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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,14:34) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,12:18) If you don't like war, then why are you trying to cause one with divisions? See, this is a false statement.
People are, IYO, causing divisions because they disagree with some of your doctrine?
I am here to discuss scriptures, that is all.
Perhaps if you looked properly, you would see that we have been called liars, vipers, snakes, hypocrites, and all manor of things by Wakeup, in just the past few days, for disagreeing.
I am not here to get personal. I am here to discuss the scriptures, and to search for truth. And I do not follow the doctrines of men.
Quote We don't preach ourselves. You on the other hand claim you have had visions from God. See, there you go again. What an insult. I have never mentioned any of my visions, I only said I have HAD visions. I gave no details of them. So what ARE you talking about, Journey?
Why be so personal towards people?
Is this not a place to discuss scriptures and seek truth?
2Besee.Are you truly seeking truth?
Then why are you disregarding Gods position regarding the churches,as if its of no importance?
Why does that have no effect on you?This means that the spirit of those words does not have any connection with your spirit. There is no contact.
Not on the same wavelength.Those words should have touch your soul.
But you are not the only one here,there are many.The spirit of Gods word does not have any connection with the spirit of the individual.
And this is how I see how serious the peson is in seeking.
There is a spiritual vacuum there.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Everything was going fine I heard some of what you were saying which is why I was slow to post anything, but then another jumps in and bombards my mind with questions and then another jumps in and insults me!!!
I was trying to show you that you can be born again Wakeup.
I was showing you scripture.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,13:22) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,12:18) 2Besse If you don't like war, then why are you trying to cause one with divisions?
You call obedient people of God of the occult.
Hi 2Besee,Yea, that is strange isn't it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,19:57) Wakeup, Everything was going fine I heard some of what you were saying which is why I was slow to post anything, but then another jumps in and bombards my mind with questions and then another jumps in and insults me!!!
I was trying to show you that you can be born again Wakeup.
I was showing you scripture.
2Besee.You still can not connect with what I am saying can you?
Where is that connection with the word of God?
The words straight out of the bible,the same bible in your hand. Does not compute with you.You seem to be so obsessed with the word BORN AGAIN.
This is also a sign of lack in knowledge,just follow what they say ,because it is the popular word in these days.He said; when you are BORN of the spirit Then you are spirit. But you just like to have it your own way dont you.
Never mind what Jesus say; its what you say that
counts. You see; even Jesus own words does not connect with you. Because two different spirits dont see eye to eye.Self righteousness is an invisible trap.
Your wings need to be clipped.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
You said:
Quote Never mind what Jesus say; its what you say that
counts. You see; even Jesus own words does not connect with you. Because two different spirits dont see eye to eye.I know the words of Jesus better than any other book in the Bible because Jesus is my Lord. So when you say that I do not, you are judging yourself. Because I have shown you the words of Jesus and you have discounted them. You bring up the OT more than any other writing and also the book of Revelation which is vulnerable to any private interpretation.
You judge others. I sense a bitterness towards other people who disagree with you. That bitterness is not healthy Wakeup. We are all PEOPLE, we all share this planet together. “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? And if you greet only your relatives, that’s no great thing you’re doing, is it? Even the unbelievers do the same, don’t they? So be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matthew 5:43-48
When I reply to a post I am only replying to the contents of the post. Internet Forums are Internet Forums and I am not here to get personal. I am not here to judge others. I am here to discuss. So when the discussion is not going your way, then you pull out the “personal” attacks – yes, it is what people do, on forums.
So, seeing that you insist on doing this, then expect to get some back. Usually I just ignore it. but when it has become a persons way and it is obviously effecting them, then I will say something. Bitterness toward the people of the world is not scriptural Wakeup, it is not in the new testament.
Anyway, let us stop this childishness.
Getting back to topic, okay.
I hear this that you teach regarding the restoration of all of the Jews from my family, who believe the same thing. But I disagree.
So that is where the blank is coming in.
Also, as you know, I believe that the Day of the Lord which is the return of Jesus will come burning like an oven, and that it will be one literal day or perhaps even quicker than that. (Malachi 4:1-3, 2nd Peter 3, Revelations 21:1-4, etc)
How do you make those two things fit into your teachings? Can you?
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 07 2013,06:27) Hi Wakeup, You said:
Quote Never mind what Jesus say; its what you say that
counts. You see; even Jesus own words does not connect with you. Because two different spirits dont see eye to eye.I know the words of Jesus better than any other book in the Bible because Jesus is my Lord. So when you say that I do not, you are judging yourself. Because I have shown you the words of Jesus and you have discounted them. You bring up the OT more than any other writing and also the book of Revelation which is vulnerable to any private interpretation.
