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If your problem with my answer is just not understanding the old english, because you are not familiar with the wording, then I will be happy to help you. Quote J42
Thou jesteth methinks!
O.P. Original Post – That is: Almighty God and Planet Earth.
A.C. Anti-Christ – the one who will lead the One World Government in the near future.Thanks Keras.
Wilt thouest waitest till the morrow if the Lord permits?
For the night is far spent, and the enemy wishes to delay me.Hi Keras
I worked for about 2 hours on my post to you but lost everything. I had full on explanations of rev and daniel. I have started again and saved it with less detail this time. I think I will keep it simple and just explain my view on the end times. I am tired right now, and don't want to post it without checking it first, plus I have a few more things to add, and hopefully will finish tomorrow, and post, and then we can go from there.
Goodnight.Quote Or if you have an alternative end time scenario, I would be pleased to look at it. Hi Keras
I will start here
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
This beast that comes out of the SEA, represents kingdoms that have come out of populations of people. To back this up, we have this scripture;
Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
This first beast has 7 heads, symbolising 7 major kingdoms that have ruled from the beginning.
1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo-Persia
5. Grecia
6. Rome
7. British Empire (came out of Rome)The 10 horns with 10 crowns distinguishes that these are KINGS, not kingdoms/empires, but leaders of nations.
Rev 17: 12 And the 10 horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.Their full authority and power is soon to come.
The last head (7th kingdom), will have 10 kings emerging from it. These 10 kings will rule with power and are planning already in the shadows, but have not shown their faces yet. I believe this to be the NWO. Many illistrate this beast with 7 heads to have 10 horns with crowns scattered across all of the heads. This is in fact error, as it is the LAST HEAD that will produce the 10 kings – The 7th head. The crowns should all be on this head.
When they receive power, and the false prophet leads, this 7th kingdom will turn into an 8th kingdom (the 8th head)
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition
This is the last kingdom to exist in the days of Christ's return, and Christ will destroy this kingdom forever.
Daniel 7:7 And after this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
So 10 kings combined in working for the same agenda, together, planning, scheming. They come out of the 7th head, the last kingdom. The one we are in now, the British empire. They are here today, working, controlling everything we see, hear, taste, and touch. They cause wars and spread propoganda, and play the economies of the world like a game of chess. They are set up ready to go.
But before they establish, they will collapse the world economies, to bring in their new one world system. One leader, one currency, one law for all.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
They will bankrupt the world economies. This will cause chaos everywhere. Looting, loss of jobs, poverty, famine, disease, and inflation…..Marshall law will be enforced to control the conditions…only to bring in their solution> The mark of the beast. A cashless society. A new system to bring in order. All must comply with their rules or else. Shortly after they establish, a new leader for them will emerge. God calls him the false prophet. Not the antichrist, for all against Christ are antichrists. He will be a spiritual and a secular leader. He is the little horn spoken off in Daniel, and he is the 2nd beast coming out of the earth in Revelations.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and spake as a dragon.
Here he is depicted as a lamb with two horns (spiritual and secular) he governs both. He is a man who will proclaim peace, but he speaks like a dragon. Only the christians will pick it, as he will contradict God.
He does not come out of the sea, from peoples or nations, but comes out of the earth, he is earthborn, a man, but the bottomless pit is where Satan's idea and mastermind plan comes from. He is Satan's puppet, the brain-child of Satan, and possibly his very own son, born of a woman.He will be the one to enforce the mark of the beast on the whole world, and all who refuse it, will be killed or imprisoned. This is Satan's way of killing the christians to get them out of the way. All who take his mark will be officially his property and not the property of God. They will have no protection during the wrath.
After the mark is issued, God will send out the 7 angels with the 7 trumpets/vials to punish the world for killing the saints, and for all their evil. During this time, heaven is closed. Anyone who has received the Mark of the beast must endure the 7 plagues to come, and will not escape God's wrath. Not all men will be killed as certain groups teach, but nevertheless, they have to endure this time, and can not escape this punishment served on Babylon the Great.
