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Quote (2besee @ Mar. 12 2013,09:59) Wakeup does not like the scriptures that prove Him wrong. He pretends that they are not there.
2Besee.And those scriptures that I have been neglecting are?
wakeup.
Wakeup.
You seem to be a little upset that I did not agree with your Doctrines a few weeks back. Do you believe that you are prophets, or that one of you is a prophet? If so, why do your beliefs not match up with scriptures? I mean, things such as Water Baptism, Sin, The Commandments… Or at least, that is the feeling that I got from what I was reading, that you do not believe in those. Perhaps I misunderstood you?
Do you believe that water baptism is a part of salvation?
Do you believe that the Ten Commandments still exist and should be followed?We'll start with those two.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 13 2013,20:22) Wakeup. You seem to be a little upset that I did not agree with your Doctrines a few weeks back. Do you believe that you are prophets, or that one of you is a prophet? If so, why do your beliefs not match up with scriptures? I mean, things such as Water Baptism, Sin, The Commandments… Or at least, that is the feeling that I got from what I was reading, that you do not believe in those. Perhaps I misunderstood you?
Do you believe that water baptism is a part of salvation?
Do you believe that the Ten Commandments still exist and should be followed?We'll start with those two.
2Besee.Upset? No way.
All prophecies has been ritten down.
I simply interpret them.
The prophets are untill John.Water babtism is simply a symbol of
repentance;one babtised can sin again, and again.
Babtised by the Holy spirit is what we need.Because this is Gods choice to babtise the person.
The apostles only could understand Jesus teachings after they were babtised with the Holy spirit at pantecost.The thief was not babtised with water,but he made it.
Who babtised Abraham,and Jacob and isaac? and the prophets? It is good to be babtised with water,but you wont loose your inheritance if you are not.The ten commandments,is now written in the heart,not in stone. If we depend on the ten commandments to have life,we are all doomed,because no one can keep them.This is the reason why God sacrificed his son,so through him we can obtain mercy.For we all sin.Commandments or not.
We only can get there by his mercy,for no one is good.
The ten commandment can not replace Jesus sacrifice.
We need to follow his works,and if we do;it is obvious
that we dont steal or kill,or worship other gods.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Quote The thief was not babtised with water,but he made it. You do not know if He was baptized with water, or was not!?
It is a commandment of Jesus and of the Apostles.
So, if it is a commandment, should we not listen, and teach others that it is a commandment?We are all sinners,
We are all filthy.
So when we are baptized, then we are cleaned, it is a new beginning.
We are born again.
We will stumble and fall and make mistakes because we are babes learning all over, but we have God as our parent.
We are disciplined,
We feel all alone.
But really, God is there through the Spirit.
And then one day God comes.
And the Spirit is then in our lives.
And we feel God's love, and we see that we are not alone, God is truly there.Of course, God can work with people who have not been Baptized.
But then, knowledge is gained, about this.
Surely you can see, that Jesus and the Apostles teach and COMMAND Baptism by water of both Jew and Gentile?Quote The ten commandments,is now written in the heart,not in stone. If we depend on the ten commandments to have life,we are all doomed,because no one can keep them.This is the reason why God sacrificed his son,so through him we can obtain mercy.For we all sin.Commandments or not. “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.“
Wakeup, I have been in conversation with others who believe that there is no longer any commandments, and that Jesus died for all of our sins, past, present and future, but I disagree. I believe that we have to obey God.
Do you agree, that we have to obey God? And also, do you agree that salvation can be lost because, I believe that it can be if we practice sin, IF we have tasted the heavenly love.
Hebrews 6:4-9.
'It is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.
For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God.
But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.'Hebrews 10:27-31.
'If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.
How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?
For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.'Quote (2besee @ Mar. 14 2013,14:28) Hi Wakeup, Quote The thief was not babtised with water,but he made it. You do not know if He was baptized with water, or was not!?
