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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,15:28) Hi RM,
John was sent from God[Jn1]
Was he GOD?
No because he wasn't The Only Begotten Son of God like Jesus was.lol, where does this guy get this stuff?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,16:03) Hi RM,
So only sons of God are also God?
Are you in the monogenes Son?
Does that make you God ?
I am an adopted son of God.
Angels are sons of God in the same fashion.Only Christ is the monogene of YHVH.
So no, sons of God aren't also God.
Only Jesus christ is his “monogene” therefore just as much God as YHVH himself.The fullness of the deity…remember that.
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Hi RM,
Become one with the Son of God.
In him is light and eternal life
Be baptised into Christ.[Gal]Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,14:58) To come from God would mean you are also God.
Hi RokkaMan,What causes you to make this assumption?
Are ambassadors sent from the U.S.A., The U.S.A.?Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,20:48) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,14:58) To come from God would mean you are also God.
Hi RokkaMan,What causes you to make this assumption?
Are ambassadors sent from the U.S.A., The U.S.A.?
Wrong analogy.A better one would be…a leaf drawn from a tree is just as much tree as the tree itself.
Even though the leaf is not the actual tree.
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 29 2010,08:03) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,20:48) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,14:58) To come from God would mean you are also God.
Hi RokkaMan,What causes you to make this assumption?
Are ambassadors sent from the U.S.A., The U.S.A.?
Wrong analogy.A better one would be…a leaf drawn from a tree is just as much tree as the tree itself.
Even though the leaf is not the actual tree.
Hi RokkaMan,You mean like a rain drop that comes from the sky is just as much sky as the sky itself?
Even though the rain drop is not the actual sky.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,16:03) Hi RM,
So only sons of God are also God?
Are you in the monogenes Son?
Does that make you God ?
Nick,You know the truth so quit playing dumb. The name “monogenes” in reference to Jesus means that He is the only Son who is after God's kind. Therefore He is God.
KJ
Hi KJ,
Have you become one with him yet?
Are you a son of God yet?Stop talking about him and join with him.
Your preaching is different to his so you make yourself his enemy.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 29 2010,08:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,16:03) Hi RM,
So only sons of God are also God?
Are you in the monogenes Son?
Does that make you God ?
Nick,You know the truth so quit playing dumb. The name “monogenes” in reference to Jesus means that He is the only Son who is after God's kind. Therefore He is God.
KJ
Hi Jack,Are you forgetting he was born after Mary's kind too (A.K.A.: Son of Man).
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,14:58) Quote (942767 @ June 28 2010,14:46) Hi RM: You say:
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The only way for Jesus to of trully and fully ONLY been a human man, is if he were capable of following his own God given independant will.Again, God does not control anyone. Jesus did have a “free will”. He chose to obey God because it was the only way that you and I could be saved.
Also, the angels have a “free will”. I believe that they obey God because they know how wonderful He is.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The devil drew 1/3 of the angels out of heaven.
Yes they have a free will, and some have exercised it against God.Jesus so too has a free will, but is in complete obedience to The Father.
The only way for him to be powerful enough to be completely obedient is if he were from God himself.
And we know he is because it is a requisite to our faith.
No man has ever come from God himself, not even Adam.
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To come from God would mean you are also God.
In the same light as if water came from the ocean, that water so too is ocean water.
Hi RM:The scripture actually says stars of heaven, and not angels. You must also remember that there is a lot of symbolism in the book of Revelation.
Quote Revelation 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Notice that the “dragon stood before the womand which was ready to be delivered to devour her child as soon as it was born”. This refers to King Herod.
It does say angels here:
Quote Revelation 12:9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Notice that the devil or Satan who is shown being cast out heaven is shown deceiving the whole world, and angels are not necessarily angelic being, but messengers of Satan.
Quote 1 Co 11:13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The dragon having 7 heads and ten horns:
Revelation 12
Quote 3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads Revelation 17:
Quote 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 29 2010,10:29) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,14:58) Quote (942767 @ June 28 2010,14:46) Hi RM: You say:
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The only way for Jesus to of trully and fully ONLY been a human man, is if he were capable of following his own God given independant will.Again, God does not control anyone. Jesus did have a “free will”. He chose to obey God because it was the only way that you and I could be saved.
Also, the angels have a “free will”. I believe that they obey God because they know how wonderful He is.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The devil drew 1/3 of the angels out of heaven.
Yes they have a free will, and some have exercised it against God.Jesus so too has a free will, but is in complete obedience to The Father.
The only way for him to be powerful enough to be completely obedient is if he were from God himself.
And we know he is because it is a requisite to our faith.