The false prophet will set up a secret deal with Israel. The zionists want to get rid of the Dome of the Rock, and build their own temple for the Messiah they have been expecting, or as they portray it, but fear of the muslems prevent them. They will make a covenant with death ….with the false prophet and he will be the one to do the fake attack…The Israeli population will not know what deals are being made in secret. They have been lied to by their leaders for such a long time now, and their leaders who have purposed this for greed and world power will be the cause many deaths on their own people, as The FP will double-cross Israel's leaders, and occupy the land for himself and his 10 kings . This is the start of Israel's punishment. To be trodden down by the gentiles and left to desolation.
The two witnesses will prophesy in Israel during these years,
whilst Israel is occupied. At the end of their three year witness, they will be killed, and their dead bodies will lie in the streets. After three and a half days their dead bodies will be resurrected and in that same hour, the Lord Jesus Christ returns.Christ will take dominion over the nations of this world now, and will rule with a rod of Iron.
Christ will set up his own kingdom in Israel with his saints, and the Jews according to election will be brought in there. The dead Jews only will be revived in the flesh, and the living Jews chosen will live there in peace and safety. This is God's mercy on them now, after they have received full punishment. They will dwell and multiply in the kingdom area for a thousand years. The lamb will lead them to truth, and in turn they will preach to the outside nations. This is where TRUTH will cover the whole earth now, as Christ will ensure it.
The outside nations will still have their leaders, but under Christ now, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, and are allowed to come into the kingdom area to learn, but they cannot live there. No man who makes an abomination will be able to enter through it's gates.
If any nation does not abide by Jerusalem's laws, God will stop the rain on them.The major cities will be ruinous heaps, an
d a dwelling for foul spirits and wild animals. They will not be inhabited by man anymore. Only Satan was locked up, but his devils are cast aside to dwell in these area's. As time goes by the rubble will have greenery covering it. A habitation for wild beasts.
New landscapes in the earth will be formed and man will build his own house with wood, and grow his own food.
Industry will be no more and it is back to basics.A thousand years is a long time, and even though the enemy is locked up, man's heart still contains evil. When Satan is released from prison, all who belong to him will follow his lead to attack the holy camp of the saints where the jews are dwelling. The battle of Gog and Magog will begin, and there Gog will be destroyed, along with Satan and all his armies. The holy camp will only be surrounded, but not touched. God himself will send fire on Gog and his armies and they will all be destroyed in that one place again.
It will take 7 years to burn all their weapons,(because their weapons are made out of wood) and 7 months to bury the dead. After this would be the great white throne judgement. When the last enemy which is death, is destroyed, (thrown into the lake of fire, all judgement complete) Christ will present his church to God. All who have been chosen have had their dirty garments replaced with clean white robes, and God will now melt the earth and create a new one, uncontaminated.
Christ's job is finished. He will hand the kingdom back to God now.Keras,
for me to provide and quote scriptures for everything that I am saying would take me a whole week. This post will turn into 100 pages long. I am happy to provide scriptures at your request, and would love to go into Daniel in more depth and the other prophesies….but for now you have the basic outline of what I believe, and can rebuke or agree with me accordingly.journey42,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote At the end of their three year witness, they will be killed, and their dead bodies will lie in the streets
Correction, their witness is close to 3 1/2 years. Just 30 days short to be exact. (1260 days)Thanks J42, for your efforts.
Because your starting point, when the 'beast' appears, is after Revelation 6:12-17 – the Sixth Seal, most of your story is incorrect.
What you don't see is how the Sixth Seal will be a world changer. It will be the Great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, [described quite differently from the Return] that will set the scene for the One World Govt and enable the Lord's righteous people to go and live in all of the holy land.
