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So you are stuck on the false theory of all the wrath of God happening at the Return?
Does God make the holy Land desolate them? Why would He destroy and depopulate it then?
Prophesies like Amos 5:16-20 simply do not fit at the Return. But the Sixth Seal, which IS the Day of the Lord's wrath, will happen before the Great Tribulation and is the next end time event we can expect. Isaiah 13 describes that Day and modern Babylon; that is the ungodly nations will be punished. About 16 years later, Jesus will Return in glory.
If you continue to insist on your wrong beliefs and shifting of scripture, I will leave this forum.Keras.
No; not so.
The first trumpet will sound just before the mark of the beast
is made compulsory.Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men *which had the mark of the beast*, and upon them which **worshipped his image**.
First vial: the mark of the beast is already issued.
The sixth vial is the 3rd ww. man agaist man. With an army of two hundred million; and one third of men will be killed,
by fire and brimstone,and still repented not of their deeds.The seventh vial is the coming,which is armageddon.
This war will take only one day.
Revelation 16:17 And the **seventh angel** poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying,
***It is done***.You should not use force to make us agree with you.
We are seeking for the main thing here;and that is the truth.
I dont disagree without showing you scriptures.
Like some do here.Cheers.
wakeup.OK wakeup, I can only pray that you will 'wakeup' one day. That Day will come suddenly and unexpectedly to everyone the whole world over – Luke 21:34-35.
Is the Return 'sudden and unexpected? Remember Rev 13:5 and Rev 12:6 & 14 tell us the exact time period from the AoD in the Temple until the Return. Plus the armies of the AC gather to attack J,lem, so the Return will not be 'as a thief'.
Your reply above does not address the issue I point out. When is the Sixth Seal? Say it happens at the Return and I will leave you to your errors.Quote (keras @ May 08 2014,12:09) OK wakeup, I can only pray that you will 'wakeup' one day. That Day will come suddenly and unexpectedly to everyone the whole world over – Luke 21:34-35.
Is the Return 'sudden and unexpected? Remember Rev 13:5 and Rev 12:6 & 14 tell us the exact time period from the AoD in the Temple until the Return. Plus the armies of the AC gather to attack J,lem, so the Return will not be 'as a thief'.
Your reply above does not address the issue I point out. When is the Sixth Seal? Say it happens at the Return and I will leave you to your errors.
Keras.We are here to correct the errors,not to defend ourselves.
And not to get upset,and defensive.I believe that the coming will be at the 7th trump,
which is the last trump.
Armageddon will only last one day.On that Day the Word of God will appear suddenly in the clouds,with his angels.
But before the 7th trumpet,is the 6th trumpet.
And that is the gathering of the armies to war each other.
It takes one year;one month;one week, one day; one hour for them to prepare for war. One third of men will be killed in that war.Armageddon will destroy all the cities of the nations.
This will take only one day.wakeup.
Wakeup what you state about Armageddon will happen, but you miss a lot of prophecy before that event at the Return.
What I point out is the next event – the Day of the Lord's wrath, NOT to be confused with the Return in glory.
Here is another prophecy that proves the Day of wrath is next and all Israel will go to live in the holy Land;The Word given to Jeremiah
Jeremiah 30:1-24 Y’hovah, the God of Israel, tells Jeremiah to write these Words: The time is coming, when I shall restore the fortunes of My people, both Judah and Israel, and bring them back to take possession of the Land which I gave to their ancestors.
In that Day, says the Lord, I shall break the yoke of servitude off their necks, they will serve only Me and David, their King, raised up for them. Do not be afraid, Israel, My servants, for I shall bring you back safe from afar, all your posterity from the lands where they are now. You will be at rest once more, secure and untroubled, for I am with you, to save you. The nations will be punished and you too, will be disciplined as you deserve.
Now, Israel and Judah are punished for their sins by exile among the nations. Yet all who despoiled you will themselves be despoiled, I will heal your wounds.
The Lord says: I shall restore the fortunes of all Israel and show my love for their dwellings. Cities and houses will be rebuilt where they once were. From them, praise and merrymaking will be heard. My people will increase and be honoured, their oppressors will be punished. A ruler will appear, one of themselves, a governor will arise from among them. I will bring him near and let him approach Me. So you will be My people and I shall be your God. Hosea 1:10-11
See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord. A whirlwind that sweeps around the heads of the wicked. The Lord’s anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purpose.
