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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,03:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 08 2010,16:36) Why do you think she was depressed and unhappy? Couldn't tell you, I'm not a psychologist.
Quote Was it your resignation and failure to draw her to you? Sorry, but I believe other people are not to be the source of our own happiness. Plus, I do not believe that men control women as Islam teaches.
Quote I don't mean to be mean but the fact is most men fail to be Godly and failing to be the man of the house they often become pushovers and get left. Have you stopped beating your wife, BD?
Quote I find Christians have a big problem being men these days
hence you blamed your weakness on Christianity and God
instead of your own weakness, incompetence and perhaps impotence.You should not have given up your manhood to pretend being Christian but it's not your fault that's how they train Christian men these days.
You should repent to God for allowing a women to be your IDOL. Had you put God before your wife she would have never left you(Sorry , but it's the truth)
What a load of rubbish. You presume too much, and know none of the facts.All I see in you is a bigot who thinks that only those who practice your chosen religion are right. It is people like yourself who give your religion a bad name.
So you don't believe you were supposed to make your wife happy? You really believe she was responsible for her own happiness? What was the point of you getting married if you were not invested in her happiness?I was right it was your resignation, how sad, you probably didn't even know it.
You don't believe that a man is different than a woman?
You really don't believe that your wife wanted you to hold her like a man and feel safe in your arms even evolution theory states that a man and a woman have different needs and concerns and yes you should have been in CONTROL of your family and the LEADER of the pack and not some “whatever” guy.
You will never keep a woman happy until she is drawn to you, that is a fact.
You should repent to God and start teaching your children to Worship and love God even if they never join a particular group. Don't just leave them out there confused and if the Mom is still teaching them about God you should support her teachings because being “Nice” is not always the right thing to do, who wouldn't love a permissive father?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,11:59) So you don't believe you were supposed to make your wife happy? No. Do you know why? Because happiness comes from within a person. I can do my best to try to please another person, but doing so will not always give the intended results. Some people have to look within themselves to discover the cause of strife in their life.
Quote You really believe she was responsible for her own happiness? What was the point of you getting married if you were not invested in her happiness? Again, it appears you have no clue about what a real marriage is about. Or real relationships with fellow humans.
Relationships are not about making another person happy. What if she was a drug addict and making her happy meant buying her drugs? Or what if she realized she was a lesbian, would I need to bring home women for her to sleep with be the solution?
It seems you have quite a bit to learn about humanity. Cast off your dark religion and come into the real world.
Quote I was right it was your resignation, how sad, you probably didn't even know it. Again, you know nothing about my life. You simply make presumptions based on your own biases. You think that whatever works for you must work for all. How arrogant and conceited you are. Is that a trait of other Muslims as well?
Quote You don't believe that a man is different than a woman? Yes, but what does that have to do with the discussion? Nothing thus far it seems.
Quote You really don't believe that your wife wanted you to hold her like a man and feel safe in your arms even evolution theory states that a man and a woman have different needs and concerns and yes you should have been in CONTROL of your family and the LEADER of the pack and not some “whatever” guy. What a stretch. Have you considered that perhaps I did try to show the proper affection to my wife but that she spurned it for whatever reasons? No, again, you presumed.
What I am sensing is a projection of your own failures in life upon what you see is mine. Do not assume I am anything like you.
Quote You will never keep a woman happy until she is drawn to you, that is a fact. Only partially correct. If one must change themselves to satisfy another person — even if the changes are negative personally — then the drawing power is a false one.
You see, the biggest reason our relationship fell apart is that my ex-wife tried her best to make me into what she wanted me to be. I accepted her for who she was, but she could not do the same for me.
Changing myself into the person she wanted might have resulted in temporary happiness for her, but it would have led to my own sorrow. What good is a relationship when one must live a lie to please the other?
Quote You should repent to God and start teaching your children to Worship and love God even if they never join a particular group. Don't just leave them out there confused and if the Mom is still teaching them about God you should support her teachings because being “Nice” is not always the right thing to do, who wouldn't love a permissive father?