British Empire? So maybe one King will come from New Zealand? No, you are wrong, just google 10 world regions and you will see how the world is already divided. The presidents of these regions will give their authority to another, Dan 7:24 who will b the Anti-Christ.Respectfully, I ask that you do not waste your time trying to change my beliefs, which I assure you are soundly basted on Scripture. Wakeup knows that I have written four books on Bible prophecy, end times. I present a coherent, logical and correct sequence of what will happen in our near future.
logostelos.infoKeras, lets not go further or deeper in getting to the truth shall we? God is no respector of persons. The fact that you have written four books does not prove that you have been given the truth, and the fact that you are on guard now warning me that I cannot change your beliefs, shows me that you are telling me to back off?
If you have nothing to hide, which you claim is the truth, then you need to show me how your events fit into the sixth seal. Don't reference your book to me. Be ready to answer in season and out of season. Give me clear slow explanations, and not 1000 scriptures all at once. You gave some scriptures already and I only looked up a few and presented that they were shown to go against what you claim.The seventh seal is the coming. All events lead up to the 7th trumpet and the 7th seal. Everything has to take place in the 6th seal, the great war is in the 6th seal, armageddon is in the 6th seal. How can you possibly fit something else in there is beyond my comprehension. How does peace arrive before the Prince of Peace comes? There will be no peace before Christ arrives but plague after plague and finally war.
You see the difference is that I do not have a book to protect, nor a church. This is what some of you need for credentials of the truth. Well the holy spirit does not work that way, and I am here to prove it.
Quote What you don't see is how the Sixth Seal will be a world changer. It will be the Great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath,
Hi KerasWhen the sixth seal opens, it cannot be a one day event, a great and terrible day, but the start of the 7 trumpets/vials/plagues. The saints are persecuted in the 5th seal by him who sits on the pale horse.
After the persecutions, the wrath of God starts. The sixth seal opened. It will take years for each plague to be poured out and it's affect on men and the earth. I'm guessing about 3 1/2 years worth of plagues, maybe a little longer. All one after another, all leading up to the 7th trump.
Christs return is the dreadful day, the 3rd woe.J42, I am telling you not to waste your efforts in trying to convince me of untruths like the 6th Seal being more than 1 day.
Christ's Return 'a dreadful Day'
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You are very deep in error, but like many others, only the unfolding of events will enlighten you. Isaiah 29:24
As for clear explanations, my article Almighty God and Planet earth sets out in a easily read way what will happen in the near future. I have written out all the scriptures to prove my case. Refute them, if you can.keras,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Now a small portion of the Israelites have returned to a part of the holy Land, but they face constant threats of annihilation from all the surrounding peoples.15 The Prophetic Word says that the Lord is restraining Himself from intervening,16 but when the enemy commences his attack, then He will act.17
Micah 3:1 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?Micah 3:2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
Micah 3:3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
Micah 3:4 Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
Micah 3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
Micah 3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
Micah 3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
Micah 3:8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
Micah 3:9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
Micah 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Micah 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
Micah 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
Quote but when the enemy commences his attack, then He will act Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Hi Keras
Why do you state that when Israel is attacked, Christ will stand up. Here the holy city will be captured for 3 1/2 years. What you have stated that when Israel is attacked, Christ will come to their rescue? Scripture tells us they will be under attack for 42 months. So something is wrong with your interpretation.
Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Here is proof the false prophet will set up his palace (throne) in Israel, and we know he will be there for 42 months. Israel is not at peace, but conquered yet once again.
Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Daniel 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Rev 11:2 …..And the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Quote Thanks J42, for your efforts.
Because your starting point, when the 'beast' appears, is after Revelation 6:12-17 – the Sixth Seal, most of your story is incorrect.Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
This scripture that you so quickly dismissed, is when the trouble starts. It is this last kingdom, with the 10 heads, which the first beast of Rev who rises up, and is the kingdom of which the false prophet will rise out of. This is very important for us to know and watch out for and you have boldly dismissed it.
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Daniel saw until the end…..Until Christ returns and the thrones were cast down.
