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In the book of Enoch the letters “A.K.A.E” means: Also known as Eagle. Michael the ArchAngel is also known as the Eagle and the bird of prey. See: Isaiah and Revelations. And, no I wont tell you were this info comes from!
No offence MTAA, but you are not Michael the Archangel. Why call yourself this?
Secondly, you have created a few threads on Michael the Achangel. I don't know that this subject deserves this many threads. This specific thread won't go very far. It will just add to the mass of threads we already have, making it harder to find other threads.
I'm sorry for saying this, but I just feel that we don't need to start a thread most every time we want to say something.david.
This book is not a recognized canon and should not be considered by saints as fiction. If Israel doesn't consider it profitable as the word of God and Lord Jesus quoted nothing from these books that were not included, then they should be avoided.
“Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him.” (Jude 14, 15)
Many scholars contend that Enoch’s prophecy against his ungodly contemporaries is quoted directly from the Book of Enoch. Is it possible that Jude used an unreliable apocryphal book as his source?
How Jude knew of Enoch’s prophecy is not revealed in the Scriptures. He may simply have quoted a common source, a reliable tradition handed down from remote antiquity. Paul evidently did something similar when he named Jannes and Jambres as the otherwise anonymous magicians of Pharaoh’s court who opposed Moses. If the writer of the Book of Enoch had access to an ancient source of this kind, why should we deny it to Jude?—Exodus 7:11, 22; 2 Timothy 3:8.
How Jude received the information about Enoch’s message to the ungodly is a minor matter. Its reliability is attested to by the fact that Jude wrote under divine inspiration. (2 Timothy 3:16) God’s holy spirit guarded him from stating anything that was not true.
R. C. H. Lenski notes: “We ask: ‘What is the source of this patchwork, the Book of Enoch?’ This book is an accretion, and nobody is sure of the dates of its various parts . . . ; nobody can be sure that some of its expressions were not, perhaps, taken from Jude himself.”
) Whether Jude received this information through direct revelation or by reliable transmission (either oral or written) is not known. If the latter was the case, this may explain the presence of a similar reference to Enoch’s prophesying in the apocryphal book of Enoch (thought to have been written probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E.). A common source could have furnished the basis for the statement in the inspired letter as well as in the apocryphal book.
Taken from Wikipedia.org
The book is referred to, and quoted, in Jude, 1:14–15 (KJV):
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [men], saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Compare this with Enoch 1:9, translated from the Ethiopian:
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
The Greek language text was known to, and quoted by nearly all, Church Fathers. A number of the Church Fathers thought it to be an inspired work, particularly Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen, Clement of Alexandria and Tertullian, based on its quotation in Jude. However, some later Fathers denied the canonicity of the book and some even considered the letter of Jude uncanonical because it refers to an “apocryphal” work (Cf. Gerome, Catal. Script. Eccles. 4.).
The Jewish Sanhedrin at Yavneh c. 90 AD removed this book from its Scriptures. Partly due to this, the book was discredited after the (Christian) Council of Laodicea in 364. The Greek text was subsequently lost.
Also taken from wikipedia.org, under “book of enoch”
“Most modern scholars consider the Enochic literature to be pseudepigraphal.”
Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ June 12 2006,13:57) In the book of Enoch the letters “A.K.A.E” means: Also known as Eagle. Michael the ArchAngel is also known as the Eagle and the bird of prey. See: Isaiah and Revelations. And, no I wont tell you were this info comes from!
Well, that's a problem. It's important for believers to cosult the scriptural source for claims like yours. If not, we would detract from the word as our source–and that wouldn't be good.Quote Most modern scholars do not believe Jesus is the Son of God. Very true. Let's keep that in mind. Let's also remember that Wikipedia is still a wiki; it can be edited by anyone. It's a useful source, but it's not perfect.
As for the validity of the Book of Enoch, there are at least 2-3 other threads on it.
Hi Mr Bob,
I agree. “Superspiritual people” who claim to have special and private knowledge are not usually listening to the Spirit of God because that Spirit is one with us are we have no secrets in the Spirit.Quote Hi david,
Most modern scholars do not believe Jesus is the Son of God.
And most modern scholars also believe that the earth isn't flat.They're not always wrong, and not always right, either.
But what my quote showed was that it is definitely not agreed or clear that Enoch is what you believe it is.
T8 quoted from wickipedia. I wanted to see what it said. It also contained the quote I gave.Hi david,
As you show scholarship in matters of God is only valuable if it leads you to the one source of all that is Written and that is the Spirit of God. Only in that Spirit can we see the kingdom[jn 3]and search the deep things of God[1 cor 3.10f]“those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God”
The book of Enoch is a compilation of books like the Bible is a compilation.
We cannot say that these books are wrong or not inspired by opinion.
If they contradict scripture, then that is good enough to rule them out.
I haven't seen a contradiction as yet. But then again, I haven't read these books to any great depth.What I have read seems quite amazing. The opening verses of the Book of Enoch tell us that the revelations in this book were not meant for Enoch's generation, rather a remote generation. The books seem to make perfect sense these days as they talk about the messiah”; “the righteous one”; “the chosen one” and “the son of man.”
I am open to reading other writings and some of the Second Century father's writings I also consider to be truth.
I particularly think The Shepherd of Hermas and the The Epistle of Polycarp to the Phillipians are good reading.
I do not let Athanasius dictate to me what is scripture and what isn't.
Quote (david @ June 13 2006,01:32) No offence MTAA, but you are not Michael the Archangel. Why call yourself this?
Secondly, you have created a few threads on Michael the Achangel. I don't know that this subject deserves this many threads. This specific thread won't go very far. It will just add to the mass of threads we already have, making it harder to find other threads.
I'm sorry for saying this, but I just feel that we don't need to start a thread most every time we want to say something.david.
I use the title: MichaelTheeArchAngel so that I my use it in the future in regards to the subject. Other people are using the other forms of that title, so therefore I am not able to use the others because they are in use. Is that any help to you? If you like you can call me Mike, or even, hey you! MTAA is also fine.I find that 2 Pet 2 validates Jude, so if Jude mentions Enoch, that makes it good enough for me to read and I look forward to reading it. Two or three witnesses.
Quote (MrBob @ June 13 2006,10:16) wrote:
If I said that I came about the Info by a devine revelation, how would you know if that was true? As far as I know, there is no info available to back up the claim that AKAE means: “Also known as Eagle”. The only fact I know, is that it is not a English, Hebrew or Greek word. Is that any help to you? If not try praying about it. There is a lot of things that I would like to say, but most people cant believe even the things that I can prove.
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