Anyone that dont believe in peace

[journey42]

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Hi Wakeup and J42 Of course, you have the freedom to tell me and others on this website what you believe to be the truth, and so do I, but you do not have the right to tell me that unless I believe what you teach is the truth, I have no truth in me. Maybe, a little humility when you tell me what you believe to be the truth would be in order. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Show me where I said this to you?  
That was a real weak remark.
I remember you accusing me of something.

I gave you scriptures in detail.  
If you are confident in trying to make a point then you need to defend the scriptures, or show me why my scriptures I gave you do not fit. Don't just post me scriptures, give me reasons also to justify your point.

And I did show you what I believed to be the truth, but it seems that I am not amongst brothers here, but just an outsider looking in on your pathetic little world of hypocrisy. And you are just one of those who hold very little regard for the Word of God which I happen to treasure.
So be a man of God and raise the ante, or you will have your part with the hypocrites receiving the wrath of God for polluting his sanctuary.

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ April 30 2014,05:31) Hi Wakeup and J42 Of course, you have the freedom to tell me and others on this website what you believe to be the truth, and so do I, but you do not have the right to tell me that unless I believe what you teach is the truth, I have no truth in me. Maybe, a little humility when you tell me what you believe to be the truth would be in order. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Show me where I said this to you?   That was a real weak remark. I remember you accusing me of something. I gave you scriptures in detail.   If you are confident in trying to make a point then you need to defend the scriptures, or show me why my scriptures I gave you do not fit.  Don't just post me scriptures, give me reasons also to justify your point. And I did show you what I believed to be the truth, but it seems that I am not amongst brothers here, but just an outsider looking in on your pathetic little world of hypocrisy. And you are just one of those who hold very little regard for the Word of God which I happen to treasure. So be a man of God and raise the ante, or you will have your part with the hypocrites receiving the wrath of God for polluting his sanctuary.

Hi J42:

Wakeup posted his post relative to someone not haveing the truth in them unless we believe what he stated, and he did not address it to anyone in particular, and you defended him with a post, and so, I gather that you are agreeing with him.

I don't remember accusing you of anything, but I can say that when you make your posts you seem to me, that you are saying that you are the authority, and it can't possibly be any other way. It is good that you are confident that what you are saying is the truth. I also believe that what I am posting is the truth, but it is possible that I may have misunderstood the scriptures, and therefore, I pray to God every morning asking that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word, or doing anything that is not His will, that He correct me. I want to be corrected if I am wrong. Don't you?

You say:

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And I did show you what I believed to be the truth, but it seems that I am not amongst brothers here, but just an outsider looking in on your pathetic little world of hypocrisy. And you are just one of those who hold very little regard for the Word of God which I happen to treasure. So be a man of God and raise the ante, or you will have your part with the hypocrites receiving the wrath of God for polluting his sanctuary.

And so, you did show me what you believed to be the truth, and that is fine, but just because you believe what you have stated is the truth does not make it necessarily so. I believe that, as God has shown me personally, we should all give our understanding of the scriptures with confidence, but with the possibility that what I believe to be the truth may not be what God intended by the scriptures. I maybe understood what was being stated.

And so, now you have become my judge and know the motives and the intent of my heart, saying that I have very little regard for the Word of God, and just what do you mean, by telling me to be a man of God and raise the ante, or you will have your part with the hypocrites receiving the wrath of God.

Are you sure that you do not want to appologize for these statements?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
To disagree with you and advise you to view your role more humbly is to be a hypocrite and to pollute the sanctuary?

[journey42]

Marty

The Word of God is the authority which I defend.  
You know the post I am speaking of which you completely ignored.  Is that love for the truth?
These are the last days, with so little time.  Every one who rejects the Word of God will have his part with the hypocrites.  Do you understand this?  You claimed in the other post that you did not agree, so in other words what I posted was false?,  false information being fed to the flock? a very BIG ACCUSATION. with no reasons why.  God will not look lightly on this.

Dont make this about ME like the other hypocrite is trying to do.  You want to join with him to add to my affliction?, then you will most definately be forced to drink of the same cup he will be given.  Don't fool yourself.  God sees everything how his word is being handled. It's VERY SERIOUS.