Why should I “repent”? I am not beholden to some invisible, silent, uninvolved ethereal figure in the sky.All I see from you are inaccurate presumptions followed up by empty preaching. The former is insulting, the latter falls on death ears.
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,05:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,11:59) So you don't believe you were supposed to make your wife happy? No. Do you know why? Because happiness comes from within a person. I can do my best to try to please another person, but doing so will not always give the intended results. Some people have to look within themselves to discover the cause of strife in their life.
Quote You really believe she was responsible for her own happiness? What was the point of you getting married if you were not invested in her happiness? Again, it appears you have no clue about what a real marriage is about. Or real relationships with fellow humans.
Relationships are not about making another person happy. What if she was a drug addict and making her happy meant buying her drugs? Or what if she realized she was a lesbian, would I need to bring home women for her to sleep with be the solution?
It seems you have quite a bit to learn about humanity. Cast off your dark religion and come into the real world.
Quote I was right it was your resignation, how sad, you probably didn't even know it. Again, you know nothing about my life. You simply make presumptions based on your own biases. You think that whatever works for you must work for all. How arrogant and conceited you are. Is that a trait of other Muslims as well?
Quote You don't believe that a man is different than a woman? Yes, but what does that have to do with the discussion? Nothing thus far it seems.
Quote You really don't believe that your wife wanted you to hold her like a man and feel safe in your arms even evolution theory states that a man and a woman have different needs and concerns and yes you should have been in CONTROL of your family and the LEADER of the pack and not some “whatever” guy. What a stretch. Have you considered that perhaps I did try to show the proper affection to my wife but that she spurned it for whatever reasons? No, again, you presumed.
What I am sensing is a projection of your own failures in life upon what you see is mine. Do not assume I am anything like you.
Quote You will never keep a woman happy until she is drawn to you, that is a fact. Only partially correct. If one must change themselves to satisfy another person — even if the changes are negative personally — then the drawing power is a false one.
You see, the biggest reason our relationship fell apart is that my ex-wife tried her best to make me into what she wanted me to be. I accepted her for who she was, but she could not do the same for me.
Changing myself into the person she wanted might have resulted in temporary happiness for her, but it would have led to my own sorrow. What good is a relationship when one must live a lie to please the other?
Quote You should repent to God and start teaching your children to Worship and love God even if they never join a particular group. Don't just leave them out there confused and if the Mom is still teaching them about God you should support her teachings because being “Nice” is not always the right thing to do, who wouldn't love a permissive father?
Why should I “repent”? I am not beholden to some invisible, silent, uninvolved ethereal figure in the sky.All I see from you are inaccurate presumptions followed up by empty preaching. The former is insulting, the latter falls on death ears.
As I said you were not in control, she was.Happiness does not come from within a person if that was true it would not matter what she wanted you to do, you would simply manufacture more happiness inside yourself, The fact is all happiness comes from a source that is not within unless it is also from without.
This site might make you somewhat happy because of your interaction with others and if so, I'm glad it does
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,12:53) As I said you were not in control, she was. In control of her own emotions, no. In control of our marriage, after awhile, yes. Because she refused to make it work, so I no longer had any control.
Quote Happiness does not come from within a person if that was true it would not matter what she wanted you to do, you would simply manufacture more happiness inside yourself, The fact is all happiness comes from a source that is not within unless it is also from without. Wrong. If what you say is true, money can buy happiness (external). Drugs can give one happiness (external). Booze can result in happiness (external). Fishing can give one true happiness (external).
The same goes for other people. I am external to someone else. I therefore cannot truly make someone happy unless that person wants to be happy.
