “

[2besee]

The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,14:52)

Journey and Devo and Wakeup and T, and all, you do not follow the commandments of the Lord for you do not believe in baptism, as an example and teach others not to listen. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT BAPTISM IS NOT THE INVISIBLE SEAL OF GOD?

What part of the ten commandment ,can a true Christian follow???

Sins the law was made for sinners not for those who obey God and follow Christ ,they have stopped sining ,so the law does not apply to them,

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04)

The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED.

What time was cut short

[2besee]

2besee,Feb. wrote:

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Wakeup, Devo and Journey,

If Jesus said that those who teach the commandments of God will be called great in the kingdom of heaven, then do you think that Jesus was telling stories? So the Adventists who teach men to obey God's commandments are not saved according to you, and Jesus did not mean what He said, and the great crowd that no man could number was just an illusion?

I disagree with you.

[Ed J]

Hi 2Besee,

Not too long in the distant past, I inquired twice of the churches in my area.
One was “free will baptist” and the other was “assembly of God”.
But both seemed to want to put stipulations to baptism.

People will then say that you weren't baptized by the right bunch, so it doesn't count.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:10)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04) The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED. What time was cut short

Matthew 24,

[22] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
[23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.
[24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[25] Lo, I have told you beforehand.
[26] So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

I believe that time has/will be sped up (literally) but that is just my belief.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:12)

2besee,Feb. wrote: [/quote] Wakeup, Devo and Journey, If Jesus said that those who teach the commandments of God will be called great in the kingdom of heaven, then do you think that Jesus was telling stories? So the Adventists who teach men to obey God's commandments are not saved according to you, and Jesus did not mean what He said, and the great crowd that no man could number was just an illusion? I disagree with you.

2bee

Their will be no one saved as a group or church ,we all stand on our own before the throne of Christ ,to judged

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,20:08)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,14:52) Journey and Devo and Wakeup and T, and all, you do not follow the commandments of the Lord for you do not believe in baptism, as an example and teach others not to listen. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT BAPTISM IS NOT THE INVISIBLE SEAL OF GOD? What part of the ten commandment ,can a true Christian follow??? Sins the law was made for sinners not for those who obey God and follow Christ ,they have stopped sining ,so the law does not apply to them,

Hi Pierre,

You're talking in circles, but you are talking in the wrong circles.
Breaking the law proves that one is a sinner, so to say
they don't apply is to call oneself a sinner.

The remediation of the covenant with our God means: he has
now put into our hearts the desire to follow the commandments.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04) The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED. What time was cut short Matthew 24, [22] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. [23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. [24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] Lo, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. [28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. I believe that time has/will be sped up (literally) but that is just my belief.

So you mean the time of the end

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,22:14)

Hi 2Besee, Not too long in the distant past, I inquired twice of the churches in my area. One was “free will baptist” and the other was “assembly of God”. But both seemed to want to put stipulations to baptism. People will then say that you weren't baptized by the right bunch, so it doesn't count. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,
I heard that people can self baptize, I do not know if it is true though. Apparently the founder of the Anabaptist's self baptized himself.

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:23)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04) The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED. What time was cut short Matthew 24, [22] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. [23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. [24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] Lo, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. [28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. I believe that time has/will be sped up (literally) but that is just my belief. So you mean the time of the end

Yes, the time of the end.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:26)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:23) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04) The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED. What time was cut short Matthew 24, [22] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. [23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. [24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] Lo, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. [28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. I believe that time has/will be sped up (literally) but that is just my belief. So you mean the time of the end Yes, the time of the end.

Your scriptures you quoted shows that we will not see Christ but the effect of his coming to end this age ,right???

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:21)

2bee Their will be no one saved as a group or church ,we all stand on our own before the throne of Christ ,to judged

Yes I completely agree with this.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:21) 2bee Their will be no one saved as a group or church ,we all stand on our own before the throne of Christ ,to judged Yes I completely agree with this.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,18:47)

this is all of the saved which no man can number from every tribe (not the 12 tribes), nation, people and tongue who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb. Sorry to disappoint you.

2Besee.

You notice they have to go through great tribulation first.
And also they are not just of this generation,but of all genrations.

Many will say Lord,Lord did we not do this and that in your name;and he will say go away I dont know you.

Only the ones that truly hunger FOR THE TRUTH will make it.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,20:30)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:26) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:23) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04) The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED. What time was cut short Matthew 24, [22] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. [23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. [24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] Lo, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. [28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. I believe that time has/will be sped up (literally) but that is just my belief. So you mean the time of the end Yes, the time of the end. Your scriptures you quoted shows that we will not see Christ but the effect of his coming to end this age ,right???

Terra.

Not the end of this age,but the end of the woman;babylon the great the mother of harlots.

And the city of the nations FELL. They are no more.rev.16:19.

wakeup.

[Devolution]

2besee,Feb. wrote:

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2besee,

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..it seems that according to you three,

No according to the scriptures.

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every single person who has ever come to know God in times past and today were not in truth at all

Listen to what is being said.
They just did not have the WHOLE TRUTH for various reasons.
How much truth each had when they died still needs perfecting when they will be resurrected.
Because Satan changed himself into an angel of light and his devils into ministers of righteousness and oppressed the truth by corrupting it in the hearts of many many believers…this corruption started in the days of Paul.

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and will need to be retaught

Yes. You even posted the evidence in the scriptures you gave without even realising what you were posting.

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by (you?)

We hope to be worthy, we do not assume we are, we are expecting to have to die when the mark comes.

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sometime future despite there being seen before the throne of God a number too numerous to count from out of every tribe, tongue, nation and people.

Each man in his own order 2besee.
That group above WILL be resurrected as Spirit and help teach the restored flesh Jews in the soon to come RESTORED kingdom.
We only point out that the 144k are TAKEN UP TO CHRIST FIRST…then soon after all the dead IN CHRIST will join them with Christ in His kingdom.
See? We never said the 144k are the ONLY ONES!
But the FIRST.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,20:26)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:23) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,22:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,15:04) The battle is a spiritual one, and if the time is not cut short, then even the very elect could be DECEIVED. What time was cut short Matthew 24, [22] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. [23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. [24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] Lo, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. [28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. I believe that time has/will be sped up (literally) but that is just my belief. So you mean the time of the end Yes, the time of the end.

Hi Besee.

If all flesh will not be saved without the coming?
Then why is that; if this is Christ's kingdom?
Why does he need to come to save his kingdom? Is he not in charge of his kingdom from heaven?

wakeup.

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