I thought we were sent here to help the brothers.  But it's turning out to not be the case, it's looking like we were sent here to be a witness AGAINST them, for they trample the truth to the ground, something which Christ despises, and I will not back down.  Christ and the apostles were being treated the same by so called “God fearing Jews”, and said we will be hated for his name sake, and that makes Wakeup and myself the outcasts.  You join them that try to make us feel that we do not belong.  There will come a day when you all will be very ashamed when the kingdom is cleansed out of all filth,.. if you continue in what you are doing. So it's ok to disagree, but give REASONS WHY so we can REASON.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
Your words are not the word of God.
Nor are they necessarily the truth.

Should all be wary of your labels?

[journey42]

Nick

You interpretations are false and misleading.  You do not qualify to teach, but can only obstruct.
I will continue to correct you at your attempts of guessing, which is evident the holy spirit has not been working in you.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
Meanwhile the gospel will still be preached.

[NickHassan]

Hi j42,
By your judgement we err.
But your judgement is very suspect

[942767]

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Marty The Word of God is the authority which I defend.   You know the post I am speaking of which you completely ignored.  Is that love for the truth? These are the last days, with so little time.  Every one who rejects the Word of God will have his part with the hypocrites.  Do you understand this?  You claimed in the other post that you did not agree, so in other words what I posted was false?,  false information being fed to the flock? a very BIG ACCUSATION. with no reasons why.  God will not look lightly on this. Dont make this about ME like the other hypocrite is trying to do.  You want to join with him to add to my affliction?, then you will most definately be forced to drink of the same cup he will be given.  Don't fool yourself.  God sees everything how his word is being handled.  It's VERY SERIOUS. I thought we were sent here to help the brothers.  But it's turning out to not be the case, it's looking like we were sent here to be a witness AGAINST them, for they trample the truth to the ground, something which Christ despises, and I will not back down.  Christ and the apostles were being treated the same by so called “God fearing Jews”, and said we will be hated for his name sake, and that makes Wakeup and myself the outcasts.  You join them that try to make us feel that we do not belong.  There will come a day when you all will be very ashamed when the kingdom is cleansed out of all filth,.. if you continue in what you are doing.  So it's ok to disagree, but give REASONS WHY so we can REASON.

Hi J42:

Does the fact that I disagree with you on what the scriptures mean, does not mean that I am saying that what you are posting is false, but only that I understand the scriptures different than you are saying.

Do you expect me to tell you that I agree with you when I do not?

I know that you are sincere in what you believe to be the Word of God and are posting what you believe in truth, and so am I, and so, one of us is wrong in our interpretation. I am willing to be corrected if I am wrong, and not only willing, but I want to be corrected if I am wrong because I do not want to teach anything that is not God's Word.

I liken this to the so called Christian Church today who teach the “Trinity Doctrine” as Orthodox doctrine, and unless I agree with them on this doctrine, they brand me a heretic.

I will never tell you that I agree with you if I do not. Nor will I tell anyone else that I agree. I will give you my understanding of the scriptures, and that is all I can do. I would be a liar if I did, and I know what God will do with all liars.

Are you an Apostle? If so, please tell me when God ordained you for that position? Is God confirming what you teach with miracles and signs and wonders following as he did in the ministry of our Lord and of the Apostles?

I did tell you why I did not agree with you about the seven last plagues. I would have to go back to this post to see what I said, but I know that I have never told you that what you are teaching is false, but you could be wrong in what you teach, can you not, or is it only me that can be wrong?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
you say
“There will come a day when you all will be very ashamed when the kingdom is cleansed out of all filth,..”

hmmm

[journey42]

942767,May wrote:

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Hi J42: Does the fact that I disagree with you on what the scriptures mean, does not mean that I am saying that what you are posting is false, but only that I understand the scriptures different than you are saying.

