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Hi David, Will these “FACTS” then disappear too?
(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Fact #1. GOD's NAME, [יהוה], Theomatically matching “GOD”=26!
Fact #2. The Short Form of God's Name, [יה], is pronounced “YÄ”=26.
Fact #3. Man being created in YHVH's Image is first mentioned in Gen.1:26.
Fact #4. “GOD”=26: matches the number of letters in the English alphabet, 26.
Fact #5. “God's”, the possessive form of GOD, the number of times written is 26.
Fact #6. “Spirit OF God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org“The root of all superstition is that men observe when a thing hits but not when it misses.” – Francis Bacon
For every fact you have, there are 10,000 other facts.
You are choosing to only focus on the facts that match up with what you want to prove.
Ed, none of those “facts” that have been chosen or picked out will disappear. What will disappear is the false pattern that you see. Take the anti-dopamine drugs and prove me wrong!
have you ever thought that maybe there is a God, but that that God is far from what people think it is?
I believe that God is love. and that we are only here to learn.
I like what Colter said.
Quote I have a personal relationship with God. I became consciously aware of Gods presence after a profound spiritual awaking 27 years ago. If the God of my experience is simply a creation of my imagination then it is my imagination that produces a higher wisdom and greater spiritual values then my conscious mind.
Christianity is a religion about Jesus, it's not the religion of Jesus.
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,12:16) “I wanted to ask, why do you “think” that humans believe in God?” I think MOST humans believe in god for the same reason that children grow up believing in Santa Claus–they believe their parents, find the belief comforting, emotionally supportive. And of course I would think he would say that humans are genetically programmed to find patterns (whether the patterns are real or not), and they tend to infuse patterns with meaning, and agenticity.
Some believe it has to do with errors in thinking and how throughout history, it has been better to make a False positive error over a false negative. (Mistaking lay thinking the rustling brush is caused by a tiger is better than mistaking it for wind when it is a tiger). Hence, the ancestors that made the safer mistake became our parents, and the other ones were eaten by tigers. So, people have a tendency towards belief, as if it is our default.
That's how Dr house explained it.
P=cT1<cT2
The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God. Spiritual gravity. It can be denied by materialist and other enemies of God.Lucifer was once a brilliant Son who had been delegated trust and authority yet he became an atheist, he lost faith in the unseen Father. Subsequently he lead others into his atheist orgy of death.
colter
Quote The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God –colter
And what of the other half of the world that don't live in so called Christian lands?
Where is the “driving force” in them to seek God?–it doesn't exist. Why? Because it also didn't exist in their parents.
There is a driving force in people in “Christian” lands, just as there is a driving force for children to believe in Santa clause, or really, anything they are told at a young age.
Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,08:25) Quote The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God –colter
And what of the other half of the world that don't live in so called Christian lands?
Where is the “driving force” in them to seek God?–it doesn't exist. Why? Because it also didn't exist in their parents.
There is a driving force in people in “Christian” lands, just as there is a driving force for children to believe in Santa clause, or really, anything they are told at a young age.
That is not actually the case in all lands there is this urge to believe in an ultimate God it is in all known people. I have been studying the validity of life patterns and it is mind boggling but yet I continue not to doubt God but to try to comprehend my own and others circumstance.Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2012,15:37) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,08:25) Quote The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God –colter
And what of the other half of the world that don't live in so called Christian lands?
Where is the “driving force” in them to seek God?–it doesn't exist. Why? Because it also didn't exist in their parents.
There is a driving force in people in “Christian” lands, just as there is a driving force for children to believe in Santa clause, or really, anything they are told at a young age.
That is not actually the case in all lands there is this urge to believe in an ultimate God it is in all known people. I have been studying the validity of life patterns and it is mind boggling but yet I continue not to doubt God but to try to comprehend my own and others circumstance.
No.There is a clear distinction based on location.
If there was this inner thing where everyone believes in God, regardless of what they are aught as children, and culture, and peers, then, it would be more even. It is not even at all.
Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,15:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2012,15:37) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,08:25) Quote The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God –colter
And what of the other half of the world that don't live in so called Christian lands?
Where is the “driving force” in them to seek God?–it doesn't exist. Why? Because it also didn't exist in their parents.
