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Charity,
But true religion is within yourself.
What everyone else does is whatever they do.
We are supposed to be “sojourners” not taking part in the worlds way.So, Charity and Stuart,
Where are you both going?
Stuart, do you believe it is possible that there is a God who created all things through His spirit and the power of the Spirit?
Charity, do you believe in God? Yes?Well, do not worry what everyone else is doing.
Quote (charity @ Feb. 19 2013,10:19) Marty Tell me Do the Pharisee still exist? If so,
You need to snap onto it Marty..pharisee's used the Bible to survive.
As I said, a clue is not taken, An Judgement failed to commence.
see God an Free will are not compatable.
Charity
Hi Charity:How do you define Pharisee?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (charity @ Feb. 19 2013,11:13) I take it you Don't believe Jesus ended the curse. which was from the Garden. Which is evident that he didn't. Two an two should = Jesus will not fifill what was wrong. Again the clues are ignored. an the Pharisee grows to the Largest religious insitution on earth deceiving only those whom are convinced the words are all Gods.
clues sir. clues!
charity
Hi Charity:The curse that Jesus ended is the curse of being condemned through the fact that all humanity has transgressed the Law, the Ten Commandments, therefore, since all have sinned and the wages of sin is death, all would be condemned and separated from God, if it were not for the fact that Jesus obeyed God without sin unto death and consequently, has overcome death, and has been resurrected from the dead unto eternal life, and those who come to God through him can also overcome death, because when we do fall short of perfect obedience, he is alive to intercede for us asking God to forgive us when we aknowledge our sins with a repentant heart.
Quote Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Stu @ Feb. 19 2013,16:58) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 19 2013,03:37) Hi Stu: But I am not delusional, and I have a personal relationship with Him, and therefore, I can tell you the truth because of my personal experience.
You do not know Him or me and therefore, because I do know Him or me, I can tell you that your opinion is wrong on both counts.
I can only go on what you post here. On that basis, I think you are deluded.Quote I don't attribute my experiences to “gods” but unto the “one and only God” and to His Only begoten Son, but you are not the one to tell me to whom to attribute my personal experiences. How do you know?
Sorry I couldn’t understand that. Could you clarify?Quote You say that you can't deny that my experiences happened. Let those who have had similar experiences attribute them to whom they will. I don't know what kind of experiences they have had, but it does not change what I know to be the truth through my personal experience.
I accept that all of this could be very real inside your head. But none of it is real outside your head.Quote God will destroy the first born of Egypt, symbolic of the world, and is speaking of God destroying the firstborn of mankind who have not been born again. The first born, who have not been already been judged, who died in their sins will be raised from the dead to be judged according to their works and destroyed. The firstborn of Egypt who are alive and in their sins when the Lord comes for the church will be judged by the seven last plagues and destroyed.
I didn’t need more reasons not to be a christian, but you have given me some anyway.Stuart
Hi Stu:And so, I already know that your opinion is that I am delusional, but I know that I am not, and I also know that your opinion will be proven wrong.
And my explanation to you regarding the “first born of Egypt”, is so that you can at least know what that is speaking of.
My commission is to share the truth of the gospel (good news with you), and hopefully, you will hear with your ears, and understand with your heart and be converted, but if not, I have fulfilled by obligation by sharing the truth with you.
And so, this is the gospel (good news).
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Stu:
And so, you say:
Quote so as usual natural selection has stumbled upon a compromise that works, 
“Tell me again how it all began? When and how did life itself begin? I am talking about life itself?
You say:
Quote Of course only 100 years ago death during childbirth was commonplace for newborns and mothers alike. So if the Judeo-christian fantasy story is right, it rather understates the “punishment” for Eve's sin: the punishment includes a chance of death or disablement as well as just pain. Some creation, eh! And so, how has “natural selection” changed this? There is still a chance of death not only in giving birth to a child, but death is a reality, and you also will also die someday.
