Answering jodi lee's nonsense

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,13:48)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2010,03:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,03:06) Hi WJ, So your tradition rules decide over what is written? You were promised by Jesus you could do greater things than he did.[jn14.12] do you believe this? NH I dont believe it the way you do. Jesus is not speaking of believers as individuals. He is speaking of his corporate Body that through the Holy Spirit could perform miracles all over the world at the same time. Is there any Apostle that you read of in the Bible that did greater acts than Jesus? Didn't think so. Yet you are so arrogant that you believe you can. When is the last time you fed 5000 with two loaves of bread and a few fish? To top it off you make yourself equal to Jesus by saying that “YOU” can have all the fulness of the infinite God in you. Another attempt to show that Jesus is just a mere man like us. Do you have the Spirit without measure? Has or will there ever be a time when the fulness of Deity resides in you in bodily form? You are from outerspace also like some others here! WJ Hi WJ, Is it arrogance to believe what Jesus said? In what way does the body of Christ do GREATER THINGS than Jesus did ]Jn14.12] and when did this not involve individual components of the body? Paul said in Eph 3.19 “..that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God” so is it him rather than me that you judge as making himself equal to Jesus?

NH

The context of Eph 3 is speaking “Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named“, vs 15.

Do you or anybody have the Holy Spirit without measure?

Is all the fulness of Deity in you in bodily form, or will it ever be?

Get real man!

So apparantly you interpretation of Pauls words is not understood!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,13:48)

In what way does the body of Christ do GREATER THINGS than Jesus did ]Jn14.12] and when did this not involve individual components of the body?

NH

Well then tell us when this has ever happened believing it the way you do.

Are you greater than the 12 who were the foundation of the Church?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
It is not a matter of when it happened but that Jesus said it could.

Perhaps you making Jesus another GOD has stopped you accepting this?

If you were in the body of Christ you would not be doing all this competitive stuff between parts of that body.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,15:33)

Hi WJ, It is not a matter of when it happened but that Jesus said it could. Perhaps you making Jesus another GOD has stopped you accepting this? If you were in the body of Christ you would not be doing all this competitive stuff between parts of that body.

NH

Its a matter of what you think Jesus said and you didn't answer the questions!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So you think he was implying more than what is written that he said and on this basis are building another foundation? Do you have to add your embellishments to preserve your traditional dogmas?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,17:11)

Hi WJ, So you think he was implying more than what is written that he said and on this basis are building another foundation? Do you have to add your embellishments to preserve your traditional dogmas?

NH

It is you that denys the scriptures that says “all the fullness of Deity resides in Jesus!

It is you that denys that Jesus is the only man to have the Spirit without measure!

You think that a finite man can have all the “Fullness of Deity” residing in him.

Ah, but you have to think that way because if you didn't then it would mean that Jesus is more than us. You see Jesus as a mere man that we can follow, by serving a servant Messiah.

Flawed logic and not at all scriptural! How did Moses and everyone else before Jesus came in the flesh follow God?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So God fully expressed his Spirit in and through His Son.
He was a wonderful vessel for God to use.
I am glad you accept these things

Are you having trouble aligning these verses?
The stumbling stone of trinity trips you up

So is it not wonderful also what Paul said in Eph 3 or do you not agree with him?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,18:09)

Hi WJ, So God fully expressed his Spirit in and through His Son.

NH

That is not what the scritpures say, they say Jesus has the Spirit without measure! But guess what, the Father has the Spirit without measure also!

So again, can any single man have the Spirit of God without measure? Eph 3 is speaking of the corporate body!

Or are you going to just keep going in circles?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
The Spirit is of God and proceeds from God
Jn15
When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

Are you too unworthy to be blessed as Paul spoke of in Eph3.19?
Come to the real Jesus

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2010,09:48)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,17:11) Hi WJ, So you think he was implying more than what is written that he said and on this basis are building another foundation? Do you have to add your embellishments to preserve your traditional dogmas? NH It is you that denys the scriptures that says “all the fullness of Deity resides in Jesus! It is you that denys that Jesus is the only man to have the Spirit without measure! You think that a finite man can have all the “Fullness of Deity” residing in him. Ah, but you have to think that way because if you didn't then it would mean that Jesus is more than us. You see Jesus as a mere man that we can follow, by serving a servant Messiah. Flawed logic and not at all scriptural! How did Moses and everyone else before Jesus came in the flesh follow God? WJ

Hi WJ:

He said “all power over heaven, and earth has been given unto me”, and he is head of the church, and he is in “the form of God”
as God's representative to humanity and no man can be reconciled to God except through him, but nevertheless, he is as you acknowledge, a man, and not God.  Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.