This is what the Lord says to Israel and Judah: We have heard a cry of terror, of fear without relief, every face turns pale. How awful is that Day, there has been none like it. It is a time of anguish for Jacob, yet he will come through it safely.
In days to come, you will understand. Ref: REB. Verses abridged.Verses 4-7 & 23-24 describe the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, a ‘scorching whirlwind, a seemingly natural event of a Coronal Mass Ejection, that will allow unbelievers to continue in their unbelief. His purpose’; is to punish His enemies. Jacob, that is: Israel, the western nations and Judah: the State of Israel, will also be badly affected, but most will survive. It will clear the way for His people, all of righteous Israel, be they true descendants or grafted in; ‘My servants, I shall bring you back safe from afar’, to gather and settle in the new country of Beulah, in all of that area given to Abraham. Isaiah 62:1-5
These wonderful promises to His servants, righteous Israel – saved and protected during the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath, will take possession of their Land, ‘secure and untroubled, cities and houses rebuilt’, they will increase and be honoured. It is not hard to imagine, the ‘praise and merrymaking’ of His people after such amazing promises are fulfilled. They will ‘serve only the Lord’, as we do now and ‘a king/leader will appear, one of themselves’ and he will be able to approach the Lord in the same way as Moses did, so long ago. The Lord ‘will reveal His glory among His own’. 2 Thess. 1:10
The High Priest, Caiaphas prophesied the gathering of the scattered children of God – John 11:52, Paul said the Twelve Tribes hope is in their restoration – Acts 26:6-7. Jesus will burn the chaff and gather the wheat – Matthew 3:12. The ‘wheat’, His righteous people, will live in peace and prosperity in the Land of Greater Israel, after the clearance brought about by the Day of the Lord. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19.Wakeup, thanks for showing a willingness to consider another scenario to what you have believed. I do not claim to have all the answers and Journey42 recently gave me a new insight on Isaiah 49. But the Prophetic Word, as posted above is clear how all the Israelites, [not just Israelis- Jews] will gather and go to live in ALL of the holy Land after a devastation of fire from the sky.
They will live in peace and security, Joel 2:18-29. God will destroy the attack of Gog/Magog, Joel 2:20 and Joel 2:30-32 tells about this forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, that will virtually depopulate the Middle east, Ezekiel 30:1-5, to enable the great 2nd Exodus to happen. Ezekiel 20:34-38Quote (keras @ May 09 2014,07:02) Wakeup, thanks for showing a willingness to consider another scenario to what you have believed. I do not claim to have all the answers and Journey42 recently gave me a new insight on Isaiah 49. But the Prophetic Word, as posted above is clear how all the Israelites, [not just Israelis- Jews] will gather and go to live in ALL of the holy Land after a devastation of fire from the sky.
They will live in peace and security, Joel 2:18-29. God will destroy the attack of Gog/Magog, Joel 2:20 and Joel 2:30-32 tells about this forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, that will virtually depopulate the Middle east, Ezekiel 30:1-5, to enable the great 2nd Exodus to happen. Ezekiel 20:34-38
Thanks Keras.Will all that happen after or before the coming.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,08:01) Will all that happen after or before the coming. wakeup.
BEFORE – about 16/17 years before, as we know by the Seventh Seal time period.
No wonder I get frustrated, because the prophesies that prove what I say have been quoted on this thread and extensively written about on my website.
There are no wars after the Return, except at or near the very end of the 1000 years.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2014,06:19) Hi WU,
Are those who find your offerings bland goats by definition?
Why not answer the question?
Nick.1. The jews back then have died. (first death).
2.They will be revived, placed in the kingdom.
(the chosen ones).3.They grow up to a hundred years old then die once more.
this is their second death.4. They will be changed in the second resurrection.
into spirit.At the coming:
1.The christians that died and the living, will be
resurrected,in spirit.some end time christians;experience
no death at all.Bur will be changed.2.The wicked stay in their graves.
3.The survivors of the gentiles will still live to multiply.
