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[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2013,05:47) 2BEE self righteousness like wakeup shows ,his not the quality that God nor christ is looking for in their followers, Terraricca, we all have our faults, but the most important thing of all is to love one another without creating a state of fear, etc.

2bee

love is a big word,and can be applied when we know who it is we dealing with ,think for instance I DID NOT KNOW YOU WHERE A WOMEN until you mention it ,you see we kind of do not know any one in reality on the internet unless you have like i say deal with them ;so the word love and how to apply it can be neutralized in a easy way ,by ignorance ,of the other parties ,but what can be the test ,is the written words they write ,and their understanding ,and the way they bring there own views into the scriptures ,ect,

so for those reasons i still claim that the type of love you seek from the internet forum members remain in limbo ,

and more so some can not or will not answer simple questions from scriptures ,this also tells you the character of the individual that has to answer the questions , not to honest his he ?

[2besee]

Terraricca that is true. But sometimes, because we cannot see each other in reality, it is even the more reason to be gentler.
I mean – how do we not know that the person we are writing to has not just lost a loved one, or been beaten black and blue, or something.  Not everybody is open about their private life on a public forum.
So, love is scriptural and everyone has a spirit. A spirit does not have a body.
And God is spirit.

“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his
brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his
brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God
whom he hath not seen.”

Also: The sheep and the goats Matthew 25.

Some people on the internet have nobody in their real life to talk to who is a Christian, and the internet is their only means of contact. So, I believe that feeding/clothing/visiting, etc, can be spiritual (without body) as well.

On the other hand, the internet can be full of delusional people, and we should not take people as seriously as we may have once upon a time. I don't.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,08:16)

Terraricca that is true. But sometimes, because we cannot see each other in reality, it is even the more reason to be gentler. I mean – how do we not know that the person we are writing to has not just lost a loved one, or been beaten black and blue, or something.  Not everybody is open about their private life on a public forum. So, love is scriptural and everyone has a spirit. A spirit does not have a body. And God is spirit. “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.” Also: The sheep and the goats Matthew 25. Some people on the internet have nobody in their real life to talk to who is a Christian, and the internet is their only means of contact. So, I believe that feeding/clothing/visiting, etc, can be spiritual (without body) as well. On the other hand, the internet can be full of delusional people, and we should not take people as seriously as we may have once upon a time. I don't.

2bee

Did you ever read the story about the man that was blind from birth ,and that Jesus give his eyes back ,and. That was question by the Priests???

Read it ,and ask yourself who's brothers where those around him

Jesus says my Mother,brothers and systers are those who do the will of my father in heaven , so who are those we have to love And how

But Jesus also said ,,to love your enemies right ? Yes ,but how

And how are those two kind of love different from each other

[2besee]

Terraricca,

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Jesus says my Mother,brothers and systers are those who do the will of my father in heaven , so who are those we have to love And how

Jesus said: “Those who do the will of my Father in Heaven”.
So the will of the Father is what?
The will of God is to love Him – and to love our neighbor.
So, who is our neighbor?
Jesus answered us this (Luke 10:25-37).
I believe it is whoever we may encounter day to day, whether in our life or on the net.

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But Jesus also said ,,to love your enemies right ? Yes ,but how

We love our enemies: firstly by forgiving them.

Ephesians 4:31-32
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Matthew 6:14-15
For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Luke 17:3-4
Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”

Matthew 18:15
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

Colossians 3:13
Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

Luke 23:34
And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

Colossians 3:12-14
Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.

John 20:22-23
When he had said this, he breathed on them and told them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive people’s sins, they are forgiven. If you retain people’s sins, they are retained.”

TRUE forgiveness (in all but the worst of cases) is putting away whatever was done wrong, and starting again – as if nothing happened. That is true forgiveness.
Forgiveness is forgetting.

Other ways to love our enemy…..
Doing good to them, praying for them, “turning the other cheek”, giving to them whatever they request, or even more. Giving them food when they are hungry, or water when they are thirsty.
Treating others as we would like to be treated.

Luke 6:27-36
“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either.
Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.”

Romans 12:19-21
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written,
“Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

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And how are those two kind of love different from each other

Is it supposed to be different?
Read this, and then tell me what you think, according to the scriptures.

Matthew 5:43-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’  But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers,  what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles
do the same?
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

I apologize about the long post.

[2besee]

Terraricca, when it comes to the internet,
if a group of people are upsetting us, if we are being upset by false teachings say, the best thing to do is to go, because we make that choice to keep coming back to them. In real life we would NOT spend our time constantly arguing with that type of people would we?

We have a natural dislike of false teachers especially when we know they may deceive other people (or we want to help them). But people make their own choices.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,23:56)

Terraricca, when it comes to the internet, if a group of people are upsetting us, if we are being upset by false teachings say, the best thing to do is to go, because we make that choice to keep coming back to them. In real life we would NOT spend our time constantly arguing with that type of people would we? We have a natural dislike of false teachers especially when we know they may deceive other people (or we want to help them). But people make their own choices.

2BEE

you right ,in all you said ,and yes i try to shake some of them ,

[terraricca]

2bee

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Is it supposed to be different? Read this, and then tell me what you think, according to the scriptures. Matthew 5:43-48 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

you may go and live and sleep with you brother in the faith ,but would you with your enemy (i mean not forced to do it )

not all enemies are real enemies ,but some are , certain actions can be forced on us by our enemies ,in this case we should act with kindness knowing this is God's will ,this is not “one size fit all “

[2besee]

Terraricca,
Yes you are correct.

