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Since Jesus died for our sins, and has become our perfect Sacrifice, do we still have to go to the throne of God and ask for forgiveness of that sin? Or is it an insult to God to do so?
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Cindy @ July 11 2009,22:56) Since Jesus died for our sins, and has become our perfect Sacrifice, do we still have to go to the throne of God and ask for forgiveness of that sin? Or is it an insult to God to do so?
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Irene.
Jesus died for the sins of the world over 2000 years ago. Are your sins payed for? Of course they are, He paid a very dear price, excruciating pain, being scourged until His body was bloodied all over, then nailed to a cross and hung until He died.Was this not enough? Why would God put His Son through such agony, if all you had to do for your sins to be forgiven is, as you say, “go to the throne of God and ask”?
Have a look at 2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Notice “not reckoning their offenses to them” (mankind). What could be plainer?You ask “is it an insult to God?” You give the answer!
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Lots of folk stood and mocked him as he died and he called out for their forgiveness.
It was never automatic and as if by magic all being saved by his death.Such a gift does nothing for those who do not respond to it and repent.[acts 17]
Whatever is not of faith is of sin and your words are not of faith are they?
NH.
You are still quoting the words under the “old covenant”. Wake up and try to understand that we are now under the covenant of “the Grace of God”.1 John 1:8-10
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”It sounds to me like those who are saved are suppose to confess their sins to God.
Hi CB.
Fellowship with God as the Light leads to the discovery of all that is of the darkness. Sin in the saint is made manifest by the light. Away from the light sin may not be detected; it may be unknown. The Circumcision have constant recourse to the pardoning and cleansing virtues of the blood. Under the present reign of grace sin is always submerged by God's favor, so that no pardon is required or possible. Some will say that this puts a premium on sin. This is the very objection which is discussed and refuted in the sixth chapter of the epistle to the Romans. But it works out the very opposite in practice. Man is a contradiction. When the law says “Thou shalt not” it awakens in him a desire to do the very thing that God prohibits. And it is a blessed fact that, when the sluice gates of grace are opened wide so that there is no condemnation no matter what he does, he loses the desire to sin and finds in the very grace which guarantees immunity a latent power which enables him to rise above it.I copied this explanation of 1John1:8 from the 'Concordant Publishing Concern', because it explains it better than I could.
Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,14:31) Hi CO,
When did you enter?
NH.
This will explain when YOU were included as well…The incident of the Canaanitish woman is of surpassing interest to us, for it shows clearly what was the status of the nations in our Lord's ministry. Her very mistakes are instructive. The nations have no part in the Son of David. He is Israel's King. No matter how much she may implore the Son of David, He answers her not a word. Let no one suppose that His heart was not touched or that He did not wish to be gracious. She has come to the wrong door. Yet He will not dismiss her. Finally, He tells why He cannot help. The Son of David, the character she approached, has no commission outside the nation of Israel. An oriental king is considered the father of his people. They are his children. The Canaanitish woman had no claim on His bounty. This is the key to Christ's earthly mission. He was a Servant of the Circumcision, not of the Uncircumcision (Ro.15:8). During His ministry the nations did not even have the place they received in the Pentecostal era. When, after much preparation, the apostles were taught that proselytes, such as Cornelius, could share a little of Israel's spiritual blessings (Ac.10). Later, at Pisidian Antioch, the door was opened by Paul, to some who were not proselytes (Ac.13:46-47). But it was not until the end of the Acts era that the salvation of God is sent directly to the nations (Ac.28:28). The latter half of the second chapter of Ephesians (2:11-22) is an elaborate statement showing that, in the present administration of God's grace, the nations are no longer in the inferior position accorded them in Paul's earlier ministry.
Christ is Lord of all (Ac.10:36). Under this title even the Canaanitish woman was within His jurisdiction. She worships and calls for help. Yet even thus, she is by no means on an equal footing with the favored nation. Only the scraps are for her. If she will take the place of a cur, she can have a little of the leavings. This is the place we gentiles have in the ministry of Christ. Our position was improved in the succeeding Pentecostal era. But it was not until Paul's imprisonment that we were brought nigh and enter the family of God (Eph.2:18-19). Until then we were still guests at Israel's table, if not puppies under it.Copied from the “CPC”.
Quote (chosenone @ July 24 2009,06:39) Hi CB.
Fellowship with God as the Light leads to the discovery of all that is of the darkness. Sin in the saint is made manifest by the light. Away from the light sin may not be detected; it may be unknown. The Circumcision have constant recourse to the pardoning and cleansing virtues of the blood. Under the present reign of grace sin is always submerged by God's favor, so that no pardon is required or possible. Some will say that this puts a premium on sin. This is the very objection which is discussed and refuted in the sixth chapter of the epistle to the Romans. But it works out the very opposite in practice. Man is a contradiction. When the law says “Thou shalt not” it awakens in him a desire to do the very thing that God prohibits. And it is a blessed fact that, when the sluice gates of grace are opened wide so that there is no condemnation no matter what he does, he loses the desire to sin and finds in the very grace which guarantees immunity a latent power which enables him to rise above it.I copied this explanation of 1John1:8 from the 'Concordant Publishing Concern', because it explains it better than I could.
Blessings.
You believe there is no need to punish sin. So why should anyone need to accept Jesus or for that matter accept God?You have studied some very evil material indeed!
You are actuially saying that you are stimulated by Satan and have a desire to do all that God forbids. You need to leave CPC alone!
bodhitharta.
So Jesus' sacrifice was for nothing? Do you not understand what He did for you? Your advice is rediculous, I'll ignore it.Quote (chosenone @ July 24 2009,16:15) bodhitharta.
So Jesus' sacrifice was for nothing? Do you not understand what He did for you? Your advice is rediculous, I'll ignore it.
Jesus is wonderful but that isn't the point I was making, Why is it you say Jesus “sacrificed” wasn't it a murder plot? Didn't Jesus cry out for assistance from God?And now today do you not still sin and still practice repentence?
Paul said that the Law magnified sin making it exceedingly sinful, that being the case how much more would sin be magnified if someone died for your sins?
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 24 2009,17:16) I personally ask for forgiveness several times a day!
I do so as well
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