Arriving at truth

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Quote (Baker @ Mar. 29 2011,19:10)

Irene

the great multitude are the true Christians with true faith in Christ.

Pierre

March 30, 2011 at 7:29 pm#241252

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 28 2011,21:24)

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For one thing, the 144000 are all Israelite's.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

And, what do you thing it means to have the Father's name written in their forehead?

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

The great multitude does not.

Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

And then it says, the 144000 were virgins.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Remember, woman is symbolic for church, or religion.
These, and the great multitude, are the first fruit, they all have come out of great tribulation.

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Georg

George: Interesting quote but since in the Kingdom of God there is neither Jew, nor Gentile, nor bond, nor free, nor male nor female, there also are no Israelite's or any kind of chosen or rejected by God. Anyone who accepts and believes Gods words is chosen. Only if one rejects Gods words is he rejected. Your interpretation could be in error. IMO, TK

When you talk about thinks you don't understand, you make yourself look dumb.

Georg

March 30, 2011 at 7:30 pm#241253

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Irene

the great multitude are the true Christians with true faith in Christ.

Pierre

The same goes for you, Pierre.

Georg

March 30, 2011 at 8:20 pm#241258

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Irene

the great multitude are the true Christians with true faith in Christ.

Pierre

The same goes for you, Pierre.

Georg

to bad,

Pierre

April 1, 2011 at 1:28 am#241394

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To All,
Try this. Maybe the revelation is an expression of the entire gospel that Jesus gave the world through his life, teachings, and sacrifice. Think about the book of revelation in context of the one having the revelation. John's life. John's condition. John's upbrining (It was Judaic.(OT based.)). It was John's vision. Think about this. What if God were to choose you for such a revelatory vision? What imagery and symbology would God use so you could understand things. Just a thought. You folks should just kiss and make up or words to that effect.

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Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

With Love and Respect,
Wispring

April 2, 2011 at 10:14 am#241676

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Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

With Love and Respect,
Wispring

Wispring: Wow, another first. I have always said that the revelation of John was an “overview” or an “uncovering” of the word of God, Jesus! It must be spiritually discerned. Ch.21:1… It ends with the new heaven and new earth coming from heaven/spirit/God as a bride adorned for her husband. Wasn't Jesus the bridegroom? He who has the bride is the bridegroom that what John said. The bride is the Holy spirit from God.
V3…and behold a voice saying, the tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them…! Isn't the Temple of God within us. God dwells in us now. God and Jesus were symbolically married and moved in to their new home/abode/temple/church/kingdom/us!!

It goes on and on in spiritual pictures of God people overcoming adversarial thinking of death or wrong thinking and adhering to the eternal life from the truth of God.
All IMO, TK

April 6, 2011 at 12:11 pm#242237

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Hi Gene,
What was the first first?

With Love and Respect,
Wispring

April 7, 2011 at 9:34 am#242390

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I meant Tim not Gene….sorry about that.

April 9, 2011 at 12:31 am#242636

karmarie

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Wispring, I hope people are treating you ok here (on the forum).

Let me know if they're not. I can go beat them up.

If you are ever ignored by me, it would be because I never read your post, I usually get distracted and I do miss a lot.

April 9, 2011 at 4:14 am#242668

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Karmarie,
Everything is ok. I have a bucket of fish here I haven't even touched yet!

With Love and Respect,
Wispring

April 9, 2011 at 6:04 am#242681

karmarie

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It has it's moments, trust me.

April 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm#243182

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Wispring, I hope people are treating you ok here (on the forum).

Let me know if they're not. I can go beat them up.

If you are ever ignored by me, it would be because I never read your post, I usually get distracted and I do miss a lot.

April 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm#243183

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Irene

the great multitude are the true Christians with true faith in Christ.

Pierre

Let me say this, the great multitude are standing in front of the Throne of God and worship Him day and night. They have washed their robes white in the blood of the Lamb. Who will be chosen from these, since many are called, but few are chosen, we will see who that will be. The Elect are the once who lost their lives in the first three centuries, for Jesus…I believe they are the Saints…..who will be kings and priests and will reign with Jesus a thousand years…IMO
Peace and Love Irene….
PS don't mind Georg, He is a big pussycat….

April 14, 2011 at 10:27 pm#243190

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Irene

the great multitude are the true Christians with true faith in Christ.

Pierre

Irene

yea this is it to my understanding ,but for the saints the elect ones that it is from the first 3 centuries this i do not know for sure.

Pierre

April 27, 2011 at 11:02 am#244690

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To arrive at the Truth of God one must start out knowing what he is looking for. If he has heard of God and has an urge to know God better he is being called of God. If he has been predisposed to being an unclean, unworthy, low life sinner that needs God to forgive him of his trashy life so far and save him from a horrible punishment from God of eternal death in the fires of Hell, he will start his pathway to God built on fear of hell, not faith in God.

AS he cowers and bows his head he goes into the man made chruch to hear man made sermons from man certified preachers who are self called to an easy life of work maybe three times a week (except during revivals) that attempt to wake up sleepers.
He goes in and hears most of the people saying oh God help us, we are just trudging through this sinful life hoping to be good enough to make it into heaven when we die!

From that point or any point similar, that man is doomed to find evil, hatred, distruction, anger, suffering and on and on. That is what he finds because that is what he thinks hes is looking for. This is not what Jesus said we should do. Lets follow Jesus!

Jesus said, to come to the Father you MUST believe that he is AND that he is a REWARDER of those who diligently seek him.

This distorted situation has covered the Truth of God for over two thousand years. Those with distorted truth that were in man made darkness have passed down more and more darkness until there is very little light avaliable.

There are star patterns and alignments today that are producing extraordinary energies of higher frequency that are beginning to obliterate the darkness with purified light from God. The gospel/good news is beginning shine on those looking for the truth/pure light!

To arrive at the truth of God one must follow the criteria set forth by Jesus. The Truth is Gospel/Good news! When a person hears good news it generally makes them feel good. The good news of God is extremely exhilerating!! You can always tell when someone or sombody is teaching or telling the truth of God because it feels so good deep inside. Once a person has that witness within of pure joy at the truth then they thwart any temptation to disbelieve or not accept. Then one is on track to hear the Truth of God, his spirit within giving witness to the good news. That will direct a person to the truth of God. IMO, TK

April 30, 2011 at 3:03 am#244869

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 28 2011,05:02)

Jesus said, to come to the Father you MUST believe that he is AND that he is a REWARDER of those who diligently seek him.

well said and true ,but the ear the gospel is only the beginning of becoming a servant of God ,

truth of God as to be in you, in your heart in your mind ,in your behavior, on your lips, so we become one with Christ and his father.

Pierre

May 1, 2011 at 9:48 am#244952

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Pierre; Jesus said,…I no longer call you servants for the servant know not what the master does. Hereafter I call you friends. If Jesus call me friend then I am not a servant of God. I am a son of God by his declaration, not mine. This sonship has been given to all who will accept and believe. If you wish to be a servant of God then so be it. I will sit at the table with the rest of the family of God and you can serve us. I'd rather you would sit with me at the table but if you choose to lower your God given status to that of a servant, so be it. IMO, TK

May 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm#244995

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 02 2011,03:48)

that is true ,but he also says that they will be with him in heaven ,

and Christ also say that he has a other pen to gather ,
so there are as per Revelation 144000 sealed this mean no less no more for heaven.

those are the bride of Christ,the heavenly Jerusalem ,the city of God.the temple where God reside

and this is the city that comes down to earth wen all is restored by God.

Pierre

May 2, 2011 at 10:27 am#245047