Quote This site might make you somewhat happy because of your interaction with others and if so, I'm glad it does
This site does not make me happy, it just gives me something to do to keep my mind active. I may achieve some mild entertainment value from it, but I could just as easily be angered by this site. Its all up to me as an individual.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,07:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,12:53) As I said you were not in control, she was. In control of her own emotions, no. In control of our marriage, after awhile, yes. Because she refused to make it work, so I no longer had any control.
Quote Happiness does not come from within a person if that was true it would not matter what she wanted you to do, you would simply manufacture more happiness inside yourself, The fact is all happiness comes from a source that is not within unless it is also from without. Wrong. If what you say is true, money can buy happiness (external). Drugs can give one happiness (external). Booze can result in happiness (external). Fishing can give one true happiness (external).
The same goes for other people. I am external to someone else. I therefore cannot truly make someone happy unless that person wants to be happy.
Quote This site might make you somewhat happy because of your interaction with others and if so, I'm glad it does
This site does not make me happy, it just gives me something to do to keep my mind active. I may achieve some mild entertainment value from it, but I could just as easily be angered by this site. Its all up to me as an individual.
Are you saying sometimes you “choose” to be angry?Doesn't it make you happy to keep your mind active?
Money can buy happiness
Drugs can give one happiness
Booze can result in happiness
fishing can give one true happiness (ask Douglass)In-fact you could have enough money to get a boat and go fishing and then later celebrate your catches with booze and drugs(If that's what a person likes to do)
Why do you think God gave us so many fruits and beautiful scenery and sexual intercourse for.
I love to settle in and enjoy all the fruits of the earth with my wife, what a great Joy! We recently even bought a little 1 year old Japenese chin lap dog and it even increased our happiness even more.
The entire creation was made for us to enjoy it and when we enjoy it externally it reflects internally.
That is why Jails and prisons are punishment, its because our external rights are sharply curtailed and so it also is when you do not EXPRESS yourself, when you stop EXPRESSING you become DEPRESSED and this is what happened in your marriage.
What if you had expressed a great joy and a great power, who could resist such a thing?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,04:46) So if they had been taught not to be homosexuals from youth many would still be alive, right?
Follow this link for what real psychologist really think about sexual orientation, and whether gay people can be 'taught' out of their sexuality:http://www.treatmentshomosexuality.org.uk/
Anyway, the islamic treatment for gays would remove the need for suicide, wouldn't it:
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals were performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. The Taliban were divided on the exact method of execution. Some thought that they should be thrown off the highest building in the city; others suggested that they dig a pit beside a wall, put the convicted in the hole, and topple the wall upon them. From various news reports, they settled on the latter.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla1.htm
You really don't understand very much about the world, do you. I think that is definitely an islamic trait, and the mechanism I suggest for how muslims come to know little about the world is that they are lied to by clerics and are forced to rote-learn the koran from an early age, before they have developed abstract thinking for dealing with the adult themes contained therein, in a critical way.
Islam: the religion of intellectual child abuse and murder of homosexuals.
Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:05) I did not realize Islam was full of so much materialism.
Looks like the pop psychology of the ignorant to me.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 10 2010,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,04:46) So if they had been taught not to be homosexuals from youth many would still be alive, right?
Follow this link for what real psychologist really think about sexual orientation, and whether gay people can be 'taught' out of their sexuality:http://www.treatmentshomosexuality.org.uk/
Anyway, the islamic treatment for gays would remove the need for suicide, wouldn't it:
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals were performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. The Taliban were divided on the exact method of execution. Some thought that they should be thrown off the highest building in the city; others suggested that they dig a pit beside a wall, put the convicted in the hole, and topple the wall upon them. From various news reports, they settled on the latter.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla1.htm
You really don't understand very much about the world, do you. I think that is definitely an islamic trait, and the mechanism I suggest for how muslims come to know little about the world is that they are lied to by clerics and are forced to rote-learn the koran from an early age, before they have developed abstract thinking for dealing with the adult themes contained therein, in a critical way.
Islam: the religion of intellectual child abuse and murder of homosexuals.
