Almighty God and planet Earth

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The Lord will arise as He did in ancient times.1 He sits on high and passes sentence upon the nations.2 He will stand up and judge the world 3 and all the wicked will perish.4
The Lord has ready sealed up in His storehouse His punishment to use against His enemies.5 On that Day, the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength and the moon will shine with the brightness of the sun.6 Then the sun will turn to darkness and the moon to blood, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath.7

News of this coming disaster reaches us, our arms are powerless and agony grips us like a woman in labour. Outside is terror, for in an instant the Destroyer is upon us.8 People are limp with fear and they wet their pants with fright.9
Nations are ready to attack, but no one goes to war, as their preparations have triggered the wrath of the Lord.10 The enemy has prepared his weapons, but it is upon himself that his deadly shafts tipped with fire will recoil.11 As the fire consumes the stubble and flames burn up the chaff, they will disappear like fine dust.12 The horde of your enemies will crumble into powder. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes and flames of devouring fire 13 and the sky will disperse like smoke with a great rushing sound. 14

The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all evildoers will be as stubble, that Day sets them ablaze.15 The Lord comes in fire, like a whirlwind bringing retribution in His furious anger of flaming fire. He will judge all mankind and many will be slain by Him.16 Furiously the Lord traverses the earth, in His anger He tramples down the nations.17 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.18 The Lord will destroy humans and animals, dire distress will come upon the sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill out on the ground.19 Corpses will fall and lie like swaths behind the reaper,20 those who the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the world to the other. They will be as dung upon the earth.21 Ref. REB. Some verses abridged.

1/ Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will take action, as ‘in the days of Noah’. Isaiah 2:20-21, Micah 1:3-4
2/ Psalm 7:6-8 This is not the Return, now; the Lord does not appear to the world. Romans 1:18
3/ Zephaniah 3:8 He instigates His judgement and punishment. Psalm 94:1-7, Isaiah 64:1-2
4/ Hebrews 10:27 The peoples attacking Israel will die. Nahum 1:2-3, Psalm 83:1-18
5/ Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35 The way He will do this; is ready. Isaiah 28:2, Isaiah 54:16
6/ Isaiah 30:26 It will be a CME sunstrike. Initially the sun will emit a powerful flash and the moon will flare up from the chemical reaction of the hydrogen plasma hitting it. Habakkuk 3:3-4
7/ Joel 2:31 The moon will burn brightly red, and the sun will be obscured by the approaching mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. Acts 2:19-20, Revelation 6:12
8/ Jeremiah 6:24-26 This happens during the 24 hour period between the initial flash and the mass striking the Middle East region at mid-day. Zeph. 2:4, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Joel 2:1-3
9/ Ezekiel 7:17 All know what is coming and panic sets in. Ezekiel 21:5-7, Jeremiah 30:6-7
10/ Ezekiel 7:14 There will be no rocket attack or WW3. Psalm 69:24-25, Isaiah 13:6
11/ Psalm 7:14-16 The enemies’ weapons explode before launching. Obadiah 1:15, Psalm 37:14-15
12/ Isaiah 5:24 The fire of the CME will consume His enemies. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 34:5
13/ Isaiah 29:5-6 A sudden and unexpected event. 1 Thess. 5:1-3, Isaiah 29:14
14/ 2 Peter 3:10 The earth’s magnetosphere is penetrated. Revelation 6:14, Isaiah 34:4
15/ Malachi 4:1 Extreme heat and enveloping fire. Isaiah 9:19, Jeremiah 7:20
16/ Isaiah 66:15-16 All the world will be affected by this judgement by fire. Hosea 8:14,Luke 3:17
17/ Habakkuk 3:12 The Judgement of the nations, not individuals. Isaiah 33:12, Jeremiah 46:16
18/ Isaiah 9:18-19 Evil peoples burned to death. Psalm 79:5-6, Psalm 37:20, Hebrews 10:27
19/ Zephaniah 1:14-17 The Middle East virtually cleared of every living thing. Isa. 51:6, Hosea 4:3
20 & 21/ Jeremiah 9:22, Jeremiah 25:30-33 Worldwide devastation and deaths. Amos 8:2-3, Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 14:18
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April 18, 2014 at 11:03 pm#378494

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Keras.

