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Thankyou for asking Dennison, good thanks:)
Your blessed.
BTW I liked your poem, sorry I didnt comment I was 'away with the fairies' sort of today
I just saw this too.Bless you. love peace:)
Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2010,02:07) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 23 2010,02:17) Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2010,13:45) Hi SF, I'm glad we are agreeing on something. That's always nice
About your comments:
Quote t doesnt make since, How can you be full God, and NOT be God. From what your telling me, its like he took a seed and just planted it, and that seed came from him. is that what your saying? yet this seed has no diffrent distingush from God, displays the very same morals, characther, choices and ethics,. They have no difference in personality, and yet say they are not one and the same.
How can someone be fully God and not be God? By being procreated by the Most High God, one can be the begotten God. I don't know how the procreation happened within the Most High God, but the one who designed asexual reproduction would not find it hard to procreate by Himself.
That is all I have time for now. Remember not to stay up too late:) I often listen to my podcasts on my iPod when my mind would otherwise not want to rest and let me sleep. The podcasts help me think about something else. It is good that HN is helping you dig deeper into scripture…let the Holy Spirit lead you and not the members of HN, ok? The Holy Spirit may use the members though.
G'nite!
Ya im glad we agree on something too. =)It just makes the process of understanding you just so much smoother, because we can dont have to back track to debate another topic that we already agreed on.
I dont want it to be that i took a step forward and than took two steps back.
lol we can continue and not have to go back and reargue something. finally discussing with someone who doesnt speak in circles. You have no idea, how much i look forward to your posts. even though we can disagree, your clear. I can understand you.
=) to continue
But i dont get that procreated? so Jesus was begotten before he was made flesh?
so your saying that God is Asexual. You see when i learnd about Asexuality, it meant that the being, made another being thats is exactly like the other.Idk. You see i agree that Jesus was begotten in Flesh, but you make it seem that he was created before created in flesh.
Yet he is full God but not God. Idk….i would like for your elaboartion on this with scripture if possible.
I think with more details i can get what your saying, because right now i cant comprehend.lol im trying not too. every response takes time for me to write. The Holy Spirit is wonderful! im very happy with the things that i have learned recently. lol
I agree, The Holy Spirit very well can use the members!Good night
Note: 2:17am
Hello SF,
I see your 'light' on…go to bed. What time zone are you in?Quote But i dont get that procreated? so Jesus was begotten before he was made flesh? Why do you think that the Son is called the Firstborn of all creation in Col 1?
Col 1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
NASUAlso, how does one become the firstborn? See here:
Deu 21:17 NET
Rather, he must acknowledge the son of the less loved 1 wife as firstborn and give him the double portion 2 of all he has, for that son is the beginning of his father’s procreative power 3 – to him should go the right of the firstborn.I believe that He was begotten before He was made flesh. Go to bed and think over this. Let me know what you think later.
G'nite
Hi SF,
I know that you have seen this. I just wanted to remind you.I'm just wondering what you think.
God bless!
Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2010,05:48) Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2010,02:07) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 23 2010,02:17) Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2010,13:45) Hi SF, I'm glad we are agreeing on something. That's always nice
About your comments:
Quote t doesnt make since, How can you be full God, and NOT be God. From what your telling me, its like he took a seed and just planted it, and that seed came from him. is that what your saying? yet this seed has no diffrent distingush from God, displays the very same morals, characther, choices and ethics,. They have no difference in personality, and yet say they are not one and the same.
How can someone be fully God and not be God? By being procreated by the Most High God, one can be the begotten God. I don't know how the procreation happened within the Most High God, but the one who designed asexual reproduction would not find it hard to procreate by Himself.
That is all I have time for now. Remember not to stay up too late:) I often listen to my podcasts on my iPod when my mind would otherwise not want to rest and let me sleep. The podcasts help me think about something else. It is good that HN is helping you dig deeper into scripture…let the Holy Spirit lead you and not the members of HN, ok? The Holy Spirit may use the members though.
