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George wrote:
Quote If your reasoning is that he destroyed them because of their evil; what is keeping us alive?
His kindness and patience with us that stems from his ability to suffer our evil action why hoping that we change. Romans 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:15
Never the less God states those who are not in the Anointed One are under the his wrath, Ephesians 2:3 and John 3:36.
Eight were saved from the Great Deluge and thus serve as an example of those God rescues from his wrath. Scripture states the ungodly perished, 2 Peter 2:5.
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2010,16:11) Terrarica, I do not see the reasoning you are using. Could you please walk me through it? Thank you!
KWGe 6:1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
2Pe 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day
pay attention to gen;6-it says when men start to increase on earth and the daughters as well and that the sons of God(angels) looking at them they were beautiful
then in gen6;3 God as to make plans to stop this wickedness on the earth that were God find Noah righteous and saved him and is family.
by using the flood God destroyed all living thing on the earth
this means the nephylims(giands) the giants,but they were half breeds so the human part died but not the spirit part but they could not stay in they flesh because it was now dieing,of cause those were the children of those angels who corrupt themselves,so those children spirits became demons,and the angel became corrupt spirits beings.now if you read 1 Peter and Jude1;6 again you can understand why the flood was called by God not because of men but because of the corruption of angels,those angels were the ones who have been interacting whit men right from the beginning to help them if needed.
this is why God plans from there on to fix all thing and seal it whit the first prophesy; Ge 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”you can also read Enoch book this could help you as well.
(this also is part of greek methology)Terraricca,
You have some scriptures that you are tying together with a whole lot of stuff that is simply not written in scripture. Where is it written that the nephylim who perished in the Great Deluge became demons? I also get the idea you believe all nephylim perished and yet scriptures speaks of their descendants existing after the Great Deluge. These descendants though giants compared with other men were among those the tribes of Israel vanquished from the land of Canaan.
It is possible that you are getting these teachings from one of the various books of Enoch that are currently floating around. I have tested some and found they disagree with scripture. I believe at one time there was a valid copy but I do not know if we have access to it in this age.
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2010,22:19) George wrote: Quote If your reasoning is that he destroyed them because of their evil; what is keeping us alive?
His kindness and patience with us that stems from his ability to suffer our evil action why hoping that we change. Romans 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:15
Never the less God states those who are not in the Anointed One are under the his wrath, Ephesians 2:3 and John 3:36.
Eight were saved from the Great Deluge and thus serve as an example of those God rescues from his wrath. Scripture states the ungodly perished, 2 Peter 2:5.
What you're saying is; God is very selective who he will save, and who will not be saved.
Did not Jesus die for all?
Who is all?
Yes, the ungodly “will” perish, the question is, when?Georg
George,
This scripture answers your question.
John 3:16-21(NIV) reads:
Quote “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
As you can see, according to this scripture Jesus did come to save the world but only those who choose to believe in him will be saved.
I assure you God also tried to save the people of Noah’s time but only Noah, his wife, and their three sons as well as their wives believed and thus heeded the warning. I believe Noah preached to the people even as preparing for the flood as 2 Peter 2:5 calls him a righteous preacher.
Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2010,21:18) George, This scripture answers your question.
John 3:16-21(NIV) reads:
Quote “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
As you can see, according to this scripture Jesus did come to save the world but only those who choose to believe in him will be saved.
I assure you God also tried to save the people of Noah’s time but only Noah, his wife, and their three sons as well as their wives believed and thus heeded the warning. I believe Noah preached to the people even as preparing for the flood as 2 Peter 2:5 calls him a righteous preacher.
KerwinWho are these angels?
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
And why are they compared to Sodom and Gomorrah?
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Why is Peter talking about the angels that sinned, and about Noah and his family that were saved, at the same time?
2Pe 2:4 ¶ For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Peter too, talks about Sodom and Gomorrah, and yet Jesus said that they would have an easier time in the resurrection than the cities in Judea.
Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Doesn't this show that all will have an opportunity to get to know the Lord? regardless of whether they never knew him or rejected him now?
And what does this scripture mean?2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
When is that day of judgement? and what does it mean?
Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ April 29 2010,21:49) Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2010,21:18) George, This scripture answers your question.