As I said before, I pray that God would bless you and your family because I believe that you are a sincere Christian, but my blessings are not on what you teach.  I do not see where the teaching of a pre-existing Jesus would keep someone from being saved, but the teaching of the “trinity” more than likely will, and I cannot be a partaker of this by blessing what you teach, and so, I pray that God will give you revelation knowledge of the truth so that you will be blessed indeed.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2010,09:48)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,17:11) Hi WJ, So you think he was implying more than what is written that he said and on this basis are building another foundation? Do you have to add your embellishments to preserve your traditional dogmas? NH It is you that denys the scriptures that says “all the fullness of Deity resides in Jesus! It is you that denys that Jesus is the only man to have the Spirit without measure! You think that a finite man can have all the “Fullness of Deity” residing in him. Ah, but you have to think that way because if you didn't then it would mean that Jesus is more than us. You see Jesus as a mere man that we can follow, by serving a servant Messiah. Flawed logic and not at all scriptural! How did Moses and everyone else before Jesus came in the flesh follow God? WJ

Hi WJ,
Define FINITE MAN for us.
Is it in scripture?
Man is.

“one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ”

Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil for God was with him.[from Acts10.38]

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,20:52)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2010,09:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,17:11) Hi WJ, So you think he was implying more than what is written that he said and on this basis are building another foundation? Do you have to add your embellishments to preserve your traditional dogmas? NH It is you that denys the scriptures that says “all the fullness of Deity resides in Jesus! It is you that denys that Jesus is the only man to have the Spirit without measure! You think that a finite man can have all the “Fullness of Deity” residing in him. Ah, but you have to think that way because if you didn't then it would mean that Jesus is more than us. You see Jesus as a mere man that we can follow, by serving a servant Messiah. Flawed logic and not at all scriptural! How did Moses and everyone else before Jesus came in the flesh follow God? WJ Hi WJ, Define FINITE MAN for us. Is it in scripture? Man is. “one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ” Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil for God was with him.[from Acts10.38]

NH

Do I have to? You do know the difference don't you?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 25 2010,18:44)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2010,09:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,17:11) Hi WJ, So you think he was implying more than what is written that he said and on this basis are building another foundation? Do you have to add your embellishments to preserve your traditional dogmas? NH It is you that denys the scriptures that says “all the fullness of Deity resides in Jesus! It is you that denys that Jesus is the only man to have the Spirit without measure! You think that a finite man can have all the “Fullness of Deity” residing in him. Ah, but you have to think that way because if you didn't then it would mean that Jesus is more than us. You see Jesus as a mere man that we can follow, by serving a servant Messiah. Flawed logic and not at all scriptural! How did Moses and everyone else before Jesus came in the flesh follow God? WJ Hi WJ: He said “all power over heaven, and earth has been given unto me”, and he is head of the church, and he is in “the form of God” as God's representative to humanity and no man can be reconciled to God except through him, but nevertheless, he is as you acknowledge, a man, and not God.  Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man. As I said before, I pray that God would bless you and your family because I believe that you are a sincere Christian, but my blessings are not on what you teach.  I do not see where the teaching of a pre-existing Jesus would keep someone from being saved, but the teaching of the “trinity” more than likely will, and I cannot be a partaker of this by blessing what you teach, and so, I pray that God will give you revelation knowledge of the truth so that you will be blessed indeed. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

My prayer is God will show you who the real Jesus is!

Blessings Keith

[KangarooJack]

Marty said to WJ:

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Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.

Marty,

You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

WorshippingJesus said to Nick:

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That is not what the scritpures say, they say Jesus has the Spirit without measure! But guess what, the Father has the Spirit without measure also!

thinker

[terraricca]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:35)

WorshippingJesus said to Nick: Quote That is not what the scritpures say, they say Jesus has the Spirit without measure! But guess what, the Father has the Spirit without measure also! thinker

tt

WERE IS THAT VERSE THAT GOD AS THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MESURE?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,13:42)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:35) WorshippingJesus said to Nick: Quote That is not what the scritpures say, they say Jesus has the Spirit without measure! But guess what, the Father has the Spirit without measure also! thinker tt WERE IS THAT VERSE THAT GOD AS THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MESURE?

T

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. do you think that he is limited?

WJ

[princess of the king]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29)

Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man. Marty, You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament. thinker

Thinker, what reasoning can you portray that the divine almighty would need to come to earth?

We all are sons and daughters, we are not the begotten, we will not sit at his right, we do have our place within the kingdom.

Portraying(*) the divine as you do, human at times not at other times, is not logically whatsoever. He does not change.

[princess of the king]

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The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. do you think that he is limited?

Apparently you do WJ, For you give the divine almighty over to the son.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,13:59)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man. Marty, You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament. thinker Thinker, what reasoning can you portray that the divine almighty would need to come to earth? We all are sons and daughters, we are not the begotten, we will not sit at his right, we do have our place within the kingdom. Portraying(*) the divine as you do, human at times not at other times, is not logically whatsoever. He does not change.

POK

You are the one saying that God can change when you say he cannot appear in human form.

Jack is saying that he has not changed in that he did appear in human form in the OT and that Jesus is God appearing again.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name “Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Trinitarians are fulfilling this scripture by calling him “Emmanuel” by saying Jesus is God with us!

WJ

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