Asceticism

[NickHassan]

Hi,
CA has offered us several examples of folk putting themselves through various forms of misery as if it was a new way of salvation. Doubts and guilt are common burdens of the unsaved as our hearts are more aware than our vain minds of our state before God. So every carnal religion all around the world attempts in one way or another to offer ways of suffering to attempt to expiate our own sins.

But it is all uselessness and the way of Jesus still beams forth hope to all who dare to step outside their religious prisons and listen to it.

Jesus told us those who wanted to save their own life would lose it.
Col 2.20 also offers advice in this area.

There is no sacrifice men can offer that is greater than Jesus has already done for us so we need to be joined with him. Either trust in his works or waste our lives attempting our own. Those who refuse his offer from God remain under the wrath of God.[Jn3]

[bodhitharta]

Some seem to be a bit confused about religion itself. and Protestant, Catholic or for that reason any other denomination or religion does not make a person transcend self importance in-fact self-flagellation for the sake of a goal is very egotistical.

Any talk of the ego or self at all is egotistical.

You see most people who seek to be religous are afraid to connect to God directly as this can be seen from the Bible itself when God wanted to address all the children of Israel but they were so frightened they told Moses to approach God by himself and since then and in every other scripture of any other religion you have those who despite the fear embrace God and receive a high quality connection

Jesus said about priests that they have the key to the kingdom of God and they don't go in and they don't allow others to go in as well.

Religion is an action of information that creates a common unity. The scriptures themself are only there to IN-Form God in you so that God can be In-formation within you to Form a Common Unity or Communion and this is true communication.

We become versed in common unity through the establishment of relationships with family, spouses, neighbors and even pets and still further to strangers and as we develop spiritually and understand the relative differences in all these types of Love we can with application transcend self-importance, now someone might have said long ago to “hate yourself” but really isn't that the same level of importance as one loving oneself to the exclusion of others to “hate yourself” you would have to place a very high value on that instead I suggest you lose your self-importance and become worthless to your self and priceless to others.

Now when you see “worthless” there is no negative connotation to it, it simply means no self-assignment of value but when you look at your Mother or your spouse you can see them as priceless because you are truly paying attention to them and not worried about your self.

When you release yourself of importance then you can empty your cup of love completely and God can fill your cup up as you would become priceless to God, hence your cup runneth over but if you cling to the value of self it would become stagnant like a stale cup of water inviting nothing but sickness,despair and depression.

Express LOve, Express Compassion Express Mercy this is the cure to de-pression

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So much for the world's teachings.
You must be reborn from above.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,12:35)

Hi BD, So much for the world's teachings. You must be reborn from above.

Yes, let me ask you do you believe that you should not demonstrate that you are born above? Do you believe that only quoting the Bible is the way to develop?

When someone talks to you about God do you not let The Holy Spirit have its way with you and speak from the Soul?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
No this is not fruit.
Just pointing the way for those who are interested.
Most are not preferring their own religions and philosophies but God always takes a small crop.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,13:01)

Hi BD, No this is not fruit. Just pointing the way for those who are interested. Most are not preferring their own religions and philosophies but God always takes a small crop.

Let your light reflect in your what you express, if you have not love you know not God

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Should we love false religions?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,13:14)

Hi BD, Should we love false religions?

There is no such thing as “false religion” either someone is being religious or not, the orphan that gets fed or the widow that is assisted whoever does these things are being religous and whoever refrains from righteous actions are not religious.

James 1:26-27 (King James Version)

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

It doesn't say don't call yourself Catholic, Muslim, Mormon because religion is an action

Acts 2:21-23 (King James Version)

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Romans 14:17-19 (King James Version)

17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
If you preach the words of scripture why do you dabble with man's false religion?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,14:03)

Hi BD, If you preach the words of scripture why do you dabble with man's false religion?

Again, No false religion.

Do you suppose you are more religious than a man who is blind and deaf neither seeing the scriptures nor hearing the word but feeds a little starving cat everyday?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
I did not know feeding a cat saved anyone.
Is that so in Islam?

Islam is a false religion

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,14:09)

Hi BD, I did not know feeding a cat saved anyone. Is that so in Islam? Islam is a false religion

There is no false religion and yes feeding a starving cat can save someone. I understand where you might be coming from as the Knowledge of God starts as a seed so I will simply continue to water the seed.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The world is full of false religions.
The way of Jesus actually leads to rescue from the wrath of God.
The rest is vanity encouraged and empowered by the god of this world who wants company in the fire.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,15:28)

Hi BD, The world is full of false religions. The way of Jesus actually leads to rescue from the wrath of God. The rest is vanity encouraged and empowered by the god of this world who wants company in the fire.

God created this world and while you may think it was taken from Him, it was not.

God is the creator of the heavens and the earth can you show me the scripture in which Satan stole it, took it or in any way gained possession of it? If you cannot show this you should stop calling Satan the God of this world because by doing so you are calling him your God.

If you say that Satan is the God of this world how is it you can then say God loved the world? WAKE UP

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
God so loved the world that He sent his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
He did not send him to judge the world but that the world might be saved through him.
The wrath of God abides on him who does not believe.

Saved from wrath is the offer.
Wake up

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 07 2009,05:57)

Hi BD, God so loved the world that He sent his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. He did not send him to judge the world but that the world might be saved through him. The wrath of God abides on him who does not believe. Saved from wrath is the offer. Wake up

But you don't believe the world belongs to God

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Does anything not belong to God?
But who stole earth and rules men?

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done of earth as it is in heaven..

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 07 2009,19:03)

Hi BD, Does anything not belong to God? But who stole earth and rules men? Thy kingdom come, thy will be done of earth as it is in heaven..

Who owns the world?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Men serve another god-the god of this world.
Jesus came to bring about the rescue of men and restoration of the beautiful planet.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 08 2009,10:58)

Hi BD, Men serve another god-the god of this world. Jesus came to bring about the rescue of men and restoration of the beautiful planet.

There is more than one God?

Now let me understand you right, you tell WJ and thinker they can't or shouldn't believe in the trinity or more than one person of God and yet you speak of two gods as well, although there is no other god than GOD who says no God was formed before Him nor was a God made after Him, perhaps it would be better to say men take Satan as their guardian or ruler but make no mistake there is no other god but God.

You must kill the polytheistic tendency in yourself it's that same thinking that led Israel to worship the golden calf and other objects and Idols and the same mind frame that made the early church become polytheistic worshiping crosses, saints and even burial shrouds.

When people want to love God they often become afraid to know God directly just like the Children of Israel who could not bear to communicate with God directly so the further one moves away from God because of that fear they set up devices and symbols to try to keep that channel open.

So Jesus becomes God and then the Cross he was nailed to(According to the scriptures) becomes an object of worship and then his Mother becomes the Mother of God and then when Peter dies a stautue is erected and he is sacred and then it goes on and on. Purify your heart and be still and know that GOD is.

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