John 3:16-21(NIV) reads:
Quote “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
As you can see, according to this scripture Jesus did come to save the world but only those who choose to believe in him will be saved.
I assure you God also tried to save the people of Noah’s time but only Noah, his wife, and their three sons as well as their wives believed and thus heeded the warning. I believe Noah preached to the people even as preparing for the flood as 2 Peter 2:5 calls him a righteous preacher.
KerwinWho are these angels?
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
And why are they compared to Sodom and Gomorrah?
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Why is Peter talking about the angels that sinned, and about Noah and his family that were saved, at the same time?
2Pe 2:4 ¶ For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Peter too, talks about Sodom and Gomorrah, and yet Jesus said that they would have an easier time in the resurrection than the cities in Judea.
Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Doesn't this show that all will have an opportunity to get to know the Lord? regardless of whether they never knew him or rejected him now?
And what does this scripture mean?2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
When is that day of judgement? and what does it mean?
Georg
KWgeorg as it right if you understand your scripture in Jn3;16-21
and understand all the scriptures georg is given you ,
none is in contradiction but complete each other.George wrote:
Quote Who are these angels?
I do not believe that scripture tells us that though there is a possibility that Revelations 12:4 speaks of it. Satan’s fall is also mentioned and is possibly linked to the fall of man in the Garden of Eden.
George wrote:
Quote And why are they compared to Sodom and Gomorrah?
That is not a comparison. That is an example. Both the angels and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were punished because of their ungodly behavior.
George wrote:
Quote Why is Peter talking about the angels that sinned, and about Noah and his family that were saved, at the same time?
He is not as he is instead speaking of two separate events sequentially. Like Jude, Peter is giving examples of God punishing the ungodly. Peter also includes God acting to rescue the godly from the fate of the ungodly.
George wrote:
Quote Peter too, talks about Sodom and Gomorrah, and yet Jesus said that they would have an easier time in the resurrection than the cities in Judea.
His point is that Sodom and Gomorrah, if given the same chance as the cities of Judea would have repented of their sins, Luke 10:12-14.
George wrote:
Quote Doesn't this show that all will have an opportunity to get to know the Lord? Regardless of whether they never knew him or rejected him now?
And what does this scripture mean?God judges each according to what they know. If you have heard the truth of the Anointed One and truly do not understand it then it is not unbelief because you did not comprehend. If you heard the truth and understood but denied its truth then you will be held accountable. If you have not heard the truth then that will be taken into account. Jesus was only speaking to those who heard and understood the truth.
kerwin
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
That is why every body has to be given a chance to get to know Jesus first.
Georg
George wrote:
Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This scripture is true but it brings a question to my mind. How was Abraham saved since he lived and died the first death long before Jesus was conceived?
George wrote:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This brings up another question which is how are those who died under the law justified?
I have my own answers to these but I would like to hear yours.
Quote (kerwin @ May 01 2010,09:10) George wrote: Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This scripture is true but it brings a question to my mind. How was Abraham saved since he lived and died the first death long before Jesus was conceived?
George wrote:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This brings up another question which is how are those who died under the law justified?
I have my own answers to these but I would like to hear yours.
KWyou live under the law you judge as you have done under the law,
the heart ,the heart,this is the key
Quote (kerwin @ May 01 2010,09:10) George wrote: Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This scripture is true but it brings a question to my mind. How was Abraham saved since he lived and died the first death long before Jesus was conceived?
George wrote:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This brings up another question which is how are those who died under the law justified?
I have my own answers to these but I would like to hear yours.
That is exactly what the millennium is for.
Judging means teaching, not condemning.
During the 1000 years of Christs reign, all that have died will be resurrected; God will “THEN” open the minds of all people so they can understand the truth; THAT IS NOT HAPPENING TODAY. That is why there is so much confusion, so many denominations; all that will change.
It is then, when you don't listen to the teaching of Christ, you will die again, Acts 3:23.
Abraham was saved by his faith in God, he will have no problem asking God for forgiveness for his sins; the same for all the other prophets, Heb. 11:39.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,13:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 01 2010,09:10) George wrote: Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This scripture is true but it brings a question to my mind. How was Abraham saved since he lived and died the first death long before Jesus was conceived?