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2013,07:07)

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,23:56) Terraricca, when it comes to the internet, if a group of people are upsetting us, if we are being upset by false teachings say, the best thing to do is to go, because we make that choice to keep coming back to them. In real life we would NOT spend our time constantly arguing with that type of people would we? We have a natural dislike of false teachers especially when we know they may deceive other people (or we want to help them). But people make their own choices. 2BEE you right ,in all you said ,and yes i try to shake some of them ,

You can do it. I will be.
I was shown that constantly arguing like people do on the internet will lead us the wrong way.
Deep down we know that.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2013,07:07) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,23:56) Terraricca, when it comes to the internet, if a group of people are upsetting us, if we are being upset by false teachings say, the best thing to do is to go, because we make that choice to keep coming back to them. In real life we would NOT spend our time constantly arguing with that type of people would we? We have a natural dislike of false teachers especially when we know they may deceive other people (or we want to help them). But people make their own choices. 2BEE you right ,in all you said ,and yes i try to shake some of them , You can do it. I will be. I was shown that constantly arguing like people do on the internet will lead us the wrong way. Deep down we know that.

2BEE

i agree with you ,but understand this ;if you can be shaken in your faith ;you should pray to become unshakable in the ways of God and your faith in his son ,

if you are shaking by some events or some people or other

this means that you need to be strengthened ,either by more bible knowledge, and understanding of scriptures ,

[2besee]

Terraricca,
Thank you for your advice.
But no need to worry there.

[terraricca]

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Terraricca, Thank you for your advice. But no need to worry there.

[terraricca]

THE TRUTH FOR BELIEVERS BECOMES THE CAP STONE THAT WILL CRUSH THEM ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED WITH THEIR HEARTS ,ONLY LIP SERVICE TO GOD

[Wakeup]

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THE TRUTH FOR BELIEVERS BECOMES THE CAP STONE THAT WILL CRUSH THEM ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED WITH THEIR HEARTS ,ONLY LIP SERVICE TO GOD

T.

Besee has taken flight to test his wings.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,17:47)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,14:28) THE TRUTH FOR BELIEVERS BECOMES THE CAP STONE THAT WILL CRUSH THEM ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED WITH THEIR HEARTS ,ONLY LIP SERVICE TO GOD T. Besee has taken flight to test his wings. wakeup.

w

that is what maturity means ,the next step is only to prove if the previous one was true

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2014,12:41)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,17:47) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,14:28) THE TRUTH FOR BELIEVERS BECOMES THE CAP STONE THAT WILL CRUSH THEM ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED WITH THEIR HEARTS ,ONLY LIP SERVICE TO GOD T. Besee has taken flight to test his wings. wakeup. w that is what maturity means ,the next step is only to prove if the previous one was true

T.

You are teaching error again and again.
The corner stone will become the cap stone.
And that is Jesus,not the believers.

So;one more error you have earned.
You have many in your pockets.
What are you going to do with it?
But sleep with it,and cuddle it.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2014,08:49)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2014,12:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,17:47) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,14:28) THE TRUTH FOR BELIEVERS BECOMES THE CAP STONE THAT WILL CRUSH THEM ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED WITH THEIR HEARTS ,ONLY LIP SERVICE TO GOD T. Besee has taken flight to test his wings. wakeup. w that is what maturity means ,the next step is only to prove if the previous one was true T. You are teaching error again and again. The corner stone will become the cap stone. And that is Jesus,not the believers. So;one more error you have earned. You have many in your pockets. What are you going to do with it? But sleep with it,and cuddle it. wakeup.

w

if you would have but a little understanding in scriptures ,you would have understand what i was saying ,and so not making up your own view of things you see for a profit

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2014,11:47)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2014,08:49) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2014,12:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,17:47) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,14:28) THE TRUTH FOR BELIEVERS BECOMES THE CAP STONE THAT WILL CRUSH THEM ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED WITH THEIR HEARTS ,ONLY LIP SERVICE TO GOD T. Besee has taken flight to test his wings. wakeup. w that is what maturity means ,the next step is only to prove if the previous one was true T. You are teaching error again and again. The corner stone will become the cap stone. And that is Jesus,not the believers. So;one more error you have earned. You have many in your pockets. What are you going to do with it? But sleep with it,and cuddle it. wakeup. w if you would have but a little understanding in scriptures ,you would have understand what i was saying ,and so not making up your own view of things you see for a profit

T.

Very hard to follow what you are saying.
Yesterday was *A* and today is *B*.
You are like a leaf blowing in the wind.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

w

i know i am hard to understand coming from you ,truth in your mind ,means it is not the way you see it ,and this stop all progress ,the man you follow must be you , right not Christ nor his father

[Wakeup]

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w i know i am hard to understand coming from you ,truth in your mind ,means it is not the way you see it ,and this stop all progress ,the man you follow must be you , right not Christ nor his father

T.

To have a decent dialoque as grown ups,
one needs to be consistent.
And follow the rules of dialoque.

This: children can not do.
Because they dont have to make sense with their words.
They can say anything; sense or nonsense.

wakeup.

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