No man has ever come from God himself, not even Adam.
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To come from God would mean you are also God.
In the same light as if water came from the ocean, that water so too is ocean water.
Hi RM:The scripture actually says stars of heaven, and not angels. You must also remember that there is a lot of symbolism in the book of Revelation.
Quote Revelation 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Notice that the “dragon stood before the womand which was ready to be delivered to devour her child as soon as it was born”. This refers to King Herod.
It does say angels here:
Quote Revelation 12:9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Notice that the devil or Satan who is shown being cast out heaven is shown deceiving the whole world, and angels are not necessarily angelic being, but messengers of Satan.
Quote 1 Co 11:13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The dragon having 7 heads and ten horns:
Revelation 12
Quote 3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads Revelation 17:
Quote 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
My folly for saying 1/3 of heavens angel but my point is still valid.Angels have the power to defy God even if they do not have the authority to do so.
The devil was cast out, and his angels were god's angels that followed him for they were present in heaven.
Also, the devil is an angel himself who defied God.
So again, my point was and is still valid.
Hi RM”:
Angels have a “free will” and apparently some did sin as we see from Jude and 2 peter, but they are not cast out into the earth, but are somewhere awaiting judgment day.
Quote Jude 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Quote 2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; The devil is a spirit who uses men as his messengers.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 29 2010,12:16) Hi RM”: Angels have a “free will” and apparently some did sin as we see from Jude and 2 peter, but they are not cast out into the earth, but are somewhere awaiting judgment day.
Quote Jude 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Quote 2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; The devil is a spirit who uses men as his messengers.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I never said they were cast into the earth.I simply said they were cast OUT OF HEAVEN.
Did you not read my post?
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 29 2010,18:36) Quote (942767 @ June 29 2010,12:16) Hi RM”: Angels have a “free will” and apparently some did sin as we see from Jude and 2 peter, but they are not cast out into the earth, but are somewhere awaiting judgment day.
Quote Jude 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Quote 2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; The devil is a spirit who uses men as his messengers.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I never said they were cast into the earth.I simply said they were cast OUT OF HEAVEN.
Did you not read my post?
Hi RM:Were your referring to Revelation 12 when your made this statement?
Quote The devil drew 1/3 of the angels out of heaven.
Yes they have a free will, and some have exercised it against God.Quote Rev 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 30 2010,08:02) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 29 2010,18:36) Quote (942767 @ June 29 2010,12:16) Hi RM”: Angels have a “free will” and apparently some did sin as we see from Jude and 2 peter, but they are not cast out into the earth, but are somewhere awaiting judgment day.
Quote Jude 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Quote 2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; The devil is a spirit who uses men as his messengers.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I never said they were cast into the earth.I simply said they were cast OUT OF HEAVEN.
Did you not read my post?
Hi RM:Were your referring to Revelation 12 when your made this statement?
Quote The devil drew 1/3 of the angels out of heaven.
Yes they have a free will, and some have exercised it against God.Quote Rev 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Love in Christ,
Marty
I was referring to –Revelation 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
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Here it shows Satan, and his angels (God's angels that were deceived in worshipping satan in whom they followed) were casted out of heaven unto the earth.
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 21 2010,16:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2010,05:38) Quote (JustAskin @ June 20 2010,09:41) There is no paradox in the Scriptures except what you read into it
Hi JustAskin,Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first,
and there are first which shall be last.Matt.10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he
that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.Read Eccl 9:16-18
And Eccl 10:3.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Isaiah 60 13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Amen brother for finding the paradoxes litered in scripture.
Now if only he can see the paradox that we call Jesus Christ.
God in flesh.John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 3:16″For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Another paradox? Son = Father
No! Another lie!
Word = Son
God = FatherSon = begotten from the Father
Son of God in “flesh”; not God in flesh.
David
Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,14:29) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 21 2010,16:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2010,05:38) Quote (JustAskin @ June 20 2010,09:41) There is no paradox in the Scriptures except what you read into it
Hi JustAskin,Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first,
and there are first which shall be last.Matt.10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he
that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.Read Eccl 9:16-18
And Eccl 10:3.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Isaiah 60 13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Amen brother for finding the paradoxes litered in scripture.
Now if only he can see the paradox that we call Jesus Christ.
God in flesh.John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 3:16″For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Another paradox? Son = Father
No! Another lie!
Word = Son
God = FatherSon = begotten from the Father
Son of God in “flesh”; not God in flesh.
David
Hi David-be-fun,Try to line things up correctly!
Word=Jesus owner=Jesus
The Word=God The Owner=JehovahGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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