George wrote:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This brings up another question which is how are those who died under the law justified?
I have my own answers to these but I would like to hear yours.
That is exactly what the millennium is for.
Judging means teaching, not condemning.
During the 1000 years of Christs reign, all that have died will be resurrected; God will “THEN” open the minds of all people so they can understand the truth; THAT IS NOT HAPPENING TODAY. That is why there is so much confusion, so many denominations; all that will change.
It is then, when you don't listen to the teaching of Christ, you will die again, Acts 3:23.
Abraham was saved by his faith in God, he will have no problem asking God for forgiveness for his sins; the same for all the other prophets, Heb. 11:39.Georg
georgyou right but i do not think it will be done during the millenium,
the first resurrection is for those who died in Christ,and only the first resurrection will be in the 1k
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years
Quote (terraricca @ May 01 2010,15:22) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,13:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 01 2010,09:10) George wrote: Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This scripture is true but it brings a question to my mind. How was Abraham saved since he lived and died the first death long before Jesus was conceived?
George wrote:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This brings up another question which is how are those who died under the law justified?
I have my own answers to these but I would like to hear yours.
That is exactly what the millennium is for.
Judging means teaching, not condemning.
During the 1000 years of Christs reign, all that have died will be resurrected; God will “THEN” open the minds of all people so they can understand the truth; THAT IS NOT HAPPENING TODAY. That is why there is so much confusion, so many denominations; all that will change.
It is then, when you don't listen to the teaching of Christ, you will die again, Acts 3:23.
Abraham was saved by his faith in God, he will have no problem asking God for forgiveness for his sins; the same for all the other prophets, Heb. 11:39.Georg
georgyou right but i do not think it will be done during the millenium,
the first resurrection is for those who died in Christ,and only the first resurrection will be in the 1k
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years
Then what will the millennium be for?
And who will the once sitting on thrones be judging?Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,15:49) Quote (terraricca @ May 01 2010,15:22) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,13:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 01 2010,09:10) George wrote: Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This scripture is true but it brings a question to my mind. How was Abraham saved since he lived and died the first death long before Jesus was conceived?
George wrote:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This brings up another question which is how are those who died under the law justified?
I have my own answers to these but I would like to hear yours.
That is exactly what the millennium is for.
Judging means teaching, not condemning.
During the 1000 years of Christs reign, all that have died will be resurrected; God will “THEN” open the minds of all people so they can understand the truth; THAT IS NOT HAPPENING TODAY. That is why there is so much confusion, so many denominations; all that will change.
It is then, when you don't listen to the teaching of Christ, you will die again, Acts 3:23.
Abraham was saved by his faith in God, he will have no problem asking God for forgiveness for his sins; the same for all the other prophets, Heb. 11:39.Georg
georgyou right but i do not think it will be done during the millenium,
the first resurrection is for those who died in Christ,and only the first resurrection will be in the 1k
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years
Then what will the millennium be for?
And who will the once sitting on thrones be judging?Georg
georgjudgement start with the Gods people,do you think by the time we die and so many have ,did we know really how to conduct our selves in all purity?
or how to practice in a open heart the love to our brothers,?or what to do wen the second resurrection will take place?
what type of city s we have to build?
how and who will be the guides and leaders?
wen Israel came at the promised land there was much to do and so i think it will be in the millenium
George,
It is true that Abraham and the other prophets of God are saved by their faith because they chose to believe what God states.
In fact all those that are saved under the law are also saved by faith which is why it is written the “righteous live by faith”.
Both Acts 4:12 and Galatians 2:16 were written after Jesus ascended to heaven and having faith in him, and so his words, demonstrates that you believe what God states just like Abraham did. If you reject him then you do not believe God.
In short anyone who believes what God states will be saved while those who do not believe him will perish.
Those who died outside the new covenant but who still believe what God states are made perfect along with those in the new covenant because their faith shows that they would believe. Hebrews 11:40.
I will let you and Terrarica discus the first resurrection and the millennium as I am unfamilliar with them.
terraricca and kerwin
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
The house of God, or the church of God, are the saints, they are the once that died for their faith.