Stuart
do we teach violent people not to act on their impulses or thieves not to act on his impulses?What if someone was incestuous should we not teach them not to have sex with their sisters or brothers or mothers or fathers? Your logic is terribly weak, to feel a certain way does not mean it should be allowed
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:05) I did not realize Islam was full of so much materialism.
Not Just Islam, all religion is materialistic. Spirituality must be placed in a materialistic understanding. We Use the Spirit to strengthen the fleshQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,13:04) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 10 2010,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,04:46) So if they had been taught not to be homosexuals from youth many would still be alive, right?
Follow this link for what real psychologist really think about sexual orientation, and whether gay people can be 'taught' out of their sexuality:http://www.treatmentshomosexuality.org.uk/
Anyway, the islamic treatment for gays would remove the need for suicide, wouldn't it:
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals were performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. The Taliban were divided on the exact method of execution. Some thought that they should be thrown off the highest building in the city; others suggested that they dig a pit beside a wall, put the convicted in the hole, and topple the wall upon them. From various news reports, they settled on the latter.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla1.htm
You really don't understand very much about the world, do you. I think that is definitely an islamic trait, and the mechanism I suggest for how muslims come to know little about the world is that they are lied to by clerics and are forced to rote-learn the koran from an early age, before they have developed abstract thinking for dealing with the adult themes contained therein, in a critical way.
Islam: the religion of intellectual child abuse and murder of homosexuals.
Stuart
do we teach violent people not to act on their impulses or thieves not to act on his impulses?What if someone was incestuous should we not teach them not to have sex with their sisters or brothers or mothers or fathers? Your logic is terribly weak, to feel a certain way does not mean it should be allowed
Once again, your 'logic' consists of the fallacy of composition. Perhaps you can explain what criminal activity has to do with sexual orientation.Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,20:06) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:05) I did not realize Islam was full of so much materialism.
Not Just Islam, all religion is materialistic. Spirituality must be placed in a materialistic understanding. We Use the Spirit to strengthen the flesh
Well how…shallow. Yet another reason religion is not right for me.Quote (Stu @ Jan. 10 2010,13:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,13:04) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 10 2010,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,04:46) So if they had been taught not to be homosexuals from youth many would still be alive, right?
Follow this link for what real psychologist really think about sexual orientation, and whether gay people can be 'taught' out of their sexuality:http://www.treatmentshomosexuality.org.uk/
Anyway, the islamic treatment for gays would remove the need for suicide, wouldn't it:
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals were performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. The Taliban were divided on the exact method of execution. Some thought that they should be thrown off the highest building in the city; others suggested that they dig a pit beside a wall, put the convicted in the hole, and topple the wall upon them. From various news reports, they settled on the latter.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla1.htm
You really don't understand very much about the world, do you. I think that is definitely an islamic trait, and the mechanism I suggest for how muslims come to know little about the world is that they are lied to by clerics and are forced to rote-learn the koran from an early age, before they have developed abstract thinking for dealing with the adult themes contained therein, in a critical way.
Islam: the religion of intellectual child abuse and murder of homosexuals.
Stuart
do we teach violent people not to act on their impulses or thieves not to act on his impulses?What if someone was incestuous should we not teach them not to have sex with their sisters or brothers or mothers or fathers? Your logic is terribly weak, to feel a certain way does not mean it should be allowed
Once again, your 'logic' consists of the fallacy of composition. Perhaps you can explain what criminal activity has to do with sexual orientation.Stuart
Sexual orientation is chosen just like every physical act, Homosexuality is not a condition in which a person must have sex with the same sex or sex at all.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,13:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,20:06) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:05) I did not realize Islam was full of so much materialism.
Not Just Islam, all religion is materialistic. Spirituality must be placed in a materialistic understanding. We Use the Spirit to strengthen the flesh
Well how…shallow. Yet another reason religion is not right for me.