You judge others. I sense a bitterness towards other people who disagree with you. That bitterness is not healthy Wakeup. We are all PEOPLE, we all share this planet together. “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? And if you greet only your relatives, that’s no great thing you’re doing, is it? Even the unbelievers do the same, don’t they? So be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matthew 5:43-48
When I reply to a post I am only replying to the contents of the post. Internet Forums are Internet Forums and I am not here to get personal. I am not here to judge others. I am here to discuss. So when the discussion is not going your way, then you pull out the “personal” attacks – yes, it is what people do, on forums.
So, seeing that you insist on doing this, then expect to get some back. Usually I just ignore it. but when it has become a persons way and it is obviously effecting them, then I will say something. Bitterness toward the people of the world is not scriptural Wakeup, it is not in the new testament.
2Besee.Cant you understand,that if I just let you guys
carry on,and just let you believe what you believe,no matter what.All here are so called born again,but not all believe the same doctrine.If I dont care.
This is a sign of no love for my brothers.
The reason why I am doing this is because I love all my spiritual brothers.I am trying to guide you to bible truth,because you have been lead astray. And I am using whole sriptures to show you the difference of teachings.
But those scriptures dont seem to connect with the spirit. So you are seeing it in the negative way,yes i am
stirring you up,but not to cause war.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,12:12) 2Besee. Cant you understand,that if I just let you guys
carry on,and just let you believe what you believe,no matter what.All here are so called born again,but not all believe the same doctrine.If I dont care.
This is a sign of no love for my brothers.
The reason why I am doing this is because I love all my spiritual brothers.I am trying to guide you to bible truth,because you have been lead astray. And I am using whole sriptures to show you the difference of teachings.
But those scriptures dont seem to connect with the spirit. So you are seeing it in the negative way,yes i am
stirring you up,but not to cause war.wakeup.
Wakeup, I understand that. And vice versa.So maybe we both have misunderstandings somewhere.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 07 2013,08:28) Anyway, let us stop this childishness. Getting back to topic, okay.
I hear this that you teach regarding the restoration of all of the Jews from my family, who believe the same thing. But I disagree.
So that is where the blank is coming in.
Also, as you know, I believe that the Day of the Lord which is the return of Jesus will come burning like an oven, and that it will be one literal day or perhaps even quicker than that. (Malachi 4:1-3, 2nd Peter 3, Revelations 21:1-4, etc)
How do you make those two things fit into your teachings? Can you?
Ok 2Besee.Now you are asking questions,and that is what we suppose to do.
I dont know what else your family is teaching,but yes
The jews will also be brought back in the flesh,so the resurrected saints could rule over them,and teach them
in Christ.This is at the 2nd coming.Everything has to fit.
The coming of the Lord will burn,yes.
Can you imagin all the cities of the earth burning?
The destruction of babylon the great.But Peter also spoke of the melting of the earth,and this is not at the coming,but 1000yrs after.
Whe satan is judged after his gog and magog war,and the white throne judement.Then the earth will be renewed. not before. the renewing of the earth is the finale of Gods plan.
Your fam.they are not jw are they,because they teach with a certain twist, and that turns the truth up side down.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
My family are Catholics and Jewish (Hebrew), or at least in part.
Let's take our conversation to the other thread please. When too many people get involved, the conversation is lost.
Okay? Please.
I am away for a few days though.
Wakeup,
So, copy and paste your above post to here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y387442
Okay.
later.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 07 2013,10:40) Hi Wakeup, My family are Catholics and Jewish (Hebrew), or at least in part.
Let's take our conversation to the other thread please. When too many people get involved, the conversation is lost.
Okay? Please.
I am away for a few days though.
2Besee.OK, but show me which thread.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Click on the follwing gold words..
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=4614
It is in 'the hot seat' category, though it is not a 'hotseat' topic, only a freindly discussion.
I took the whole conversation there.
Up to now I have not seen anyone in this whole
platoon that can answer that simple question.Well,maybe too hard huh?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2013,02:09) Up to now I have not seen anyone in this whole
platoon that can answer that simple question.Well,maybe too hard huh?
wakeup.
What question was that?Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,12:04) Please answer truly:
1.Do you celebrate christmas?No, I hate Christmas, but I join my elderly parents for a meal, which I always enjoy.