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
They are the once you see mentioned in
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Notice, each and every one of them has come out of “GREAT TRIBULATION”; nowhere is there a mentioning of a “THE GREAT TRIBULATION”.
But, were they judged? yes they were; they were judged if they were worthy to be in the first resurrection. So, how will the rest of the world be judged if they are worthy to receive eternal life?
You and Nick insist by their works, or by the grace of God. Is that what Paul is teaching?Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (works).
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
The only way we can receive grace (undeserved forgiveness for our sins) is through our faith in Jesus Christ; and that is the only way any one else can receive grace.
So, I ask you again, how can all those being resurrected in the second resurrection, find forgiveness without repentance?
and how will they repent without faith?
and how can they have faith in some one they don't know?
and how will they know him unless someone teaches them?Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,22:56) terraricca and kerwin 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
The house of God, or the church of God, are the saints, they are the once that died for their faith.
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
They are the once you see mentioned in
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Notice, each and every one of them has come out of “GREAT TRIBULATION”; nowhere is there a mentioning of a “THE GREAT TRIBULATION”.
But, were they judged? yes they were; they were judged if they were worthy to be in the first resurrection. So, how will the rest of the world be judged if they are worthy to receive eternal life?
You and Nick insist by their works, or by the grace of God. Is that what Paul is teaching?Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (works).
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
The only way we can receive grace (undeserved forgiveness for our sins) is through our faith in Jesus Christ; and that is the only way any one else can receive grace.
So, I ask you again, how can all those being resurrected in the second resurrection, find forgiveness without repentance?
and how will they repent without faith?
and how can they have faith in some one they don't know?
and how will they know him unless someone teaches them?Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Georg
georgread rev 20;4,and read what i said
Paul talled for the 144k and some were he talled about the others.
Quote (terraricca @ May 02 2010,05:40) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,22:56) terraricca and kerwin 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
The house of God, or the church of God, are the saints, they are the once that died for their faith.
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
They are the once you see mentioned in
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Notice, each and every one of them has come out of “GREAT TRIBULATION”; nowhere is there a mentioning of a “THE GREAT TRIBULATION”.
But, were they judged? yes they were; they were judged if they were worthy to be in the first resurrection. So, how will the rest of the world be judged if they are worthy to receive eternal life?
You and Nick insist by their works, or by the grace of God. Is that what Paul is teaching?Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (works).
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
The only way we can receive grace (undeserved forgiveness for our sins) is through our faith in Jesus Christ; and that is the only way any one else can receive grace.
So, I ask you again, how can all those being resurrected in the second resurrection, find forgiveness without repentance?
and how will they repent without faith?
and how can they have faith in some one they don't know?
and how will they know him unless someone teaches them?Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Georg
georgread rev 20;4,and read what i said
Paul talled for the 144k and some were he talled about the others.
It is apparent that you don't pay any attention to the scriptures I give you; WHY?Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ May 02 2010,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ May 02 2010,05:40) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,22:56) terraricca and kerwin 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
The house of God, or the church of God, are the saints, they are the once that died for their faith.
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
They are the once you see mentioned in
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Notice, each and every one of them has come out of “GREAT TRIBULATION”; nowhere is there a mentioning of a “THE GREAT TRIBULATION”.
But, were they judged? yes they were; they were judged if they were worthy to be in the first resurrection. So, how will the rest of the world be judged if they are worthy to receive eternal life?
You and Nick insist by their works, or by the grace of God. Is that what Paul is teaching?Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (works).
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
The only way we can receive grace (undeserved forgiveness for our sins) is through our faith in Jesus Christ; and that is the only way any one else can receive grace.
So, I ask you again, how can all those being resurrected in the second resurrection, find forgiveness without repentance?
and how will they repent without faith?
and how can they have faith in some one they don't know?
and how will they know him unless someone teaches them?Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Georg
georgread rev 20;4,and read what i said
Paul talled for the 144k and some were he talled about the others.
It is apparent that you don't pay any attention to the scriptures I give you; WHY?Georg
georgi have read you scriptures but the question was ;what happen during the millenium?
all your quoted scriptures does support what is going on now until the return of Christ.
and the great crowed are all the righteous from Abel to the return of christ
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