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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2014,06:49) Hi WU,
Yes but you mentioned Jews who have to die twice did you not?
Nick.Yes;the jews that have been **chosen** in the kingdom will die twice.
1. Most are now dead.
2.They will be revived at the coming.
3.They will live an old age in the kingdom then die again.
4 In the second judgement they will be changed,all of them;
Because they were **chosen** in the first placewakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ May 10 2014,00:51) Hi Keras Can I just start here for now.
I will paste this first one.
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Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer [light bearer]. But greater than Lucifer, God begat Himself a Son called Jesus.
It was a sad day for God when Lucifer began to aspire to take over God's kingship. Lucifer said: “I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14. Then he convinced a third of the other angels to go with him in rebellion against God.
First of all, I do not accept that Lucifer was called a light bearer, because Jesus is the bearer of light. Jesus is the light.
Lucifer was called “Son of the Morning”Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
This translation should not be trusted. To give Lucifer a title that describes Jesus is very wrong on their behalf.
What do you think?
It is perhaps, unfortunate that I used the Latin name for Satan in that sentence. But he does have, and many other names, Lucifer is just one of them. I am not wrong; it simply means 'light bearer'. NOT 'light giver'!
I fully agree that Jesus 'is the Way, the Truth and the Light'.
I am interested to know if you disagree the sequence of end time events, as I set them out there. Bear in mind God expects us to use our common sense and logic, combined with prayer and careful study of the complete Word to come to an understanding of what will happen.
Please read my 'New writings' for my latest articles.Would Nick and Wakeup please show some restraint with their postings?
Hi Keras,
Lucifer appears once in scripture and is never said to relate to satan.
None could teach it.[2Cor 13.1-2]Hi,
Fom Keras's site-his thesis“Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer [light bearer]. But greater than Lucifer, God begat Himself a Son called Jesus.”
Lucifer is not a good start as the name appears once in scripture so a dodgy foundation.
God did not beget his Son of His Spirit till the jordan.
Jesus was named on earth.The site speaks of those who ACCEPT JESUS AS SAVIOUR as a popular new gospel proclaimed by men is taught.
The biggest warning needed for men to seek salvation by the narrow way of Jesus is not found.
So if it is preaching to the churchly but unsaved it serves no apparent purposeHi,
More from keras
“After 3½ years, the world leader will be assassinated, but his body will be taken over by Lucifer. Rev. 13:3-4 “Rev 13.3-4 speaks of a WOUNDING and not death and a takeover by a questionably name LUCIFER
Hi keras,
If you do not know and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ as presented by Peter in Acts 2 37-9
and understand how Acts demonstrated this in action
the rest you teach is vanity.seek ye first the kingdom and the rest will be added to you
Hi Keras,
If your view of the church is wrong then your warnings may be going to the unsaved who are under deception.
You would then be only making them aware of how the wrath of God will torment and destroy them.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2014,19:37) Hi Keras,
If your view of the church is wrong then your warnings may be going to the unsaved who are under deception.
You would then be only making them aware of how the wrath of God will torment and destroy them.
Well from my efforts to point out the Prophetic Word, I find 99% of church people are not interested, my pastors refuses to discuss end times and those who do actually think about it have very confused ideas of what God has planned for our future.
The unsaved will remain in their ignorance until the Day dawns, then God will make them aware of their doom.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2014,17:50) Hi Keras,
Lucifer appears once in scripture and is never said to relate to satan.
None could teach it.[2Cor 13.1-2]
It depends on your translation. As I said, Lucifer is a Latin word that does mean Satan. Call him what you want, the devil has many disguises!
This discussion is a typical one, going off the OP track into useless, pedantic arguments.Hi keras,
There are many words for satan used in Rev 12.9. Lucifer does no appear there.So if you would teach the the saved what is way of salvation?
Hi Keras,
We can move to another thread as this issue is far more vital than interpreting the propheciesQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2014,05:16) Hi keras,
There are many words for satan used in Rev 12.9. Lucifer does no appear there.So if you would teach the the saved what is way of salvation?
Isaiah 14:12-14 says 'Lucifer' in the KJV [ my REB says: Bright morning star…]
Also read Ezekiel 28:11b-15Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
But my message to you and all who would listen is; very soon there is coming a sudden and devastating fire from the sky, a CME sunstrike that will virtually clear out the entire Middle East and will destroy all our present modern infrastructure.
Isaiah 24:1-23 is one of best prophesies that details the reason for and the effect of this event.
On my free website, I have written many articles warning people and explaining about the 100 plus prophesies of this forthcoming worldwide disaster.Hi Keras,
Thank you“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. “
Paul said this in acts 16.31 but then taught them and baptised them
Acts 16
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Or has God changed the rules of entry since Pentecost?
Is intellectual assent now sufficient to enter ??
Where is this new gospel written?
Hi Keras,
I hope you do not mind your credentials in Christ Jesus being questioned.
If you have yet to join the kingdom should we look seriously at what you teach?Hi Keras,
Isaiah 14:12-14 says 'Lucifer' in the KJV [ my REB says: Bright morning star…]
Also read Ezekiel 28:11b-15No mention of Lucifer in Ez 28
Hi Keras,
It would be a great tragedy if you taught accurately about the future but failed to enter the kingdom yourself
God wants all to repent and be saved.But men cannot save themselves by nodding their heads
Nick, I take very seriously the warning in James 3:1. I am a baptised [full immersion] believer in Jesus.
My task, I believe given to me by God, is to point out the Prophetic Word, to try and present the prophesies in a simple, readable style.
I say: Believe the Bible? Then believe what it tells us about our future.
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