And you state:
Quote Of course the concept of Adam and Eve is a fantasy story invented by ignorant ancient Jews, it is an impossible story biologically. So the immoral inter-generational punishment for an ancestor's sin is based on events that never took place. But eating a forbidden apple is just the kind of thing humans would have done, right?!
What “forbidden Apple”? If you are going to comment about the story of Adam and Eve, at least get the details of story right. I'll let you research it on your own. But I am waiting for your response to the question about the “origin of life”.
And relative to the following:
Quote Quote
But maybe there is hope ahead as these brilliant scientific minds may eventually bring forth children out of a test tube. The only problem is that these children won't have a navel, but then women won't have to suffer in childbearing, and human sex can be done soley for self gratification, and not for the propagation of the human race. And sex can be whatever the mind can imagine, and with whomsoever those human primates desire.You sound jealous of this utopia. I think it very unlikely. Of course it is none of your business what consenting adults do with one another in private, although so many christians seem to want to make it their business.
Jealous? You must be out of your mind. Of course, I believe that it highly unlikely that they will be able to reproduce life itself, and no, it is not by business what you or anyone does behind closed doors, but if you would do things God's way, you would not only be able to come out of the closet, but you would not have to go looking for fig leaves to cover your nakedness when God comes looking for you, and He will come looking for you in the day of judgment. And you cannot hide from God regardless of darkness with which you may surround yourself.
My comment about the dumb animals relative to thier having sex to bring forth their young speaks for itself relative to those of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (2besee @ Feb. 24 2013,08:16) Stuart, do you believe it is possible that there is a God who created all things through His spirit and the power of the Spirit?
I have no idea what those words mean. I don't think you really do either.Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2013,11:02) Hi Stu: And so, I already know that your opinion is that I am delusional, but I know that I am not, and I also know that your opinion will be proven wrong.
I don’t think you can claim to know that. I think you are obviously deluded. You’ve learned all this stuff and invested a lot of emotional energy in it, but actually what can you tie to any of it? Nothing actually.Quote And my explanation to you regarding the “first born of Egypt”, is so that you can at least know what that is speaking of.
All this destroying your nasty god has to do. Why can’t it just bog off and leave us alone?Quote My commission is to share the truth of the gospel (good news with you), and hopefully, you will hear with your ears, and understand with your heart and be converted, but if not, I have fulfilled by obligation by sharing the truth with you.
What if everyone felt the need to share their nasty fantasy conspiracy theories with everyone else? What a really tedious place the world would be then.Quote And so, this is the gospel (good news).
I can’t see a single thing that is good about it.Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2013,11:34) Hi Stu: And so, you say:
Quote so as usual natural selection has stumbled upon a compromise that works, “Tell me again how it all began? When and how did life itself begin? I am talking about life itself?
What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
What do you mean by life itself? Would you call viruses living things? Most biologists wouldn’t, and yet they have DNA or RNA inside a cellular sort of structure.My point is that you have to be very careful about the question you ask. The general answer is that no one knows how life started, and probably no one will ever know, because we don’t have evidence from the abiogenesis of life. But there is some excellent chemical speculation out there. Just use the search term “abiogensis” on YouTube if you want to know about it.
How do you think life started? How was it that DNA came to be the material of heredity? What are the exact origins of sexual reproduction, given the obvious biological disadvantages of it? Can you actually explain any of that, or are you expecting me to know the answers to everything? By the way, don’t imagine that “god did it” is any kind of explanation.
Quote And so, how has “natural selection” changed this? There is still a chance of death not only in giving birth to a child, but death is a reality, and you also will also die someday.
Yes I know. Didn’t I explain this to you already? I explained the compromises in quite a bit of detail, and you just gave me a
. You don’t really want to know about reality, do you. If you did you would look it up in textbooks and do the hard work like others had to.Quote it is not by business what you or anyone does behind closed doors, but if you would do things God's way, you would not only be able to come out of the closet,
What closet do you think I am in?Quote but you would not have to go looking for fig leaves to cover your nakedness when God comes looking for you, and He will come looking for you in the day of judgment. And you cannot hide from God regardless of darkness with which you may surround yourself.
