All is of God&#8230;

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sorry,but i can not figuring out what you try to say to me,

could rephrase it ,and extend the explanation

Terraricca.
The sacrifice of Jesus was to change you (and all humanity) in the eyes of God. In what way does God now see you, that is different than before His (Jesus) crucifiction?
In other words, you are a different person now than you were before His (Jesus) sacrifice. What has changed? What did this event (His sacrifice) do to you, that now has changed Gods relationship with you?

Hope this explanation is understood by you.

Blessings.

Christ died for all the human race,this was to re conciliate men and God ,in this way we as men could once again talk to God our father in spirit,and so change our ways and fallow our shepherd Christ and transform yourself in to acceptable vessels to God,

this could never be done if Christ did not died on the stake,

yes it changed my live and now i live a life that God approves.

i live in the spirit not in the nature of the flesh.

terraricca.
Yes thanks, that is a good answer to my question. This scripture explains it very well. 2Cor.5:18-21…
18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
20 For Christ, then, are we ambassadors, as of God entreating through us. We are beseeching for Christ's sake, “Be conciliated to God!”
21 For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him.

The only part I disagree with you on is this, you still seem to believe that it is you who are doing what is neccessary for your salvation. You deny that “all is of God”, (Ro.11:36, 1Cor.8:5-7, 1Cor.11:12, 2Cor.5:18).
Your pride in yourself being able to do Gods will is blinding you. Look at scripture Eph.2:10 … For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Notice… “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE”, what could be plainer?
Also Ro.8:28-32 …
28 Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose
29 that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren.
30 Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
31 What then, shall we declare to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32 Surely, He Who spares not His own Son, but gives Him up for us all, how shall He not, together with Him, also, be graciously granting us all?

And Phil.2:12-13 …12 So that, my beloved, according as you always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much rather in my absence, with fear and trembling, be carrying your own salvation into effect,
13 for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
See how God wants you to understand how to carry your salvation into effect? Verse 13 explains it clearly, that it is Him (God) who is operating in you, you personally have no part in justifying yourself.
Trust in God, abandon the pride of self, “All is of God”.

God Bless, Jerry.

April 21, 2010 at 7:36 pm#188167

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sorry,but i can not figuring out what you try to say to me,

could rephrase it ,and extend the explanation

Hope this explanation is understood by you.

Blessings.

this could never be done if Christ did not died on the stake,

yes it changed my live and now i live a life that God approves.

i live in the spirit not in the nature of the flesh.

God Bless, Jerry.

you say;;The only part I disagree with you on is this, you still seem to believe that it is you who are doing what is necessary for your salvation. You deny that “all is of God”, (Ro.11:36,

we have been there ,you still believe that is responsible for your action either good or bad,this is not scriptural,and never be .the truth is that you have to go to God willfully and do his will.

your view is not in the spirit of Christ,and not in the spirit of God.

but more in a salon of hypnotism

April 22, 2010 at 1:00 am#188251

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terraricca.
So you only believe parts of scripture that agree with your version of you saving yourself. You ignore all other scripture that says “All is of God”?
Humble yourself, give God the glory that is His, quit patting yourself on the back, your efforts are in vain. Trust in God and His Son Christ Jesus, He has, and is, doing it ALL.
Blessings.

April 22, 2010 at 1:19 am#188256

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how many scriptures do you have that says “”all is of God “”

and show me the context in which it is said,

and i do not have any will it is God will i do

April 22, 2010 at 5:16 am#188311

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Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2010,13:19)

how many scriptures do you have that says “”all is of God “”

and show me the context in which it is said,

and i do not have any will it is God will i do

terraricca.
I have given you four scriptures in my previous post, do you not read them? Here they are again (Ro.11:36, 1Cor.8:5-7, 1Cor.11:12, 2Cor.5:18). Read them yourself to see the context in which they appear.
You also say “and i do not have any will it is God will i do”

Gods will is not a “wish” or a “hope”, and He doesn't need you to do it. His will WILL BE DONE, it does not depend on you or anyone else to do 'His' will.
As an example see 1Tim.2:3-4 …3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
Do you think He cannot do what He wills? If you don't believe that He can accomplish whatever He wills, then you havn't read Isaiah 46:10 …All My councel shall be confirmed,
and all My desire I will do.
This is His (Gods) word, do you disbelieve?

Blessings, Jerry.

April 22, 2010 at 5:56 am#188318

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Jerry,

God will, will be done. That is true.

That word which He has spoken will not return to Him until it has accomplished what it was set out to do.

Jerry, God has also given mankind, man, a Will of his own.

Because of sin, our Wills now clash. God, seeks the Spiritual Will, Man seeks the Carnal, Fleshly Will.

Jesus brought the Reconcilliation of Wills, but it is not forced, it is pleaded: Whomever accepts the reconcilliation of their Will to that of God's, will be saved.

God Wills that All men should be saved, as an ideal, for God desires that none of His sheep are lost.

God's Word that He spoke was that man would occupy the earth and be bountiful and live within in it. Because of sin, man was doomed to die and that Word of God would have been fruitless. But God already had a plan for salvation (As all good Project Managers should, even Perfect ones!)