For a thousand years.4.They will also die of old age, or what ever death.
(first death).5.They will be revived in the flesh, in the second resurrection
to be judged. This is the second death.(the goats).
This includes all that are in the graves.6.The sheep on the right, will be changed into spirit.
They only experienced one death.No second death.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,20:23) Hi WU,
The second death is defined in scripture
This is not it-jews die again
Think again.
Nick.Did you read my explanation before you answer
I know what they teach;
First death happened in the garden.
The seperation from God.This does not work; Because a wicked man is seperated from God since the day he was born; to his death.
And they call that; his second death.??
But he never seperated from God AGAIN did he?
Because he never knew God in all his life.
Mixing up the spiritual and the physical death.wakeup.
Quote (keras @ May 07 2014,18:44) J42, you have made me think about exactly who is the subject of Isaiah 49. I had not considered that it may be Jesus.
Careful reading now makes me think it is a dual prophecy, Isaiah does the prophecy and Jesus carries it out.
I am sure it is righteous Israel who is 'appointed to be a light to the nations', Isaiah 44:1-2, Isaiah 60:1-3, Ezekiel 39:27
Hi Keras,Thank you for your honesty. Isaiah 49 is a tricky one!
I'm looking at your website now.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,16:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,20:23) Hi WU,
The second death is defined in scripture
This is not it-jews die again
Think again.
Nick.Did you read my explanation before you answer
I know what they teach;
First death happened in the garden.
The seperation from God.This does not work; Because a wicked man is seperated from God since the day he was born; to his death.
And they call that; his second death.??
But he never seperated from God AGAIN did he?
Because he never knew God in all his life.
Mixing up the spiritual and the physical death.wakeup.
wakeupQuote This does not work; Because a wicked man is seperated from God since the day he was born; to his death. what type of false believe is this
get any scriptures on this
Hi Keras
Can I just start here for now.
I will paste this first one.
Quote Logostelos
Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer [light bearer]. But greater than Lucifer, God begat Himself a Son called Jesus.
It was a sad day for God when Lucifer began to aspire to take over God's kingship. Lucifer said: “I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14. Then he convinced a third of the other angels to go with him in rebellion against God.
First of all, I do not accept that Lucifer was called a light bearer, because Jesus is the bearer of light. Jesus is the light.
Lucifer was called “Son of the Morning”Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
This translation should not be trusted. To give Lucifer a title that describes Jesus is very wrong on their behalf.
What do you think?j42
Quote Quote Logostelos Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer [light bearer]. But greater than Lucifer, God begat Himself a Son called Jesus.
what type of story is that
Quote (terraricca @ May 10 2014,00:56) j42 Quote Quote Logostelos Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer [light bearer]. But greater than Lucifer, God begat Himself a Son called Jesus.
what type of story is that
T.Strange story to you Terra.
This is not for you.
You wil not understand.BTW.J42 Lucifer means light bearer.
Jesus is the light.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,21:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,20:23) Hi WU,
The second death is defined in scripture
This is not it-jews die again
Think again.
Nick.Did you read my explanation before you answer
I know what they teach;
First death happened in the garden.
The seperation from God.This does not work; Because a wicked man is seperated from God since the day he was born; to his death.
And they call that; his second death.??
But he never seperated from God AGAIN did he?
Because he never knew God in all his life.
Mixing up the spiritual and the physical death.wakeup.
Hi WU,
The second death is the lake of fire
Adapting scripture to fit your dogmas is unwiseQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2014,04:04) Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,21:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,20:23) Hi WU,
The second death is defined in scripture
This is not it-jews die again
Think again.
Nick.Did you read my explanation before you answer
I know what they teach;
First death happened in the garden.
The seperation from God.This does not work; Because a wicked man is seperated from God since the day he was born; to his death.
And they call that; his second death.??
But he never seperated from God AGAIN did he?
Because he never knew God in all his life.
Mixing up the spiritual and the physical death.wakeup.
Hi WU,
The second death is the lake of fire
Adapting scripture to fit your dogmas is unwise
Nick.That is what I have been saying.
A none believers first death,is when he dies.
His second death would be in the second judgement,
and that is the lake of fire.wakeup.
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