And what if, in the extremely unlikely event that your fantasy conspiracy theory is actually true, I go after your god? How will it explain the absurdity of killing Uzzah when he was only trying to help? How will it explain that humans are not meant to kill, but nevertheless this nasty god went after the Midianites with the most callous intent in all fictional history? Shall I ask your god to account for slaughtering perhaps 24,000,000 of our fellow humans? If not, why not?Quote My comment about the dumb animals relative to thier having sex to bring forth their young speaks for itself relative to those of Sodom and Gomorrah.
You might find it interesting to know that there is no species that has ever been observed to copulate that does not have homosexual copulation.Stuart
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 24 2013,08:16) Charity,
But true religion is within yourself.
What everyone else does is whatever they do.
We are supposed to be “sojourners” not taking part in the worlds way.So, Charity and Stuart,
Where are you both going?
Stuart, do you believe it is possible that there is a God who created all things through His spirit and the power of the Spirit?
Charity, do you believe in God? Yes?Well, do not worry what everyone else is doing.
Your a very Nice Person, Are you supporting the terrible Brutal History?Do you think it will resolve everything if any one to tell you they Believe In God?
People Lost their Lives with a Yes. But!
I do Believe this is rather a huge a subject,
The bride simply can't Discern, all sorts of Ratbag's say they believe an the congregation say's Amen?surly Goodness an mercy shall be detected.
Folks
We Need More example That Might help People Understand How the Romans ended Up Having the Last Say over What Jesus was going to tell the world in writing!Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,08:06) Folks
We Need More example That Might help People Understand How the Romans ended Up Having the Last Say over What Jesus was going to tell the world in writing!
They didn't have the last say. God had the last say when he declared him not guilty and raised him from the dead.Man has the power to kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2013,13:53) Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,08:06) Folks
We Need More example That Might help People Understand How the Romans ended Up Having the Last Say over What Jesus was going to tell the world in writing!
They didn't have the last say. God had the last say when he declared him not guilty and raised him from the dead.Man has the power to kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hey there, What if they tricked you, Just for a second,
what if he didn't rise from the dead, an it was mean trick, as there were reports that the body they sent out saw didn't resemble or sound like Him.
which could only be done by the ones ABLE to hide a body. Romans.I really dont Think its Peter body that they guard today…its more than lightly jesus, incase he did return as re promised, before that generation passed away.
Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,14:18) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2013,13:53) Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,08:06) Folks
We Need More example That Might help People Understand How the Romans ended Up Having the Last Say over What Jesus was going to tell the world in writing!
They didn't have the last say. God had the last say when he declared him not guilty and raised him from the dead.Man has the power to kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hey there, What if they tricked you, Just for a second,
what if he didn't rise from the dead, an it was mean trick, as there were reports that the body they sent out saw didn't resemble or sound like Him.
which could only be done by the ones ABLE to hide a body. Romans.I really dont Think its Peter body that they guard today…its more than lightly jesus, incase he did return as re promised, before that generation passed away.
Hi Charity:God revealed to me that He is a reality and His testimony regarding His Son, Jesus is true when I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980, and so, I wasn't tricked, I know that Jesus was raised from the dead and that he is seated at the right hand of God our Father as head of the church, and is the judge of the living and the dead.
These scriptures relate to what I have stated above:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Quote Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together
His Spirit dwelling within me testifies to the truth of His Word, Charity, and also, over these last 32 years, for the postion of a Bishop or overseer in the church. I have communicated with Him in prayer, and He has spoken to me by His Word, through dreams, and visions, and also, in an audible voice. He has also corrected me many a time as a Father corrects a son in whom he delights, and I wilfully accept His correction because I know that He wants what is best for me. Any Father who loves His children will correct them.