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19 The forthcoming great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a terrible judgement/punishment by fire from the sky,20 will once again reset the world’s civilization.21
**The survivors of the nations will establish a One World Government**, **ruled by 10 Presidents**,22 **but all the true Christian people will gather and go to live in all of the original Promised Land**.23 They will fulfil their destiny, being a light to the nations and proclaiming the coming Kingdom of Jesus.24

Can you elaborate on the above please?
That seems not to be what the prophesies are saying.

wakeup.

April 20, 2014 at 8:49 pm#378653

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I support all what I say with ample scripture, but if you have already decided what you think will happen in the end times, then it becomes difficult for you to understand the truth. Isaiah 28:9-11
Regarding the 10 regions that the world will be divided into for the soon to happen One world Order, just google 10 world regions for what they will be.
But twice they are mentioned in Bible prophecy; Daniel 7:23-24, Rev. 17:12

Re the great Second Exodus of the Lord's people; Isn't prophesies like Ezekiel 11:17, Eze 20:34-38, Hosea 11:10-11, Isa. 60:1-9, Jer 31:8-9, Psalm 107 and dozens more clear enough? This will be the fulfilment of God's plan – to establish a nation that will 'display His glory', Eze 39:27 and 'be a light to the nations'. Isaiah 49:8
All who have believed in the false teaching of a 'rapture' will be shocked and terrified, but if their hearts are right with the Lord, all true Christian believers will be gathered and transported to all of the holy Land. The Lord has amazing promises of prosperity and security for them. Great will be that time!
For many articles and info about all that will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, look at my free website; logostelos.info

April 20, 2014 at 10:44 pm#378659

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Keras.

I believe that all true christians will be resurrected, or changed in a twink of an eye,to meet the Lord in the air.
But before this; the first fruits(144K) will be with the Lord in mt Zion.

The remnant of the the jews,of all past;present generations will be brought back to their own land.
And the saints will rule over them,as kings and priests and the Lord as king of kings.

Before the coming;israel will be trodden down by the gentiles for 3/half years. Two witnesses will be in jerusalem witnessing for 3/half years; killed;then the coming.

Israel will be taken by the ten kings and the false prophet.
The ten kings will show themselves soon;and then the false prophet.

wakeup.

April 21, 2014 at 3:04 am#378721

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Hi WU,
Will some of the jews have to die twice?
Heb 9

April 21, 2014 at 7:58 am#378740

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Hi WU,
Will some of the jews have to die twice?
Heb 9

Nick.

Yes; they died in their life time,of old age,maybe.

And in the kingdom they will grow up to one hundred years,then they die again.
This is the second death.

wakeup.

April 21, 2014 at 9:58 am#378766

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Hi WU,
No.
Men die once.
heb 9.27

Think again

The second death is the lake of fire in Scripture.
Have you altered scripture?

April 21, 2014 at 12:22 pm#378782

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Hi WU,
No.
Men die once.
heb 9.27

Think again

The second death is the lake of fire in Scripture.
Have you altered scripture?

Nick.

For the goats Yes.

wakeup.

April 21, 2014 at 7:19 pm#378837

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Hi WU,
Are those who find your offerings bland goats by definition?
Why not answer the question?