Marty,
It's the same thing.  
The problem we have here, is that the scriptures are the final authority.  Not me, not you, but the scriptures. They are to be used for edification, for doctrine, for reproof and the way God has shown me, is that if I do not agree with someone, to provide scripture to correct, not just disagree.  This word is a living word, not dead, but alive.  I never claimed to be a prophet or anyone great, but I do claim to have the truth and a witness to it.  I am just a small fly to wakeup, and if you go back on his old posts, how humble he was, and how they attacked him and attacked him, or ignored him, and ran off, you would understand his boldness and how he comes across this day.  Use righteous judgement.  Look at how the wolves are provoking him to be bold.  He is not speaking amongst brethren, but the enemies of Christ.
Wakeup is not a god, or involved in the world, but I know him personally.  Picture Isaiah, or Jeremiah, or Ezekiel, how loyal and in tune they are with God, and you can picture wakeup.
Wakeup is not a prophet of course, but can discern ALL the prophesies and scripture.  He is heavily armed, always providing scripture, and truth, and explanations.  If he has spoken to someone in a particular way, then he is moved by the spirit to speak.  He is not affected one bit by his treatment, but only becomes more bolder.  Yet he still explains and goes over and over giving a chance, and not shutting out anyone.  What I am seeing here, is jealousy from many.  Many do not like to be corrected.  It is a pride thing.
If they cannot see a truth, then so be it, but for you to come out and attack us when we are here for your benefit also, to get you off these silly topics that have absolutely nothing to do with what is coming upon us soon, then stay there, but we provide solids, something to stir you all up, get you thinking, get you to open your bibles where the truth comes from, and start thinking about how close we are to the end.

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Do you expect me to tell you that I agree with you when I do not?

No I do not, but when you come on here and attack me, that I am making myself out to be above everyone else, then I am going to stand up.  I did not come on to this site with doubt.  I did not come looking for answers, but came to share, and you make it sound so ugly, like I am bragging.  I am here for God's word and even answering this post is a waste of precious time spent on what? me defending myself against accusations.

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I know that you are sincere in what you believe to be the Word of God and are posting what you believe in truth, and so am I, and so, one of us is wrong in our interpretation.  I am willing to be corrected if I am wrong, and not only willing, but I want to be corrected if I am wrong because I do not want to teach anything that is not God's Word.

Marty, I have never heard anyone say this on this forum.  It touches me, so stop trying to soften me up.  I am also willing to be corrected if I am wrong, but it needs to be proven.  There are so many topics, and I can assure you I have been there before with others, I have been corrected on a number of times, and have appreciated it, and made a big deal that I was wrong, and posted it.  Something I seldom see here.

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I liken this to the so called Christian Church today who teach the “Trinity Doctrine” as Orthodox doctrine, and unless I agree with them on this doctrine, they brand me a heretic.

Fair enough, but I have not seen anyone here attacking you, nor every single thing you say used against you.  I have not seen you provoked nor accused of not belonging to God's kingdom, telling you everyday to get saved and insulting you?
If it happens to you, lets see how you will react?

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I will never tell you that I agree with you if I do not. Nor will I tell anyone else that I agree.  I will give you my understanding of the scriptures, and that is all I can do.  I would be a liar if I did, and I know what God will do with all liars.

Good.

And now here we go again. To all HN viewers.  When cornered, instead of saying the KJV is corrupted, pull this one out of the bag, it will work every time;

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Are you an Apostle?  If so, please tell me when God ordained you for that position?  Is God confirming what you teach with miracles and signs and wonders following as he did in the ministry of our Lord and of the Apostles?

I've got a sign stuck to my head, and I wear it around everywhere I go, just so people can fear me before I even speak.
I also carry a diploma of truth in my pocket.  I show it to everyone that walks by, and when I am not using it, I frame it and put it on the wall so all visitors can see it when they come over.

You are talking of worldly christians, men ordained from men.  You are putting me in the wrong category.  This shows you only revere scholars and organised churches.  Do you believe that our relationship with our saviour is personal, and involves the heart in our everyday walk?
Do you believe man does not change overnight, but it is a gradual process?  Do you think we are strong enough to cut all sin off in one day?  Or do you think we need to go through certain lessons first?
Or do you believe the truth can only be found in an established organisation.  The one you have to put your hands in your pockets for and the preacher charges you for being there, saying give give, God will bless you more if you give.  Don't worry about feeding your family, don't worry if you get kicked out of your rental, just give generously. God will reward you?  It's all about works now, don't bother reading, and don't check anything we say, just accept, because we have the diploma from the university.