There is a driving force in people in “Christian” lands, just as there is a driving force for children to believe in Santa clause, or really, anything they are told at a young age.
That is not actually the case in all lands there is this urge to believe in an ultimate God it is in all known people. I have been studying the validity of life patterns and it is mind boggling but yet I continue not to doubt God but to try to comprehend my own and others circumstance.
No.There is a clear distinction based on location.
If there was this inner thing where everyone believes in God, regardless of what they are aught as children, and culture, and peers, then, it would be more even. It is not even at all.
Sorry, you are incorrect in all languages and cultures there is the belief in God you may be confused in whetherit is called “Christianity” but that is “your” understanding but make no mistake the belief in Creator God is worldwide and has always been worldwide no european missionaries neededStu,
Would it also flatter you if I told you how many times I have to use a dictionary in order to be sure I understand your complex use of words correctly?
being responsible is a pain.
Ok Let me attempt to respond some portions of your explainations.
(Ill answers Tim sub father Idea on my direct post towards him)
1. Basically you appealed to the Idea that man has developed this idea through a series of “meme”. What we are told to believe from generation to generation depending on what society we are born in.I have several issues with this idea. One is that though our beliefs are passed down from generation to generation, it doesn't always mean that 100% of the next generation will be like the last, or will believe like the last. (some are even wiped out) As you said it evolves. In the same way the modern churchs of today have deceived many to believe that they represent the teachings of Jesus Christ's Gospel.
Lets say If I were to question myself and ask … “Is there such a thing as bears, wizards, Jack and the bean stock”.
Why would I ask those questions in the first place?
You say: “Because some told you” Understandable.
I respond: “Who told them?” You say: “Whoever told them”
I respond: “So who told them?”
Its back and forth discussion until you give a different answer.So lets add circumstances to the question, what if in individual is not receiving any instruction from a Parent/Guardian/ on being told what to believe, how does this person begin to wonder about God?
Quote The human brain is a pattern-seeking machine; without this habit it would be difficult for our ancestors living on the African Savannah to have worked together to find food, and it would have been especially difficult to avoid predation by sabre-tooth tigers. It's better to think there is a tiger there than not. We see patterns where no pattern really exists, and we are notoriously poor at estimating probability, failing to understand how coincidence works. That means we see common experiences as forming part of some wider grand scheme, when it shouldn't lead to that idea at all.
2. You confused me here a bit. First you present humans as a “pattern-seeking” race, that couldn't survive without this technique to find food or defend themselves. Than you state that since we are “pattern-seeking” that we see patterns that don't really exist, but are part of our wishful thinking, or what we wish to see.Though I find your point a bit contradicting because I may be misinterpteting what your saying. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. However, Why would a human prepare to defend himself if there is no tiger?
If there is no threat, than why would you be paranoid?
What do you mean by coincidence?I would say that humans used problem solving technique and simple human instincts in order to survive. For example. Problem: Im hungry
Solution: Search for food.
Problem: There is a tiger
Solution: Kill the tiger, or find away around it.
Problem: The food is raw and bad for me.
Solution: make fire and cook it.Which goes back to my previous question within this point. If there is no threat, why would you be paranoid?
Quote There is an evolutionary advantage for a tribe in having members who are held in fear of a higher power, which can be used as a threat by a leader to encourage conformity. Bacteria that have adapted to live in symbiotic mats will kill cells that are unable to make the glue that binds the mat together. Churches are machines for punishing humans who look like they won't make the kind of social glue expected by that church.
Im a living example of once being deceived by that kindof advantage. Though Men themselves are worshipped as “higher powers” I mean there are even men today who say they are Jesus, or some sort of god and they are worshipped by people in fear. Men typically perfer to be gods themselves rather than serving a “higher power”. Which is why we had many tyrants in our history, and many kings, priests, pastors, and etc.I would say, that men typically love the attention for themselves. Men's ability to conquest, and kill, and destory has given the “strongest” the ability to rule the defeated.