It is a commandment of Jesus and of the Apostles.
So, if it is a commandment, should we not listen, and teach others that it is a commandment?We are all sinners,
We are all filthy.
So when we are baptized, then we are cleaned, it is a new beginning.
We are born again.
We will stumble and fall and make mistakes because we are babes learning all over, but we have God as our parent.
We are disciplined,
We feel all alone.
But really, God is there through the Spirit.
And then one day God comes.
And the Spirit is then in our lives.
And we feel God's love, and we see that we are not alone, God is truly there.Of course, God can work with people who have not been Baptized.
But then, knowledge is gained, about this.
Surely you can see, that Jesus and the Apostles teach and COMMAND Baptism by water of both Jew and Gentile?Quote The ten commandments,is now written in the heart,not in stone. If we depend on the ten commandments to have life,we are all doomed,because no one can keep them.This is the reason why God sacrificed his son,so through him we can obtain mercy.For we all sin.Commandments or not. “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.“
Wakeup, I have been in conversation with others who believe that there is no longer any commandments, and that Jesus died for all of our sins, past, present and future, but I disagree. I believe that we have to obey God.
Do you agree, that we have to obey God? And also, do you agree that salvation can be lost because, I believe that it can be if we practice sin, IF we have tasted the heavenly love.
Hebrews 6:4-9.
'It is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.
For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God.
But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.'Hebrews 10:27-31.
'If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.
How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?
For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.'
2Besee.Billions and millions are babtised with water.
Just look at the fruits? Have they changed? No.
Is the christian world ONE in the Lord? No.
Despite the water babtism,they have fallen away.
I wash the outside of my car with water,not the inside.
Water babtism washes the dirt on your skin.Even some babtised with the Holy spirit could fall away.
They have crucified the Son of God on their own account
and hold him up to contempt.True christians live with the law in their heart.
It has become one and part of their life.Even if the thief was babtised;That water has not change him a bit, for he ended up a thief.
The law says ''thy shalt not steal.
The mercy of the Lord saved him,not his water babtism.wakeup.
Quote Billions and millions are babtised with water.
Just look at the fruits? Have they changed? No.
Is the christian world ONE in the Lord? No.
Despite the water babtism,they have fallen away.
I wash the outside of my car with water,not the inside.
Water babtism washes the dirt on your skin.Wakeup,
Unless we have some type of an “antisocial disorder” I think it is called… How can we sit on the outside and judge other believers as a whole, when God no doubt has his people who are in there?
What is the second important commandment? LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.Yes, anyone of us can appear to be good, even as if an angel of light.
Anyone of us can grease up to those who are in authority, whilst judging the others…!
If not the people in the churches, so can WE!Quote Water babtism washes the dirt on your skin You say that water baptism washes only the water of your skin.
Well, Wakeup, what about this:1st Peter,18-22
“For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.”See what I mean that you ignore scripture?
Please explain to me what that scripture means to you.Quote (2besee @ Mar. 15 2013,14:31) Quote Billions and millions are babtised with water.
Just look at the fruits? Have they changed? No.
Is the christian world ONE in the Lord? No.
Despite the water babtism,they have fallen away.
I wash the outside of my car with water,not the inside.
Water babtism washes the dirt on your skin.Wakeup,
Unless we have some type of an “antisocial disorder” I think it is called… How can we sit on the outside and judge other believers as a whole, when God no doubt has his people who are in there?
What is the second important commandment? LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.Yes, anyone of us can appear to be good, even as if an angel of light.
Anyone of us can grease up to those who are in authority, whilst judging the others…!
If not the people in the churches, so can WE!Quote Water babtism washes the dirt on your skin You say that water baptism washes only the water of your skin.
Well, Wakeup, what about this:1st Peter,18-22
“For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.”See what I mean that you ignore scripture?
Please explain to me what that scripture means to you.
2Besee.1. Who babtised Noah?That was not speaking of Noahs babtism? Be honest.