Daniel 7:11 I beheld then, because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Keras,
Shouldn't we be warning the brethren about what is to come upon us? To stay awake and watch out for this kingdom that will soon be rising? For this kingdom will be the last kingdom of Babylon. Out of THIS KINGDOM, (10 horns) the False prophet will emerge, and force his mark on all who have no knowledge of the prophesies. ie. the luke warm christian world.Instead, you are giving a scenario of Israel living in peace, absolutely dismissing everything that will take place before that can happen. What the scriptures state is that Christ will be the one to destroy this last kingdom, and when he does, he will take rule. Babylon will be no more forever.
I've always had a feeling that when the False prophet takes Israel, many christians will flock there to Israel, as he will be so cunning, and convincing, and if it were possible will even deceive the very elect. What you are portraying in your book, will most assuredly entice the luke warmers to go over there in the hope that is where they belong, but it is going to be a place of war, of control, and finally a blood-bath. God has mustered this so the armies can be killed in the one place. Israel will be totally flattened. You should be warning the brethren that the Mark of the Beast is coming upon us, and to refuse it at all costs. This should be your No 1 duty, to warn the flock, as it is in your power to produce books.
I have stated the end times scenario in my OP, as the Bible tells us, up until the time of the Gog/Magog attack. It is well supported by scripture and there is really nothing more I can add. If you choose to believe differently and place events out the correct sequence, that is your prerogative. I AM warning the brethren, but most simply don't want to know, or like you already believe false teaching and cannot see the truth. Isaiah 29:9-12
Re the 'beast' – read my OP -22/. All of the lengthy quotes you make above, despite my request that you refrain from doing so in your faulty translation, refer to events AFTER the Sixth Seal.
The Lord's people WILL again live in all of the holy Land in peace and truth. Jeremiah 33:6-14 And this will happen before the Return, if for no other reason that to fulfil the promises God made to the Patriarchs.Hi Keras
You are the one that has written a book regarding your interpretation. You are only refusing to see because once a book is published, you cannot change what you wrote.
My so called lengthy quotes, are called scriptures, and free for all to read. You have not proved your interpretation fits in the sixth seal, nor have you addressed my points. I expect you to defend yourself.
You have not acknowledged the beast with 10 horns, the last empire, as revealed in revelations and in Daniel, nor warned your brothers that out of this empire things will dramatically change for them, as this is where it all really starts. The beast first, the second beast next, the mark enforced and then the wrath of God on all who take the Mark. That is what it comes down to. Warn your brothers how to identify the times is what you should be doing.
You have rejected valuable knowledge, and cannot take correction because of pride. You have failed to defend yourself and address those scriptures I gave.
You are reading the bible like a story book and putting each prophesy in the order they are written, and it does not work like that for one has to have the full picture to know where it fits, and your picture is blurry.
I tried to do this amicably, but because of pride you flatly reject, not caring for the sheep. I am very disappointed Keras, I thought we could discuss this, but it seems it is just one way. Your book or the highway.
Micah 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
We will just have to wait and see who's right, and it won't be a long wait.
I hope and pray that we will all meet in the holy Land, where the truth will known to all.Quote (keras @ May 05 2014,12:45) We will just have to wait and see who's right, and it won't be a long wait.
I hope and pray that we will all meet in the holy Land, where the truth will known to all.
Hi Keras.Dont see us as your enemy,because we dont agree.
The six trumpet must sound first before the seventh;
which is the coming.Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
As you can see: The kingdom of God will be set up *AFTER* all those kingdoms are destroyed.
Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that *the stone* was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron,brass,silver,gold.
THE STONE IS THE COMING WHICH IS THE 7TH TRUMP.
The six trumpets have past.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2014,09:47) But WU,
You say
“My view and the scriptures are the same.”So who can dialogue with you?
NickKeras can. You definately cannot, as you see it as private interpretations, and Kerwin cannot, because he sees it as religious views. We can dialogue, but most of you cannot because you do not want to join in, or have no idea of what we are speaking about.
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