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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:23) The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion. Stuart
Immorality implies morality.
Morality implies a moral code or law.
Law implies a law giver who is moral.A good explanation of God.
Not hard to understand.
Quote (Mary @ Mar. 22 2013,16:01) It upsets me very much to hear that people never stick up for the man jesus.
I agree. All those nasty words the gospel writers put in his mouth.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 22 2013,16:06) Law implies a law giver who is moral.
You've obviously never watched Parliament TV.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Hi Stu:As Christians we do not base our salvation on the immoral act of killing Jesus but on the fact he is the Christ the Son of the Living God who obeyed God without sin unto death in spite of what man could do to him, and because he did, God raised him from the dead to eternal life, never to die again.
The is what the scripture states relative to our salvation:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2013,11:42) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Hi Stu:As Christians we do not base our salvation on the immoral act of killing Jesus but on the fact he is the Christ the Son of the Living God who obeyed God without sin unto death in spite of what man could do to him, and because he did, God raised him from the dead to eternal life, never to die again.
The is what the scripture states relative to our salvation:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Love in Christ,
Marty
And what if Jesus had died in his sleep aged 85 years?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:48) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2013,11:42) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Hi Stu:As Christians we do not base our salvation on the immoral act of killing Jesus but on the fact he is the Christ the Son of the Living God who obeyed God without sin unto death in spite of what man could do to him, and because he did, God raised him from the dead to eternal life, never to die again.
The is what the scripture states relative to our salvation:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Love in Christ,
Marty
And what if Jesus had died in his sleep aged 85 years?Stuart
exactly Stu!, They refuse the half their Bible, locked themselves out of their own House, lets say they don't even know how big the house is, because the catholic church Has convinced them not to Look. or what the Key of David for?Quote (t8 @ Mar. 22 2013,16:06) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:23) The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion. Stuart
Immorality implies morality.
Morality implies a moral code or law.
Law implies a law giver who is moral.A good explanation of God.
Not hard to understand.
This wont be fixed until people the shame. He was Humiliated an continues to be humiliated by this double crossing moral!Quote (Mary @ Mar. 24 2013,20:02) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:48) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2013,11:42) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Hi Stu:As Christians we do not base our salvation on the immoral act of killing Jesus but on the fact he is the Christ the Son of the Living God who obeyed God without sin unto death in spite of what man could do to him, and because he did, God raised him from the dead to eternal life, never to die again.
The is what the scripture states relative to our salvation:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Love in Christ,
Marty
And what if Jesus had died in his sleep aged 85 years?Stuart
exactly Stu!, They refuse the half their Bible, locked themselves out of their own House, lets say they don't even know how big the house is, because the catholic church Has convinced them not to Look. or what the Key of David for?
True again Mary,The Christian message that the world gets, first went through Rome and was “modified” in a Greco-Roman, Pagan chop-shop.
A good analogy would be buying a Toyota and sending it off to become a cab. The shop would add lights and decals, a radio, cameras and such, so when one gets it back it looks like a cab now and not the original Toyota.
The Romans got Paul’s Letter “to the Romans” and liked it because they already had the Pagan ideas of sacrifice and blood drinking in their religion(s) long before Jesus came along.
I'm like you, the Romans got an awful lot of millage out of that modified Toyota but I prefer the original factory prototype car which can be found by stripping off all the add-ons that Jesus never put on his car.
You see, the Greco-Roman world was hungry for “cabs” not the Jews factory Toyota’s, so Paul sold the Romans the idea that they could modify the factory cars for the sake of getting the “deal done”. Perhaps it was better to have modified cabs all over the place, getting people where they needed to go, instead of walking around lost unable to get anywhere.
But now there is a new car company producing “The 606 Urantia Turbo” wherein each customer is able to modify his or her personal “chariot to the Gods” according to their own sincere experience with the ride.