April 21, 2014 at 8:29 pm#378842

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I hope you, Nick and Wakeup realize how silly and childish your post are. Hardly the sensible discussion expected on a international forum.
Wakeup, you remain confused about end time events. The meeting with the Lord happens at the Return, then comes the Millennium reign. But at lot of prophecy must be fulfilled before that. The first thing that must happen is this;
The Holy Land – Depopulated
Many scriptures state how the Lord will clear and cleanse all of the holy Land, to enable His righteous people to gather and settle there. This will happen before the Return, as they are designated to be His witnesses, to be a light to the nations and to send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
Here are some of the prophesies that confirm how the Land will be virtually emptied:
Zephaniah 1:4-18 I shall stretch out My hand over Judah, over all that live in Jerusalem. On the Day of the Lord’s sacrifice, I shall wipe out all traces of idol worship and I will punish all those complacent people. All who commit crimes of violence and fraud will fall with a great crash. The great Day of the Lord is near and coming fast – His Day of wrath and distress onto the peoples. Their blood and guts will pour out like dung upon the ground and nothing can save them from the fire of His judgement. He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the holy Land.
Habakkuk 3:16-17….I long for the Day of Disaster to dawn over our enemies. [After that Day -] The fig tree has no buds, the vine has no harvest…there are no sheep in the fold and no cattle in the stalls.
Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the Land a waste, for My people have broken faith.
Jeremiah 10:18…This time I shall throw out the whole population of the Land.
Ezekiel 21:3 Say to the Land: I am against you, I shall draw My sword of slaughter and make away with both the righteous and wicked alike.
Isaiah 10:23 The Lord will bring a final destruction upon the whole Land.
Isaiah 6:11-13…cities will be ruined, houses left without occupants and the Land will lie desolate and a waste. Only a stump remains – a holy seed. [In Jerusalem]
Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I shall wipe away all evil from the holy Land.
Amos 2:5 I shall send fire onto Judah, fire to consume their palaces.
Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now, with a great noise you will be burned and consumed. Luke 19:27

Isaiah 10:17-19 The Lord will become a fire that in a single Day will destroy His enemies. Suddenly the trees and pastures of His holy Land will be consumed, what will remain will be so few, a child could count them.
Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.
Joel 1:19-20…fire has consumed the pastures and burned every tree in the Land. All the streams have dried up.
Jeremiah 9:10-11 The Land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited.
Jeremiah 33:10 Judah and Jerusalem lie in ruins, uninhabited by man or beast.
Jeremiah 4:26-28 I looked and the fruitful Land was like a desert, all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord’s fierce anger. The Lord says: The entire holy Land will be devastated, but I will not destroy it completely. The earth will mourn and the sky will be darkened, because what I have said I will do and I will not relent or change My plan. Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

April 21, 2014 at 8:48 pm#378843

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Hi Keras,
Does that link to the warning to the Jews in Mt24?

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

April 21, 2014 at 9:02 pm#378844

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Hi Keras,
Jn 14.6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

April 23, 2014 at 4:19 am#379088

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I hope you, Nick and Wakeup realize how silly and childish your post are. Hardly the sensible discussion expected on a international forum.

Keras that is quite alright for you to say. It is not your posts or interpretations that are having an effect on Nick.
He wouldn't have a clue what your posts are about., and is attacking Wakeup, because Wakeup is explaining prophesies clearly, which he does not like.
If you are a man of God, surely you can clearly see what is happening here?, We have a man of God who has devoted this part of his life to share true knowledge to those still stuck on the milk. He is quoting and writing out complete verses, with clear explanations. Not just giving piles and piles of scriptures for them to look up, because he knows they wont look them up. He is prepared to answer each question on the spot, and repeat himself 100 times if necessary, but he is being personally attacked, and that spirit in Wakeup, speaks to that spirit in the other man. They are of totally different spirits.

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Wakeup, you remain confused about end time events. The meeting with the Lord happens at the Return, then comes the Millennium reign. But at lot of prophecy must be fulfilled before that. The first thing that must happen is this;
The Holy Land – Depopulated. Many scriptures state how the Lord will clear and cleanse all of the holy Land, to enable His righteous people to gather and settle there. This will happen before the Return,

We do know that the land will be cleansed, but not before the return as you state.
Quite the opposite. The scriptures state that the Kings of the East will cross over the Euphrates river into Israel, and then all the kings of the earth and their armies will be gathered there. They will be gathered there to fight “each other”
That is a major influx of people coming into the holy land.
Christ comes to stop “that war”, or else no flesh would be saved. Already a third of men have died in that war.

And when Christ stops that war, he is in the air ready for battle. He has distracted them. They team up and join forces to fight Christ himself. They “gather” in Armageddon. This gathering is still in the 6th trumpet stage.
On the 7th trumpet, Christ and his armies, fight back. The saints are raised on the 7th trumpet, so they will be there with Christ before he charges and destroys all those armies, and along with the whole world of Babylon. All her armies, her system, her machinery, her buildings, etc, everything material she has ever built.