Quote 2.Are you one that can not sin? (1John 3:9). I have sinned badly in the past, I mean since knowing God properly, this was to do with arguing and grudge holding, but I could see it for what it was: sin, separating me from God, and I changed it. Now, I try my hardest. Some things I am not sure if they are a sin or not – such as spending too much time on the computer. and it will play on my conscience.
Quote 3. What is the difference between born of God and begotten of God? 4.What is the difference between born again, and the renewing of the mind?
6.How many times can one be born, according the scriptures?To be honest.
I will get back to you on this, in the next post.
Quote 5.Do you believe the bible speaks of the physical and the spiritual? Yes.
Quote The world has ignored the true teachings of the bible so far. As I have posted whole scriptures of isaiah 32 to you, and you have so far turned a blind eye to it. I have posted whole scriptures of the NT and you have turned a blind eye to it too, Wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 08 2013,06:13) Wakeup, Aren't you going to join me in the other thread?
2BesseWhat question did you ask wakeup in the hot seat?
All I can see is quotes.Wakeup,
Sorry for this long post.
Continued….Quote 3. What is the difference between born of God and begotten of God? There is no difference in the words “born of God” and “begotten of God”.
It is the same word used in each of the biblical occurrences, and it is the Greek word “Gennáō”There is another word “Monogenes” often translated also as begotten, which has only nine occurrences in the New testament, with only four occurrences pertaining to Jesus. It is not the same word. It can also mean 'Unique' and some translations, such as the “International Standard Version” have chosen to translate it as 'unique'.
“The Word became flesh and lived among us. We gazed on his glory, the kind of glory that belongs to the Father’s unique Son, who is full of grace and truth.” John 1:14
“No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father’s side, has revealed him.” John 1:18
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his unique Son so that everyone who believes in him might not be lost but have eternal life. ” John 3:16
“Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s unique Son.” John 3:18
“By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered Isaac—he who had received the promises was about to offer his unique son in sacrifice, about whom it had been said, “It is through Isaac that descendants will be named for you.” Hebrews 11:17
“This is how God’s love was revealed among us: God sent his unique Son into the world so that we might live through him.”1John 4:9
And that is the ONLY occurrences of that word “monogenes” pertaining to the topic, compared to the exclusive word “Gennáō” which I will touch upon soon.
The above can be verified with the following links:
http://biblos.com/john/3-16.htm
http://biblesuite.com/greek/3439.htm
http://biblesuite.com/greek/strongs_3439.htm——————–
As for the correct word for beget..
1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, “begotten.”
This is found (only) in the following verses:
(Those marked with an asterisk are pertaining to natural birth – I will only quote those that are pertaining to something different)
*Matt 1:1-16
Matt 1:20
'But as he considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.'
*Matt 2:1
*Matt 2:4
*Matt 19:12
*Matt 26:24
*Mark 14:21
*Luke 1:13Luke 1:35
'And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.'
*Luke 1:57
*Luke 23:29John 1:12-13
'But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.'John 3:3-8
'Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicode'mus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be born anew.' The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit.”*John 8:41
*John 9:2-34
*John 16:21
*John 18:37——————
*Acts 7:8-29
Acts 13:33
'And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, `Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee.'*Acts22:3
*Acts 22:28
*Romans 9:11
*Gal 4:23-29
*2Tim 2:23
1Cor 4:15
Philemon 1:10—————–
Hebrews 1:5
'For to what angel did God ever say,”Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?Hebrews 5:5
'So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee”Hebrews 11:12
'Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.'*Hebrews 11:23
*2Peter 2:121John 2:29
'If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that every one who does right is born of him.'1John 3:9
'No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.'1John 4:7
'Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God.'1John 5:1-18
'Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.'The above can be verified with these links:
http://biblesuite.com/greek/strongs_1080.htm
http://biblesuite.com/greek/1080.htm%5B/color%5D—————-
So what can we learn in that?
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Quote 4.What is the difference between born again, and the renewing of the mind? 'I therefore urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercies, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices that are holy and pleasing to God, for this is the reasonable way for you to worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but continuously be transformed by the renewing of your minds so that you may be able to determine what God's will is—what is proper, pleasing, and perfect.'
It means what it says. Submit to God, do God's will, do not be conformed to the ways of the world, but be transformed by the renewing your mind, to God.
Quote 6.How many times can one be born, according the scriptures? To be honest. Literally, once.
Of water, and spirit, a second time.
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