Do you know how to tell an apostle, a disciple or one of the 144,000?
Do you think God is going to put them all in the one place?  Or will he spread them out in two's or three's..  
If any apostle contradict the holy scriptures then they are not an apostle, but an enemy of Christ.
If any apostle claim God did not preserve his word, and it can't be used for reproof, for doctrine, and instruction of righteousness, then he is an enemy of Christ.
And if any brother falsely accuses the messenger that God has sent, he will have his share with the hypocrites.  If I say nothing, you will keep doing it. If I be bold, you will at least think about it and analyse yourself when you pray with a good conscience.  The wo
rst it can do is make you hate me, so I'll take that.

One more thing. Do you go by miracles? Do you not know that Satan can copy any miracle, but the one thing he cannot copy is the truth.
Marty, you sound like a born again, only speaking what the church has indoctrinated you with, going by signs and miracles.   Satan has gone into the churches.  He is there doing all these things.  There is a “Falling away” happening, go and learn what this means.

We are in the last days,
John 20:29   Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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I did tell you why I did not agree with you about the seven last plagues.  I would have to go back to this post to see what I said, but I know that I have never told you that what you are teaching is false, but you could be wrong in what you teach, can you not, or is it only me that can be wrong?

I am not claiming to be wrong, but the opposite. I wouldn't do the post if I had doubts.

[942767]

Hi J42:

Both you, wakeup and I as well as others on this site are studying the scriptures together so that we can teach the Word of God or at least, I hope that is the case.  

And Apostle is a person that is ordained by God, and sent by God as an authority in the church.  They are qualified by God for that position of authority.  God will confirm what the Apostle teaches with miracles, signs and wonders following if God sent him and He is teaching the truth.  God will not confirm anything that is not His Word.

If you are willing to be corrected if you are wrong, then that is great, because regardless of how confident we may be that we are teaching the truth, there is still the possibility that we may have misunderstood the scriptures, and yes, all scripure is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect, throurghly furnished unto all good works.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

j42
you say;
And now here we go again. To all HN viewers. When cornered, instead of saying the KJV is corrupted, pull this one out of the bag, it will work every time;

IT SEEM WHAT GETS AROUND COMES AROUND

[terraricca]

ALL

NOTICE THAT BELIEVING IS NOT WHAT WE ACCEPT TO BELIEVE BELIEVING MEANS WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING AND FOLLOW IT ,THE TRUTH CAN ONLY BE IN US IF WE PRACTICE IT ;THIS IS WHY THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD IS CALL “THE LIVING WORD ” THIS IS WHY CHRIST SAYS MY WORDS ARE LIVING SPIRITS ” FOR BY ACTING ON IT IT BRINGS LIFE TO THOSE THAT PRACTICE IT ;

[journey42]

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j42 you say; And now here we go again. To all HN viewers.  When cornered, instead of saying the KJV is corrupted, pull this one out of the bag, it will work every time; IT SEEM WHAT GETS AROUND COMES AROUND

Pierre

You only put half of my quote in

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And now here we go again. To all HN viewers.  When cornered, instead of saying the KJV is corrupted, pull this one out of the bag, it will work every time;

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Quote from Marty Are you an Apostle?  If so, please tell me when God ordained you for that position?  Is God confirming what you teach with miracles and signs and wonders following as he did in the ministry of our Lord and of the Apostles?

This is the BIG TRAP that attracts and will deceive the luke warm Christian world.

For the false prophet will come performing many miracles, and lying wonders, deceiving the masses.

Rev 13:13   And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
Rev 13:14   And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[NickHassan]

HI,
If we are serving the Lord in our work then we will not take umbrage when we are questioned.
The burden is his.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

[NickHassan]

Hi,Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Soothsayers of the world speak to calm men.
But peace is the inheritance of those in Christ Jesus.

If you are not yet established in Christ you have every right to be anxious and alarmed at the future prospects for mankind

[Wakeup]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
***profitable for doctrine***,
***for reproof,
***for correction***,
***for instruction in***
***righteousness***:

THIS MEANS THAT ALL DIAGREEMENTS TO BE PROVEN WITH SCRIPTURES. NO WILD ACCUSATIONS PLEASE,IT'S A WASTE OF TIME.

2 Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions,
***do the work of an evangelist***,
***make full proof of thy ministry***.

HAVE TO BE FULL PROOF. WITH NO PATCHED UP HOLES.

wakeup.

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