So how can there be a de-population of Israel before the coming? Only at the coming will Babylon be judged. Satan thrown into prison, – now the Millennium begins. The kingdom on earth established. Israel must be restored now from all the debri, before her new generation of children can enter. I don't know how long this takes, Christ can do it all in a flash if he likes, but the destroyed land of Israel will at least have to be witnessed first, so they can see what their rejection of God, and Christ amounted to, and the state now of their supposedly “holy land” which they thought would always be protected when they reformed in 1948. Nothing but a pile of debri now.

Only now, after Babylon destroyed can the restoration period begin, and the Jews brought back into the kingdom area. Which is the land of Israel, with a new landscape, larger borders.

So the land of Israel will be de-populated at the coming, not before, and all the dead will be buried by the earthquake and thrown into the that great valley there. Valley of Hinom, put there for this purpose. Throwing out the dead trash. Now anyone left alive that does not belong there, will have to leave.

April 23, 2014 at 5:04 am#379096

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keras,April wrote:

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Many scriptures state how the Lord will clear and cleanse all of the holy Land, to enable His righteous people to gather and settle there. This will happen before the Return, as they are designated to be His witnesses, to be a light to the nations and to send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.

That is a nice thought Keras, but not what the scriptures say. You are saying that the 144,000 are there to preach to the gentiles before the coming, and the righteous will come and settle in the holy land, that has been de-populated?
This is where your picture does not fit.
There are armies there, right up to the last trumpet. No peace there, just war.

The scriptures say that when the 7 angels come out of the temple to give the 7 plagues, then the TEMPLE IS SHUT, and NO MAN CAN ENTER.

This means no salvation for this period of time. All that have the Mark of the Beast, must go through the Great tribulation. No peace, until the Prince of Peace comes at the 7th trumpet.

This is how the temple opens and closes;

THE TEMPLE OPENED
The temple of the tabernacle is opened only to let the 7 angels out.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.
Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

THE TEMPLE CLOSED
The temple door closes as the 7 angels exit. No man can enter now. No salvation for this period of punishment.
Rev 15: 7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever
Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

THE TEMPLE OPENED AGAIN AT THE 7TH TRUMPET
because Christ has to come out, and the resurrected saints receive their reward.
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was OPENED in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

April 23, 2014 at 7:11 am#379107

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Nick re Matthew 24:15-20, no the clearance of the holy Land happens very soon. The Abomination… does not happen until the mid point of the last 7 years.

Journey 42, I can only suggest you study Bible prophecy as intensively as I have done, to come to a true understanding of what will happen. Just consider the present situation: Iran is ready and set to nuke Israel, Israel are a nation far from what God has intended. They are surrounded by false religion worshippers, who hate them and will try again to wipe Israel off the map. Psalm 83 and the prophesies I quote above, say the Lord Himself will destroy those enemies by a fire from the sky.

There will be peace in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, the prophecy about Gog attacking proves it – Ezekiel 38:11 You will attack a people living undisturbed, quite and undefended…. and in Eze 39:26 My people living in their homeland …free from terror…

How is it logical for Jesus to clear the holy Land as the prophesies I quote at His Return? He destroys the armies of the AC at Armageddon, but why wipe out those in J,lem who say: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord?

April 23, 2014 at 7:37 am#379110

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keras,April wrote:

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Here are some of the prophesies that confirm how the Land will be virtually emptied:

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Zephaniah 1:4-18

Hi Keras

I will go through the whole chapter with you, as I have some time on my hands at the moment. Please do not take this as an attack on you, or take offence. There are some fine details to go over. I have given short explanations so the others can understand too, as they are not familiar with these prophesies.

Zephaniah 1:2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.
Zephaniah 1:3 I will consume man and beast, I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.
Zephaniah 1:4 I will also strethch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarim with the priests.
Chemarim – idolatrous priests. Obviously those who worship Baal. Baal has many names.

Zephaniah 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;
Malcham – God of child sacrifices

Zephaniah 1:6 And them that are turned back form the LORD, and those that have not sought the LORD, nor inquired for him.