Now, with that said, what does that have to do with the origins of the idea of God in the human mind?Quote Humans are seduced by the illusion of design: it is so much a feature of our world that humans assert their intent by designing stuff, but we also see things with “complexity” as designed, when they are not. The seduction of apparent design stems in part from ignorance. If you don't know how Darwin's explanation works then you are more likely to be satisfied with wondering and misattributing rather than actually knowing how things happened. Douglas Adams summed it up well when he said that wondering if the universe is fine-tuned for you is like a puddle wondering why it fits its hole so well.
(FYI: I actaully had to do some reading and took time to ponder, hopefully you give me the same respect. Darwin sadly lived a terrible life.)
3. On the subject of design. I'm sure your argueing against the typical rebuttal that states that life itself is designed by a Creator from most theologions. And this is where your tieing in the “pattern-seeking” habits (you mentioned) that humans posses and have the tendancy to see a pattern where there isn't one.I'll put it this way. Men are not seeking patterns but an answer. We have a tendancy to seek truth, and understand reality. When we encounter a problem or question we seek the solution and answer. There is always a problem, and we use observations, testing, and hypothesis to attempt to reach a conclusion.
But there is a higher probability that man would ignornatly claim that a “magic man” created life rather than God.
It would make more sense. It would make more sense that the first giant man, did magic and there was life. It would make sense, because we know that Men and women can produce offspring, and the parents are as gods to that offspring (until the age of 5 of course, haha just kidding).
I don't think the universe is fine-tuned, I would rather say that there is a process of existing and not existing. There is a planet, than there isn't. Benjamin Franklin said, “The only things certain in life are death and taxes.” Well I don't know about taxes, but death is certain. Don't you agree? You either adapt, or you die. If you live, than you must endure to live. Life isn't free, nor is it fine-tuned. To suffering just to be able to eat, to move is to wear out my body little by little, as my life drags on. Eventually death to all things are certain. We can all agree that things fade and die, yet we disagree about the origins of life. There is space, or there is space taken up. There is and there isn't.Based on what we see including death as a factor, there is nothing fine-tune about it. I would think it would be wiser for the puddle to ponder about its origins, rather than the space it occupys. In fact we can prove its part of a hydrologic cycle, and that it once part of something much bigger than itse
lf and occupys the biggest space there is..which is the earth. There is no bigger hole in earth, than the earth itself< (If that makes any sense at all lol.)For every action, something happens, and that certain. I wanted to talk about natural selection and evolution so more, but than I would be going off topic.
I will go back to my premise, and ask my question in a different way to give it further thought.How does it make sense, for a person to come up with the idea of God?
Quote Christianity is a meme that is transmitted to susceptible brains by platitude. The word “eternity”, to take one of many examples, doesn't actually mean anything universal. It sounds grand but you can't pin it down to really mean anything. I think it's a Woody Allen quote 'Eternity is a long time, especially towards the end.' That really shows up what a meaningless word eternity is. Is that word used to describe some quality of the afterlife? This is an appeal to wishful thinking. Well the word Eternity in reference to the bible is mistranslated, what it actually means just a long time. Eternity the word may have no signficant value to you, but it doesn't signify that it doesn't have a deffenition. Eternity is typicaly used to define living forever, the second life, or the original life. Forever is almost the same as eternity, to never cease from living. To never cease, to never stop. To continue, and continue and continue.
If life is not forever, than can I conclude that death is not forever?
What is life?
If I apply a religious meaning, than its a perception and a plaititude. Words can mean many things, it depends on the way I use them, and my motive behind the words.Quote Now, consider other platitudes like “christ”, “god”, “sin”, “salvation”. What do the words mean? Nothing! Platitudes are defined in terms of other platitudes in a way that is meant to deceive people into thinking they should see the words as meaningful, and you know from the talk of scientologists that humans can really come to genuinely believe that their platitudes actually refer to something real. Consider for example statements like 'God is the eternal being', or 'Christ offers salvation from your sins'. It sounds from they way it is said with conviction that these are things which should be believed to be meaningful, but what we actually have are platitudes defined in terms of other platitudes.
Than it goes back to my original question, how did humans come up with these platitudes? Obviously the words you stated relate to eachother to define something one is meant to believe in according to the religion being preached. Yet how do these platitudes exist?
Lets talk about Christ for instance. There is evidence that says he existed, there is evidence that says he doesn't but if He did, (Which He does) than the words woudn't be platitudes.If we replace the word “god” with “Dennison” which is my name. Im real, I exist. If I say “do not sin against Dennison or you will be damned” is that a platitude?