Colter
Colter, I feel the gospel of John is the divider, the nature behind it is cruel an reverses all of the goodness out what the world hoped would come, an still many hope as it fights to keep the curse.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:48) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2013,11:42) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Hi Stu:As Christians we do not base our salvation on the immoral act of killing Jesus but on the fact he is the Christ the Son of the Living God who obeyed God without sin unto death in spite of what man could do to him, and because he did, God raised him from the dead to eternal life, never to die again.
The is what the scripture states relative to our salvation:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Love in Christ,
Marty
And what if Jesus had died in his sleep aged 85 years?Stuart
Hi Stu:Jesus obeyed God without sin in spite of what could do to him. Man has the power to kill the body, and because he does have that power, there are some who would try to force you to do what they want you to do through intimidation.
But he as well as we who are his disciples will worship and serve God our heavenly Father. If he had died at in his sleep at the age of 85, he would not have faced this chalenge.
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Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve
Love in Christ,
Marty97
The destruction of Jesus, is the destruction of election! Agreement with the destruction of super election, anyone that shines in wisdom is a threat to government, I wish you might consider!
God an Jesus are solid, interpreting is movable!
Hi Mary:
Reconsider what? When I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980, God revealed to me that HE is a reality and His testimony regarding His Only Begotten Son and His Christ is true. Also, since that time I have many countless personal experiences with the risen Christ, and so, no one can draw me away preaching some other gospel.
Maybe, you might reconsider?
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Mar. 25 2013,09:24) I have many countless personal experiences with the risen Christ
No you haven't.Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Mar. 25 2013,08:08) And what if Jesus had died in his sleep aged 85 years? Stuart[/quote]
Hi Stu:Jesus obeyed God without sin in spite of what could do to him. Man has the power to kill the body, and because he does have that power, there are some who would try to force you to do what they want you to do through intimidation.
But he as well as we who are his disciples will worship and serve God our heavenly Father. If he had died at in his sleep at the age of 85, he would not have faced this chalenge.
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Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve
Love in Christ,
Marty
So it's a good thing that Jesus was killed by the Romans on a Jewish tip-off. It gave him the chance to be faced with a challenge he could then surmount.That's a bit like the nasty line taken by the theologian Richard Swinburne who suggested that the Holocaust gave the Jews an opportunity to be courageous and noble.
I sometimes wonder if it is disappointing that there is no hell for the thinkers of such nasty thoughts to burn in.
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Mar. 25 2013,09:24) Hi Mary: Reconsider what? When I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980, God revealed to me that HE is a reality and His testimony regarding His Only Begotten Son and His Christ is true. Also, since that time I have many countless personal experiences with the risen Christ, and so, no one can draw me away preaching some other gospel.
Maybe, you might reconsider?
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
That's it 97, the deception is massive, an orgastra of angles will play with the heart! Please understand why I bother!Hi Stu and Mary:
What is unfortunate is that you have not believed the love of the truth.
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyYou tell Jesus that 97! You tell him we will not to worship his brutal death as his murders require us to!
Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2013,12:43) Hi Stu and Mary: What is unfortunate is that you have not believed the love of the truth.
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The good news of Jesus is that this is all made up after his death by zealots keen to make political capital. It's not really true, thankfully.Stuart
John Has turned his code of authority over to the Roman Catholic church. The books a Whole new Law of How you must think! The Lie is so deverstating They even cursed their Own Nation to observe the brutal murder of Jesus, Romans. The Lie is so big, the tomb gaurds Had to Die for not stoping a spirit
Nail it to the Door, the jewish spoil went to Vatican city to be gloated over, seen by just a few eye's.
John Has Helped them spoil the goodness on earth, an keep Life inslaved to a deverstating Lie. An I bet, He was triple crossed in the end to!
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,16:43) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2013,12:43) Hi Stu and Mary: What is unfortunate is that you have not believed the love of the truth.
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The good news of Jesus is that this is all made up after his death by zealots keen to make political capital. It's not really true, thankfully.Stuart
This is where Stu leaves his testable, empirical hiding place in the laboratory and goes down the hall to enlighten the theology class.That's why I say you aren't a true scientist, you hold the religious to a standard that you yourself don't adhere to.
Colter
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