2. Israel did not yet exist during the flood and long after.
3.Babtism was not yet encouraged.4.Noah was automatically babtised by the rain,and israel was babtised by crossing the sea.
5.I was caught in the rain a few times,and praising God,in my heart.You want to believe that water babtism is a must to get to heaven,thats fine.
6.What about this: two persons.
one is a church going babtised and a hypocrite.
The other a searching,God fearing and has been babtised with the Holy spirit only . Now which one will be left, and which one will be taken?7.You mention antisocial disorder. This way you are also accusing the Lord,because he and his 12 kept themselves from the others.
Why is this? You should know.
The scriptures states that we should not have any association with hypocrites.Your spirit operates as the spirit of the world.
Sample: Two persons applying for a job;one is white and the other is black.The white got the job because he is more suited for the company,and also more qualified.
And they call that discrimination.
wakeup.
Wakeup.
You have a strange understanding of scriptures. You twist.Do you not understand what Peter is saying?
Noah was a PARALLEL .
“….Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, NOT AS A REMOVAL OF DIRT FROM THE BODY but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience….” (1st Peter,18-22)Yet you know better? Wakeup, really?
You said:
(Quote) “Now which one will be left, and which one will be taken? (Unquote.)As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be, one was taken and other was saved. One is taken and the other is not. Where are they taken? Where the carcass is, there the Vultures are gathered. The ones who are taken away, as in the flood, are sinners.
You said (Quote) “….He (Jesus) and his 12 kept themselves from the others….(Unquote)
No. Jesus walked among the sinners.
Also,
Matthew 28. 18-20
And Jesus came and said to them,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”Wakeup, I can't post as much anymore.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 17 2013,10:37) Wakeup.
You have a strange understanding of scriptures. You twist.Do you not understand what Peter is saying?
Noah was a PARALLEL .
“….Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, NOT AS A REMOVAL OF DIRT FROM THE BODY but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience….” (1st Peter,18-22)Yet you know better? Wakeup, really?
You said:
(Quote) “Now which one will be left, and which one will be taken? (Unquote.)As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be, one was taken and other was saved. One is taken and the other is not. Where are they taken? Where the carcass is, there the Vultures are gathered. The ones who are taken away, as in the flood, are sinners.
You said (Quote) “….He (Jesus) and his 12 kept themselves from the others….(Unquote)
No. Jesus walked among the sinners.
Also,
Matthew 28. 18-20
And Jesus came and said to them,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”Wakeup, I can't post as much anymore.
Hi 2Besee.I should not bother you too much then.
1. you say that my understanding is strange. yes,it should look strange to you,because it is straight of the scriptures.
Your understanding is given to you from out side the scriptures; strange flesh has been incorporated.2.Noah was saved through floating on the water.yes.
The word babtism was not used; you add it on.Why?3.Babtism not just as the removal of dirt from the body.
Meaning you need to be very serious when babtised;with true conviction, and repentance. Not just take it as a tradition;just as the normal thing to do.4. Two sleeping in bed one will be left, and the other taken.
husband and wife in bed,one will be taken,at the coming.
The harvest.One will be left;rejected.5.The ark that will save you is knowledge,with knowledge you are proptected.Knowledge is your armour;your robe;your covering;so you dont appear naked before him;
and he can see your nakedness.6.Jesus indeed went out to teach,but he did not eat and drink with them,such as befriending them.Remember how the apostle were surprised to see Jesus talking to the samaritan woman?
Remember this verse:''Dont be equally yoked with the world(babylon) but be ye separate,for I have taken you out of the world.
2Beese;are you well?
wakeup.
Yes, I am well thank you Wakeup, thank you for asking. I am not spending much time on the Net anymore. Which is good
And how are you?
Will reply to your post when I feel like it, I don't know what to say really, I have grown tired of arguing the point
…. Have you ever gone to a Church? I mean apart from Catholic.
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