Sin in this case would mean to do something I hate, damned would mean you would be punish by me. If I say “Dennison's grace you shall be saved, so repent!” What does that mean? Obviously saved and repent all have a meaning according to the one giving it. The question becomes, saved from what? repent from what? What does Dennison want, or asks for.It ALL means something, but since you have no value for God than those words become meaningless to you.
But thats your perspective, not an proven fact. Its a platitude FOR you, which doesn't make it so.Quote So I think the answers to your questions are complex and each has several components. An interesting question might be why don't people ask what gods are? Wouldn't it be that for most of our history as a species people would have asked whether there are gods according to the local polytheistic beliefs? Is it that we all know what a god is supposed to be, or is there a cultural reflex of a god gene operating: some feeling of the numinous planted by natural selection for our tribal good? Have we got to the point now where in a global society this tribal belief in Angry Sky Beings is a liability, and is being selected out of the population, or perhaps it is the meme against which people are building immunity, from science and elsewhere?
In order for a person to ask what a god is, they must concluded that gods are.
Does that make sense to you?
Men exagerate many things in life, as kids we exagerate that the dog talked and wanted to eat me. Though we all know that the dog doesn't talk, we know the dog exists. We know that lightning exists, but Zeus isnt causing it. We know that there is a earth and a sky, but it doesn't mean that they were titans. I know that egyptians loved Ra, but it was just the sun in their eyes. All these things that people worshipped, “Angry sky beings” MAKEs sense. Men have worshipped other than themselves, nature and all its creatures. What haven't we defiled?Men always exagerated a truth, that currently exists. Twisting the truth.
Yet how does someone come up with the thought of a omnipotent God? based on what?
Quote I have to say, I don't know what humans really believe when they say they have a god belief, and I don't think the question “Is there a god?” asks anything meaningful. I think there are many reasons why humans would use this language, even if there is nothing real about any of it. Well, if you ask a person who worships nature and animals, than its kindof easy to figure out where they got the idea from.
What I'm asking in the end that how is it even remotely possible to seek something that has no indication of existance, yet develop a belief about it, and yet come up with the idea of God?
I hope you take the time and read my response.
I worked hard on it and thanks for complying.
Dennison
Quote (Colter @ Oct. 20 2012,22:15) Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,12:16) “I wanted to ask, why do you “think” that humans believe in God?” I think MOST humans believe in god for the same reason that children grow up believing in Santa Claus–they believe their parents, find the belief comforting, emotionally supportive. And of course I would think he would say that humans are genetically programmed to find patterns (whether the patterns are real or not), and they tend to infuse patterns with meaning, and agenticity.
Some believe it has to do with errors in thinking and how throughout history, it has been better to make a False positive error over a false negative. (Mistaking lay thinking the rustling brush is caused by a tiger is better than mistaking it for wind when it is a tiger). Hence, the ancestors that made the safer mistake became our parents, and the other ones were eaten by tigers. So, people have a tendency towards belief, as if it is our default.
That's how Dr house explained it.
P=cT1<cT2
The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God. Spiritual gravity. It can be denied by materialist and other enemies of God.Lucifer was once a brilliant Son who had been delegated trust and authority yet he became an atheist, he lost faith in the unseen Father. Subsequently he lead others into his atheist orgy of death.
colter
Colder,
There isn't a spirit of worship. unbiblical.
The bible says that no man seeks God. So you can believe it or just ignore it as most do.Satan has done what he was designed to do, he was never good. Satan never had faith to begin with, he was a liar from the begining.
Satan was always part of death and so is God who orchestrated the whole thing.
oh and God also created evil, believe it or not.
These are all things your going to deny, because of false theologies who misinterpreted scriptures, or because they “told you” and you believed it.
No hard feelings, just saying it the way it is.
Dennison
Tim,
Quote I am not stu, and I am anxious to see his reply, but you said anyone could chime in. I think that gods were originally created by man to give him answers to questions that he didn't understand.
What is lightning? Of course god threw his fiery spear down to earth.
What is thunder, it is god roaring angrily. Those kinds of things.