G'nite!
Ya im glad we agree on something too. =)It just makes the process of understanding you just so much smoother, because we can dont have to back track to debate another topic that we already agreed on.
I dont want it to be that i took a step forward and than took two steps back.
lol we can continue and not have to go back and reargue something. finally discussing with someone who doesnt speak in circles. You have no idea, how much i look forward to your posts. even though we can disagree, your clear. I can understand you.
=) to continue
But i dont get that procreated? so Jesus was begotten before he was made flesh?
so your saying that God is Asexual. You see when i learnd about Asexuality, it meant that the being, made another being thats is exactly like the other.Idk. You see i agree that Jesus was begotten in Flesh, but you make it seem that he was created before created in flesh.
Yet he is full God but not God. Idk….i would like for your elaboartion on this with scripture if possible.
I think with more details i can get what your saying, because right now i cant comprehend.lol im trying not too. every response takes time for me to write. The Holy Spirit is wonderful! im very happy with the things that i have learned recently. lol
I agree, The Holy Spirit very well can use the members!Good night
Note: 2:17am
Hello SF,
I see your 'light' on…go to bed. What time zone are you in?Quote But i dont get that procreated? so Jesus was begotten before he was made flesh? Why do you think that the Son is called the Firstborn of all creation in Col 1?
Col 1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
NASUAlso, how does one become the firstborn? See here:
Deu 21:17 NET
Rather, he must acknowledge the son of the less loved 1 wife as firstborn and give him the double portion 2 of all he has, for that son is the beginning of his father’s procreative power 3 – to him should go the right of the firstborn.I believe that He was begotten before He was made flesh. Go to bed and think over this. Let me know what you think later.
G'nite
Hi SF,
I know that you have seen this. I just wanted to remind you.I'm just wondering what you think.
God bless!
lol the first conclusion without claims that i find that is correct.I have read it.
what do i think.
Im considering it.Im trying to comprehend the very idea,
even though Jehovah Jr. aspect doesnt fit,I still think that there is more truth to the verse that was provided.
The image of the invisible God.
hmm i have alot to think abuot.Im still thinking how to respond to it exactly.
to be honest =)again im considering your points.
Much love,
=)
(Stalker just kidding)
Hi SF,
Dream no more.
God was IN HIM reconciling the world to Himself.[2Cor5]
Treat truth as precious- the word is the revelation of God which men have abused.Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2010,16:07) Take your time SF. Thanks for your consideration on the matter.
Blessings!
I took alot of thinking into this.First born of creation- i think this should be a thread.
Quote
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
I was thinking alot, and considering context. I started to see how Paul made a comparison here. First he mentioned somethings and exhortions to the church in the begeing of the book. I notice that even in Phillipians Paul uses the speech “In whom” Many times i have used this part to show people that everytime he mentions we should be like Jesus, he goes into detail about how Jesus is or who he is.
than 14. he tells how we are redeeme by him.
15. image, is a limited state, so we could say physical, of the invisble God, the firt born of all creation. before all.
16: Jesus created everything. even the invisible by him and for him.
17. before all, everything consists through him.
18. Head of Church, first of the dead to live.
19. all fullness dwell in him.
20. reconciled by him, for himself, earth or in heaven.
21. we were enemies, now reconciled.i kindof just wanted to mention my small thoughts about it above for you can kindof see how i see it.
Observations.
>Paul writes as if Jesus was the creator.
>Paul made a comparsion between The begginging of time and our reconcilation.
>Paul writes as if the Image, as a resperation of God, note: he did not say like the image of God, for ex: Man.
>When time began, Jesus existed. revelations. Alpha Omega.
>Jesus created everything, by him-for himself. not for someone.
>He is literally before all, and that all life and power that was mentioned consisted of him. (breath of life?) (bread of life) (never thirst again)
>Paul writes implying that Jesus is life.