Zephaniah 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the LORD GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he has bid his guests.
This happens at the 7th trump, the coming.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed i fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture andon his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourelves together unto the supper of the great God.
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Zephaniah 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
This day, and this supper, is when Christ will kill all those armies fighting at him. Christ will make a big bloodbath. Likened to the treading of a winepress, instead of grape juice, it will be blood. All the dead there will be a feast to the wild scavengers.
Strange Apparel = Soldiers wearing full protective chemical gear, masks, bulletproof vests etc.

Zephaniah 1:9 In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshhold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.
Soldiers breaking and entering

Zephaniah 1:10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.
Hills = small kingdoms.
Fish gate? I don't know what this is yet. Entrance to the city of Jerusalem?

Zephaniah 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.
Maktesh, a hollow or valley in the desert area caused by erosion. Unique to the Negev desert in Israel.

Zephaniah 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.
The Lord will search out Jerusalem with candles, because they are in darkness. The whole land is in great darkness and gloominess. The candle is light now for those Jews he has spared, and will now end their oppression. Help will arrive.

Zephaniah 1:13 Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them, and they shall plant vineyards, not not drink the wine thereof.
Everything will be taken off them.

Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, It is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
This is the third woe, the coming, the 7th trumpet.

Zephaniah 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
The 7th trumpet.
The high towers are those in high power.

Zephaniah 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
The winepress
The 7th trumpet

Zephaniah 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

In one hour. The 7th trumpet. The coming. The land is destroyed. Not cleansed yet. Full of dead carcasses.
Now the new work will begin.

April 23, 2014 at 9:11 am#379114

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Hi J42,
No the words of wakeup are so full of fallacies that he needs all the help he can find to straighten out his teachings.

April 23, 2014 at 9:39 am#379116

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Journey 42, I can only suggest you study Bible prophecy as intensively as I have done, to come to a true understanding of what will happen.

Hi keras
Ok, but we have to reason, and we can do that.

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Just consider the present situation: Iran is ready and set to nuke Israel, Israel are a nation far from what God has intended. They are surrounded by false religion worshippers, who hate them and will try again to wipe Israel off the map. Psalm 83 and the prophesies I quote above, say the Lord Himself will destroy those enemies by a fire from the sky.

The media is controlled by the elites. They will not report the truth. Everything reported is for their own personal agenda.

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Rumours of wars are LIES.
Israel and the elites are all working together.
In fact Israel are the elites.

Ahmadinejad never said “Israel must be wiped off the map”
His words were misinterpreted by Israel and the USA, to cause a scandal, and incite hatred from the West towards Iran.

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In a reminder that Persian rhetoric is not always easy for English-speakers to interpret, a senior Israeli official has acknowledged that Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, never actually said that Israel “must be wiped off the map.”

Those words were attributed to Mr. Ahmadinejad in 2005, in English translations of his speech to a “World Without Zionism” conference that October. As my colleague Ethan Bronner reported the next year, one problem was translating a metaphorical turn of phrase in Persian that has no exact English equivalent — there was, for instance, no mention of a map — and there was a heated debate about whether the original statement was a threat or a prediction.

Last week, Teymoor Nabili of Al Jazeera suggested during an interview with Dan Meridor, Israel’s minister of intelligence and atomic energy, that Mr. Ahmadinejad’s rhetorical flourish had been misinterpreted. “This idea that Iran wants to wipe Israel out,” Mr. Nabili said, “now that’s a common trope that is put about by a lot of people in Israel, a lot of people in the United States, but as we know Ahmadinejad didn’t say that he plans to exterminate Israel, nor did he say that Iran’s policy is to exterminate Israel.”

In response, Mr. Meridor said that Mr. Ahmadinejad and Iran’s ruling cleric, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had said repeatedly “that Israel is an unnatural creature, it will not survive. They didn’t say, ‘We’ll wipe it out,’ you’re right, but, ‘It will not survive.’ ”

The Lede

The more I delve, the more lies I find by the media to create a false perception of history and what is happening now.

April 23, 2014 at 10:30 am#379118