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Hi,
I believe this scripture deserves a thread of it's own.” 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”
I have never seen any trinitarian tackle this verse which refutes their belief that Jesus was God and worked in his own godly powers.
Nick, it's possible that WJ won't even see this topic. You should have made the title of the topic: Question for WJ: Acts 10:38
Hi ACC,
So Jesus Christ was not always anointed with the Holy Spirit and power. Before the anointing at the Jordan he was a good son who became a carpenter and settled in Capernaum. Then God showed men Himself in power and actions done through this amazing vessel.But men have always murdered the prophets as they hate God, and such was the fate of Jesus.
An interesting topic Nick. Jesus was endowed with wisdom before He received the Holy Spirit as shown in Luk 2:46 And it happened that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both hearing them and questioning them.
Luk 2:47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.He received power when He received the Holy Spirit to perform the things the Father asked Him to. Joh 5:30 I can do nothing of My own self. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of the Father who has sent Me.
Hi Oxy,
Of course to have the understanding for wisdom to reveal
he had to study the bible in faith assisted by his Dad.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,13:22) Hi Oxy,
Of course to have the understanding for wisdom to reveal
he had to study the bible in faith assisted by his Dad.
He was definately assisted by His Dad. Wisdom is an interesting thing. You could start a new topic on that. Wisdom does not necessarily come from understanding, or even knowledge! Quite often it is a gift!Ecc 2:26 For God gives wisdom, and knowledge, and joy to a man who is good in His sight. But to the sinner He gives labor, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him who is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.
Hi Oxy,
I agree. Perhaps you should start one.
Scripture is the wisdom of God
Luke 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,14:21) Hi Oxy,
I agree. Perhaps you should start one.
Scripture is the wisdom of God
Luke 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Not sure that I would call Scripture the Wisdom of God. Scripture records what the Wisdom of God had to say, and there is definately wisdom in the Scriptures.I would tend to think of the Wisdom of God being one of His attributes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,14:33) Hi Oxy,
If Christ calls scripture the wisdom of God that is enough for me.
I don't see that Christ is calling the Scripture the wisdom of God. It wasn't Scripture that said “Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:”But it is recorded in Scripture that this is what the Wisdom of God said.
The thing that amuses me here is that you are saying that if Jesus said it, it's good enough for you, which is exactly the same argument I used in the debate about the Holy Spirit. Jesus said when He the Holy Spirit comes He will etc etc.
Hi Oxy,
HE or IT are options for that word used of the Spirit of God.
But the words Christ used for the wisdom of God seem clear.Hi Oxy,
Tyndale I believe had this usage in an early bible.
I think the problem can be traced to respect for God.
The Spirit of God is how God manifests within His creation.“IT” sounds disrepectful and so the general usage is “HE” but the Spirit is of God the father.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,17:39) Hi Oxy,
Tyndale I believe had this usage in an early bible.
I think the problem can be traced to respect for God.
The Spirit of God is how God manifests within His creation.“IT” sounds disrepectful and so the general usage is “HE” but the Spirit is of God the father.
So even though Scripture does not call the Spirit of God “It”, and even though Jesus specifically and repeatedly calls the Holy Spirit “He”, you choose to believe otherwise?Think about it Nick! I mean that respectfully.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,17:44) Hi Oxy,
Both words are acceptable translations.
When you know the Holy Spirit, that kinda changes.Who said anything about trinity? Are you putting words in my mouth again? You want me to eat more words?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,16:01) Hi Oxy,
really?
But trinity belief comes from outside of Scripture.
It is gnostic.
The trinity is gnostic. Paul understood so as he mentioned Christ the Firstborn over all the pleroma. (fullness of the Godhead including all spirits ever born of God).The trinity respresented God and the very first 2 spirits eminated. It represented the administration of how God operates. He uses his word and wisdom in his dealings with man. His word and wisdom are of “god” substance but they are not “GOD”. They are elohim in nature but are not the MOST HIGH.
the sophia and the logos
the wisdom and the word
the holy spirit and the son
But the trinity's current form of the doctrine is completely different. They made these 2 spirits multiple personalities of the Most High giving him a modern day diagnosis of a mental disorder. They then cut off the rest of the lesser orders of the godhead after only the first 2 spirits.
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