>It please the father that All fullness dwell in him. (its please yaweh to crush him)
>Comparison between the Church with the Begining. in other words as he is the creator of the begginging he is also the head of the church. the first one to live again,
>All things have preeminence, in other words that he may be Superior in ALL THINGS, everything!
>The blood of the cross made peace,
>Major note: Notice how it keeps on talkign about first, it doesnt say it literally, but notice, how it continues to say, the first of all creation, the first of the dead, the first, this and that. before everything, everything came from and and his for him. In other words, there is a concept that is obessed with being First. only God should be First in our lives.Conclusion, Paul is telling me that Jesus is the Creator of the world, and that He is God himself.
espeacilly in comparison in other scripture, like John 1:1 and revelations, and other scriptures that speak of the Alpha and the omega. the study of Melchisdek also having no father or mother.
Notice many say that Melchedek himself is Jesus the high preist. who had no father no mother. no father?
Intresting.
What do you think? im sure someone will disagree. but from what i read, thats what i see. I thought the father was the creator of all things, thank you for showing me that it was actually Jesus.
Much love lighten up!!
=)Hi SF,
No …the Lord is the Spirit.He is the firstborn son of God enlivened and led by the Spirit of God.
God has given him brethren reborn of the same SpiritQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,19:36) Hi SF,
No …the Lord is the Spirit.He is the firstborn son of God enlivened and led by the Spirit of God.
God has given him brethren reborn of the same Spirit
Well nick, i would agree if that scripture taht paul wrote said that.God is spirit. I agree.
Is God physical? no
Are you saying that the ALL POWERFUL GOD, CANNOT BE PHYSICAL?
is that what ur saying nick?
Nick your stating things
that this scripture, did not say.
Im only offering conclusions based on what intent Paul wanted to reach to.
He painted a picture, and i saw, observed and examined,
and this is what i saw my beloved brother,
Did paul say those things?Hi SF,
Any theology based on what God might be able to do has no future.
We are meant to study the scriptures and seek the guidance of the Spirit Who wrote them.Scripture does say that God is not a man that he would lie.
Paul did write in Romans 8 that the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God and Jesus fulfills those criteria.
Peter said in Acts 10 that God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power and he went about doing good and healing those oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.Yet somehow folks think he was that God or did things in his own powers.
Paul called Jesus the firstborn among many brethren in Rom8.29.
Does that help?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,20:30) Hi SF,
Any theology based on what God might be able to do has no future.
We are meant to study the scriptures and seek the guidance of the Spirit Who wrote them.Scripture does say that God is not a man that he would lie.
Paul did write in Romans 8 that the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God and Jesus fulfills those criteria.
Peter said in Acts 10 that God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power and he went about doing good and healing those oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.Yet somehow folks think he was that God or did things in his own powers.
Paul called Jesus the firstborn among many brethren in Rom8.29.
Does that help?
Wow you really went out of your way to speak more directly to me? thank you. it shows that you care. may we continue in such a conversation, this is a real conversation. im enjoying it very much.You care about me! =)
I agree.
God cannot lie.
What God might be able to do has no future very true.
but none of those scriptures offer any means saying that Jesus is not God. He never said hey, im not God, wrong guy.
We are to be exactly like Christ, WHy would God want us to do that, isnt Christ just like God, morally, characterisicly, by choices, and nature.He wants us to be like this Person yet not him? IF he is just the Son, shouldnt he be different in personaltiy, ethcis and choices. no two people can sing exactly alike.
have you ever heard how music is played with voices. to make one voice sound like a multitude, you cannot just copy and paste the voice, you have to rerecord, sing the same thing and than add it. why? becaues even though you just redid what you did before, its not exactly alike, so it will echo. If you were to jsut copy and paste, than it will just get louder, becasue its exactly alike.
Isnt Jesus, personality, ethics, and choices exactly like Gods?