And so, I am not speaking to you from a position of “I believe that this is true”, I know through these personal experiences that the testimony regarding Jesus being raised from the dead is true.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2013,14:41) Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,14:18) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2013,13:53) Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,08:06) Folks
We Need More example That Might help People Understand How the Romans ended Up Having the Last Say over What Jesus was going to tell the world in writing!
They didn't have the last say. God had the last say when he declared him not guilty and raised him from the dead.Man has the power to kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hey there, What if they tricked you, Just for a second,
what if he didn't rise from the dead, an it was mean trick, as there were reports that the body they sent out saw didn't resemble or sound like Him.
which could only be done by the ones ABLE to hide a body. Romans.I really dont Think its Peter body that they guard today…its more than lightly jesus, incase he did return as re promised, before that generation passed away.
Hi Charity:God revealed to me that He is a reality and His testimony regarding His Son, Jesus is true when I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980, and so, I wasn't tricked, I know that Jesus was raised from the dead and that he is seated at the right hand of God our Father as head of the church, and is the judge of the living and the dead.
These scriptures relate to what I have stated above:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Quote Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together
His Spirit dwelling within me testifies to the truth of His Word, Charity, and also, over these last 32 years, for the postion of a Bishop or overseer in the church. I have communicated with Him in prayer, and He has spoken to me by His Word, through dreams, and visions, and also, in an audible voice. He has also corrected me many a time as a Father corrects a son in whom he delights, and I wilfully accept His correction because I know that He wants what is best for me. Any Father who loves His children will correct them.
And so, I am not speaking to you from a position of “I believe that this is true”, I know through these personal experiences that the testimony regarding Jesus being raised from the dead is true.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Dear 97,I do apologise fro the Manner in which I am about to speck you. Its Not personal I promise. i like you very much!
It is rubbish The God acts as A loving Father.
This is so not real. People who deserve protection do not get it. We Live in 2000.
Its all about The Romans in-which you Have received This Knowledge, again They could Have put anything in your Bible an you would Harken to the power which is thinking you will live forever, an go to be with jesus.Im sorry the roman catholic church has sensored everything for you to follow. as a little child… the new testament.
Apart from that 97,
I am able to seperate the action of destroying; killing jesus from GOD.
see I feel quite peaceful to. GOD, Yes God might Just be real happy with me…Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,15:11) God might Just be real happy with me…
Of that I am quite sure!Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Feb. 25 2013,22:05) Quote (charity @ Feb. 25 2013,15:11) God might Just be real happy with me…
Of that I am quite sure!Tim
an to you, I feel sure!Hi Charity and Tim:
Oh, Charity, thanks for liking me very much. I also like you, Tim, and Stu very much, but,
your opinions of God and Jesus are based on misunderstandings of the scriptures. God did not kill Jesus. Jesus gave his life in obedience to Him in order that even the most wicked man can be forgiven his sins and be reconciled to God. Man has the power to kill the body, and man killed Jesus, but he obeyed God in spite of what man could do to him. This was the only way that sin and death could be overcome.
Love in Christ,
MartyAnd Tim and Charity:
Do you feel peaceful, knowing that you will die someday, and what I have told you has been the truth and you did not believe it?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 28 2013,17:55) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 28 2013,14:08) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 27 2013,20:48) Quote (charity @ Jan. 27 2013,17:45) Man is not free Unless God and government are limited, Neither Protect People. Rather they run Lives an subsidizes the problems.
Charity, that is a profound and true statement.The sad fact it seems, is that neither one of these can be limited by the people whose lives they control.
All governments eventually become too powerful for the people to limit, and the people simply won't allow their God to be limited, because then it is not God.
Tim
Tim,
On the last page I posted a couple of responses to your post which you have not responded to yet.Quite the opposite from “controlling” Man, God gave man dominion we are the ones who have made such a mess of things. Why is it your so compelled to blame God?
Wm
Sorry Seekingtruth.
I wasn't ignoring you.
I missed that post.I will get back to you on that later.
Tim
Tim,
In case you forgot
Wm
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