So, Jerry, the Word will return to God, fully accomplished through Jesus Christ, and God's Will, will have been done.

Those who did not reconcile their Will to God's, will, be destroyed.

There is no place for Cancerous cells in a healthy body.

April 22, 2010 at 5:58 am#188319

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Jerry,

I think you are simple misunderstanding what brother Terraricca is saying.

April 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm#188379

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how many scriptures do you have that says “”all is of God “”

and show me the context in which it is said,

and i do not have any will it is God will i do

Blessings, Jerry.

God may not need me, but i absolutly need him to be saved and so i plead with him to give me repentance in Christ blood trough his grace.

of cause you don't do anything so like the saying goes do nothing get nothing.

April 22, 2010 at 10:24 pm#188435

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Terra,

God does 'Need' everyone, in a manner of speaking.

The gift of Life through the Spirit of God, is not something to throw off in frivolry.

All Spirit is of God and God DESIRES ALL Spirit life to be saved for His sake.

That is the Desire, but mankind is selfwilled, and many will fail.

I understand 'God does not NEED', meaning, 'If not all are saved it will not stop the world from existing…'

April 23, 2010 at 6:30 am#188534

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terraricca.

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God may not need me, but i absolutly need him to be saved and so i plead with him to give me repentance in Christ blood trough his grace.

I would think that God would reply “Why did you think I sent my son to die for you?”

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of cause you don't do anything so like the saying goes do nothing get nothing.

Why do you assume, incorrectly, that I do nothing? when I do good works, it is not my own, it is God working in me, See (Phil.2: 13 for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.)
Unlike you, I give God all the Glory for any good works that I do, I am a sinner saved by Grace, and I thank God for that.

April 23, 2010 at 7:06 am#188540

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Jerry,
What is it exactly, that you are desputing with Terraricca, if your last post is true?

This is the same as Terra is saying?

Is there some blindness, deceptive spirit, between you both?

April 24, 2010 at 1:02 am#188581

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Jerry,
What is it exactly, that you are desputing with Terraricca, if your last post is true?

This is the same as Terra is saying?

Is there some blindness, deceptive spirit, between you both?

JA.
Would you please give us an example of what you feel is “some blindness” or “deceptive spirit”, that you imply must be present.
Do you not always agree with others on this site?

April 24, 2010 at 1:18 am#188583

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Quote (JustAskin @ April 22 2010,17:56)

Jerry,

God will, will be done. That is true.

That word which He has spoken will not return to Him until it has accomplished what it was set out to do.

Jerry, God has also given mankind, man, a Will of his own.

Because of sin, our Wills now clash. God, seeks the Spiritual Will, Man seeks the Carnal, Fleshly Will.

Jesus brought the Reconcilliation of Wills, but it is not forced, it is pleaded: Whomever accepts the reconcilliation of their Will to that of God's, will be saved.

God Wills that All men should be saved, as an ideal, for God desires that none of His sheep are lost.

So, Jerry, the Word will return to God, fully accomplished through Jesus Christ, and God's Will, will have been done.

Those who did not reconcile their Will to God's, will, be destroyed.

There is no place for Cancerous cells in a healthy body.

JA, this is avery good example of making statements that are contradictions of what you say. It makes no sense at all!

You say… Gods will, will be done. That is true.

Then you add… God Wills that All men should be saved, as an ideal, for God desires that none of His sheep are lost.

Then later you say… Those who did not reconcile their Will to God's, will, be destroyed.

Can you explain how Gods will is done, if He willed all mankind to be saved, but then you say some will be destroyed???

A little double-talk?

April 24, 2010 at 2:06 am#188587

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Jerry,
The blindness is yours.

God's Will was to create the world, the universe and all within.
To create a paradise earth and put a man in it to look after it and all be a 'god' over the creatures within it.

This is His Will, and His Will shall be done. It shall be so. God has purposed it and so it shall be.

However, man also had a Will and a Purpose. God himself gave them that Will and Purpose by the very virtue of creating man in His, God's, image, so we are Gods, also.

Man's Will was originally God's Will, but man has turned away his Will towards his own purpose and thus clashes with God's Will.

So God has given man a choice: Follow after God's Will, turn your Will to God's, and be saved, or, be destroyed.

God cannot save all mankind because Satan set Him a challenge, that man could live without God.
If God were to save all mankind it would prove nothing but that God was scared that man might be able to live without Him, and Satan would gloat, and all the heavenly realm would rebel and all would fall..

God is wise.

God is longsuffering.

God is loving and He wants us to love Him from FreeWill, because we recognise His Majesty, his awesomeness, His Power and All encompassing authority, not from slavish duty as angels do. This is because the Spirit in us us His, or From Him, who willing cuts of their own fingers, toes, arms, legs? Except if they are cancerous, jaundiced, leprous? These latter are those who's Will are not turned to God's.

The Will of the Shepherd is that All the Sheep should return to the Fold, but some sheep Will be lost because they did not heed the voice of the Shepherd.