I am very famliar with Those verse, observe my signature =)
Romans 8:28
God wants to be first in our lives, how does he accomplish this by putting Christ first?Hi SF,
Jesus told the Jews the Father was the One they called God.[Jn8.54]and we should believe him.We are warned against speculation[1tim1,2tim1] and since trinity is not taught in scripture it is of that ilk.
The similarity between Jesus and his God is because he was filled with his Father's Spirit at the Jordan.[Lk4.1, Jn3.34]
He fully manifested the gifts and fruit of God's Spirit[Gal5, 1Cor12]and we too should seek that fulness of grace[2Peter1].
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,20:46) Hi SF,
Jesus told the Jews the Father was the One thy called God.[Jn8.54]
We are warned against speculation[1tim1] and since trinity is not taught in scripture it is of that ilk.The similarity between Jesus and his God is because he was filled with his Father's Spirit at the Jordan.[Lk4.1, Jn3.34]
He fully manifested the gifts and fruit of God's Spirit.[Gal5, 1Cor12]
I didnt mention Trinity.
All i posted, was the analysis Paul gave.
You tell me,
was Jesus the creator of this world?
i thuoght the Father was the creator?its either someon is lieing, or its the same person.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,20:50) Hi SF,
Now the Lord is the Spirit.[2Cor3]
The Spirit creates.[Ps 104]
What is Spirit?
How does the Spirit create the Physical?Hi SF,
God is Spirit.
He sends His Spirit and they are created and He renews the face of the earth.[Ps104]Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2010,20:56) Hi SF,
God is Spirit.
He sends His Spirit and they are created and He renews the face of the earth.[Ps104]
How does the eternal affect the temporal, is this a limitation?
His spirit is eternal, yet creates what temporal?Hi SF,
Scripture says so.
Is that not enough for you?
Most try to understand the eternal from the temporal.This is uselessness
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2010,19:36) Hi SF,
Scripture says so.
Is that not enough for you?
Most try to understand the eternal from the temporal.This is uselessness
Is it useless to say that Jesus is the image of the invisible God?
Scripture says that too.
the temporal of the eternal =)
yet the temporal Jesus created everything….
It will always be enough for me.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 22 2010,05:31)
Again, you have to put the shoe on the other foot. If i believe That Jesus and God are one, in other words it makes more sense to me that Gods name, the name that was given to Jesus, is one and the same.Just because He is talking to someone, doesnt disprove anything. It shows a relationship. Maybe you should read the other responses i made.
and your Second point,
lol and Jesus doesnt mean the son of God for your information. why dont you look up what Jesus means. and than respond back again. …
much love bro,
and let me know when you made up the new thread.
Hi SF,Jesus having God's name is easily understood in The Hebrew language.
God's name is [יה] YÄ, and Jesus name is [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă.
Notice how [יה] YÄ is part of [יה שוע] YÄ-shü-ă?Jesus’ authentic Name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in
the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew
יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of “GOD the Father”=117.
[יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name. (Psalm 83:18)[יהשוע המשיח] YÄ-shü-ă hä-Mäh-shē-äkh means “Jesus the messiah”. Messiah means anointed. (see bottom)
(Phil. 2:9,11: Wherefore [Holy Spirit=151] has highly exalted [Jesus=74] giving Him a name
which is above every name, to the glory of [GOD The Father=117].) Neither is there salvation
in any other name: for there is no other name given among men (יהשוע), whereby we must be
saved. (Acts 4:12) People speaking fluent Hebrew know that in essence, [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă
means: “YÄ is Savior”. The Name of [GOD=26] is [“יהוה”=26] spoken as [YÄ=26]; and “YÄ-hä-vā”!“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117, (117=”יהוה האלהים” YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm)!
And He is Savior to all who walk the ground! “JEHOVAH GOD”; and there is ‘NO’ other!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS> The oil used in anointing was “Olive”=63 oil. (Ex.30:24)
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible=63” is “YHVH”=63.
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