Is it shallow to know you need food and water or human companionship?It is not good for man to be alone
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,21:12) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,13:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,20:06) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:05) I did not realize Islam was full of so much materialism.
Not Just Islam, all religion is materialistic. Spirituality must be placed in a materialistic understanding. We Use the Spirit to strengthen the flesh
Well how…shallow. Yet another reason religion is not right for me.
Is it shallow to know you need food and water or human companionship?It is not good for man to be alone
You simply do not know the difference between materialism and necessity, do you?And it is not good for man to be alone. That is not a religious revelation but a biological fact. We are not asexual creatures.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,14:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 10 2010,13:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,13:04) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 10 2010,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,04:46) So if they had been taught not to be homosexuals from youth many would still be alive, right?
Follow this link for what real psychologist really think about sexual orientation, and whether gay people can be 'taught' out of their sexuality:http://www.treatmentshomosexuality.org.uk/
Anyway, the islamic treatment for gays would remove the need for suicide, wouldn't it:
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals were performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. The Taliban were divided on the exact method of execution. Some thought that they should be thrown off the highest building in the city; others suggested that they dig a pit beside a wall, put the convicted in the hole, and topple the wall upon them. From various news reports, they settled on the latter.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla1.htm
You really don't understand very much about the world, do you. I think that is definitely an islamic trait, and the mechanism I suggest for how muslims come to know little about the world is that they are lied to by clerics and are forced to rote-learn the koran from an early age, before they have developed abstract thinking for dealing with the adult themes contained therein, in a critical way.
Islam: the religion of intellectual child abuse and murder of homosexuals.
Stuart
do we teach violent people not to act on their impulses or thieves not to act on his impulses?What if someone was incestuous should we not teach them not to have sex with their sisters or brothers or mothers or fathers? Your logic is terribly weak, to feel a certain way does not mean it should be allowed
Once again, your 'logic' consists of the fallacy of composition. Perhaps you can explain what criminal activity has to do with sexual orientation.Stuart
Sexual orientation is chosen just like every physical act, Homosexuality is not a condition in which a person must have sex with the same sex or sex at all.
You could demonstrate that sexuality is achosen characteristic by you choosing, even temporarily, to be a practicing homosexual. Do you think you could do that for us?Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,14:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,21:12) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,13:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,20:06) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:05) I did not realize Islam was full of so much materialism.
Not Just Islam, all religion is materialistic. Spirituality must be placed in a materialistic understanding. We Use the Spirit to strengthen the flesh
Well how…shallow. Yet another reason religion is not right for me.
Is it shallow to know you need food and water or human companionship?It is not good for man to be alone
You simply do not know the difference between materialism and necessity, do you?And it is not good for man to be alone. That is not a religious revelation but a biological fact. We are not asexual creatures.
Kejonn,Do you need to own a computer to survive, Do you need Mayo on that sandwhich, do you need your furnishings?
The sad thing is you don't seem to even appreciate what you do have.
If you think your not materialistic that's one of your main problems
BD
How are you going with your preparation for demonstrating that homosexuality is chosen? I should think just a couple of days of you choosing to be gay would demonstrate your point beyond reasonable doubt.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 11 2010,07:01) BD How are you going with your preparation for demonstrating that homosexuality is chosen? I should think just a couple of days of you choosing to be gay would demonstrate your point beyond reasonable doubt.
Stuart
Are you saying that a person does not choose to act on what they feel?There are people predisposed to violence, don't these people have a choice of acting or not acting?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 11 2010,08:16) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 11 2010,07:01) BD How are you going with your preparation for demonstrating that homosexuality is chosen? I should think just a couple of days of you choosing to be gay would demonstrate your point beyond reasonable doubt.
Stuart
Are you saying that a person does not choose to act on what they feel?There are people predisposed to violence, don't these people have a choice of acting or not acting?
No, indeed it was YOU who claimed that, when you wrote:Quote Sexual orientation is chosen just like every physical act Sexual orientation is not a sexual act, is it.
Stuart
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