April 24, 2010 at 2:26 am#188589

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Jerry,

Why do you want to call God a liar because you can't read and correctly discern Scripture.

The Scripture cleary states that MANY will be destroyed in the second judgement.

What do you think you see when you read all those things. Do you just shut your eyes to it. Are you embarrassed that you have picked up a single verse in the bible and misinterpreted it and spent so much wasted time abd effort trying to convince yourself and others that your single misinterpreted verse speaks for the whole of all books of the Bible, even the tens of verses clearly stating the complete opposite of what you say. Are you making yourself God and going to save all mankind?

Think, Jerry,

What are you saying. You are making yourself into a Satan.

You are saying,'Everyone, go out and be as badass as you like, kill, rape, murder, steal, commit adultery, fornicate with animals, create nasty chemical for warfare and man-killing nuclaer bombs..whatever you like, sodomy, gomorahy, any and everything because you know what… God will save you, you will not be destroyed, like those, …those…. those 'others' say. Trust me, I AM JERRY and I'm telling Ya like it will be, yah, Like it IS!!!

And, yeah, You can eat from the Tree of Life, God just wanted to tease you with it. Tell you about it then say…haha you mustn't touch it. Good childrenm hear my teaching: Do as you please, I AM Jerry!'

April 24, 2010 at 4:04 am#188594

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how many scriptures do you have that says “”all is of God “”

and show me the context in which it is said,

and i do not have any will it is God will i do

Blessings, Jerry.

just in your own words what this means;…All My councel shall be confirmed,?

April 24, 2010 at 6:01 am#188600

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JustAskin.
You have managed quite a good scenario of what God is like and what He will do. One thing is suspiciouly missing, that is scripture to support what you say. You have made quite a story of what God has done, is doing, and will do. Why do you not include scripture to confirm what is only your opinion of what the bible is saying, you paint quite a picture of what you think is Gods will, but you don't really understand is that Gods will “will be done”. You give an example of what you believe is Gods will, yet you go on to say He can't possibly complete it, if mankind does not 'do it'.
I can't understand why you feel so opposed to God saving all his creatures, mankind. Is it so discusting to you to see God do what He wills be done? Do you really think that God cannot accomplish what He wills to be done? Does mankind have a “free will” more powerful than Gods will? If so, then you don't understand the power of God.

HE WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE SET OUT TO DO.

Eph.1:11 … in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,

NOTICE “the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will”, Do you not agree with this scripture?

April 24, 2010 at 9:23 am#188605

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Jerry,
Suspicious… My man, not so.
When I am writing I write from the Spirit. I do not [always] have a bible to hand, I don't own a Concordance and I don't always have time to surf the Web.

I post from the Spirit.

Are you telling me that you want me to teach you?

My family is a family of teachers. I have done pupil revision for friends, I was a trainer in Computer [office] Applications. So yeah, just let me know when you are ready for your first lesson, create a topic 'Chose One – Lessons (1)'.

Jerry, I usually charge for my services, but since these lessons you want are not 'of me' but 'of God', they are Free, Gratis and, for nothing, except for your edification and to the Glory of God and the praise of Christ Jesus. My reward will be from God, and he pays well, even everlasting Life.

In the meantime, Read the Scriptures, my refrences are emblasened throughout. If I were to list them I would have to write out the whole Bible for you. If you don't have a Bible, I can send you one or, even easier, 'Google' it.

Ok, just for you: John 3:16 says 'God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, in order that 'Everyone', 'ALL Mankind' …Exercising… Faith in Him might Not Be DESTROYED but have everlasting life.'

John 17:3, 'This means EVERLASTING LIFE, their taking un knowledge if you, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.'

Jerry, what was the purpose of Jesus being put to death? Was it not to demonstrate that holding to the truth, walking in the way of God and sacrificing oneself to God, in death in the flesh would attain you life in the spirit? And only so.

James 5:20, 'let him know that he who turns a sinner from error of his ways will SAVE a Soul FROM DEATH and cover a multitude and sins.

April 24, 2010 at 3:48 pm#188614

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Jerry,

Who are the ones being talked about in Ephesians 1:11?

Is it not the elected Apostles, predestined by God from the beginning?

Are you saying that this is your 'proof' that ALL Mankind will be saved? ALL Predestined by God from the beginning?

Jerry, verse 4: 'just as He chose us in Him…', these are the elected.
Verse 9, 'having made known to us [the elected] the mystery of His Will, according to His good pleasure…'
Are all men privy to the mystery of God's Will? You certainly are not?

Verse 10: '…He might gather together in one all things in Christ…'
Jerry, who are the 'ones in Christ'? Is it not the Dusciples, Apostles, Saints, and all who profess and believe in Christ?
So who are the ones who do not believe in Christ? Do you know, do you hear, have you seen, have you read, of the many who deny Christ? They are not 'in Christ'.

Jerry, why did you choose that verse to demonstrate your claim, the very chapter of from it comes that completely destroys the very argument you placed here?

April 24, 2010 at 9:10 pm#188637