I sure did, just rememeber that in the same way im attempting to understand you, im hoping you will do the same for me. Though thats not always the case.
Say whatever you like.Quote I think that gods were originally created by man to give him answers to questions that he didn't understand.
The examples you stated make sense, but it doesn't answer for God. Many people worship many things, even themselves, but its inspired by something. Such as Zeus and his ligntning. You saw lighting, and you thought it was a being more powerful than you. But it doesn't explain “the God” of all things or even a creator. What would make a person think that a Lighnting God would create life? a “magic man” would make more sense.Quote 1. Fear of death and the wish for an afterlife. After life doesn't need to include God.
Quote 2. Comfort when grieving the death of loved ones. Again believing that they are in a better place and you will see them again.
As a preacher once said: “Mankind want to to go to heaven, but don't want to find God there”.Quote 3. The need to think that someone stronger than them, a father figure, is watching out for them.
A bear is stronger than a typical man, almost everything is stronger than man. Doesn't mean that would push a person to think about a Creator.Quote 4. Because they have been raised and told to believe in God by people that they respected and trusted to tell them the truth. You will notice that the particular god that a person believes in is a result of where that person was raised.
Typically, but than again, who told thier parents, and their parents-parents, and etc. where did that idea come from.Quote I admire your willingness to listen to another person's understanding of the whole religion issue.
I have no problem with listening, even if I'm not listened to. To understand somebody is a rare oppurtunity.Dennison
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,18:42) We know that lightning exists, but Zeus isnt causing it.
How do we know Zeus isn't causing it?Stuart
Hi Dennison
Your original question was
Quote I wanted to ask, why do you “think” that humans believe in God?
I gave a number of reasons that I think that people believe in God and you countered each reason with the statement that they could have postulated another conclusion.Well of course they could have. Creating a god may have been the least viable conclusion, but it was the easiest for a person unable to develop a more reasonable explanation for something. That has absolutely no bearing on whether it was a reason for believing in a god or not.
You said
Quote The examples you stated make sense, but it doesn't answer for God. Many people worship many things, even themselves, but its inspired by something. Such as Zeus and his ligntning. You saw lighting, and you thought it was a being more powerful than you. But it doesn't explain “the God” of all things or even a creator. What would make a person think that a Lighnting God would create life? a “magic man” would make more sense. Fair enough. I neglected to notice the capital G in God. You didn't mean any god, just the particular Hebrew God. Modern humans have been on the earth for over 200,000 years and only started to believe in the Hebrew God and a creation god around 3,000 years ago.
So for 197,000 years they believed in other gods or spirits.You said
Quote After life doesn't need to include God.
No it doesn't need to include a God, but it explains why more people pick a god that promises an afterlife.When I said 3.The need to think that someone stronger than them, a father figure, is watching out for them.
you repliedQuote A bear is stronger than a typical man, almost everything is stronger than man. Doesn't mean that would push a person to think about a Creator. I said a father figure, why would someone want to imagine that a bear was watching out for them?
I guess that I misunderstood the reason for your original question.
I thought that you genuinely wanted to know why other people think that humans believe in God. It appears that you really just want to make a silly argument that humans have believe in God because God makes them believe in God, and for no other reason.Tim
Edit, fixed quotes
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,18:55) Quote (Colter @ Oct. 20 2012,22:15) Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,12:16) “I wanted to ask, why do you “think” that humans believe in God?” I think MOST humans believe in god for the same reason that children grow up believing in Santa Claus–they believe their parents, find the belief comforting, emotionally supportive. And of course I would think he would say that humans are genetically programmed to find patterns (whether the patterns are real or not), and they tend to infuse patterns with meaning, and agenticity.
Some believe it has to do with errors in thinking and how throughout history, it has been better to make a False positive error over a false negative. (Mistaking lay thinking the rustling brush is caused by a tiger is better than mistaking it for wind when it is a tiger). Hence, the ancestors that made the safer mistake became our parents, and the other ones were eaten by tigers. So, people have a tendency towards belief, as if it is our default.
That's how Dr house explained it.
P=cT1<cT2
The spirit of worship within the high consciousness of man is a persistent driving force to seek God. Spiritual gravity. It can be denied by materialist and other enemies of God.Lucifer was once a brilliant Son who had been delegated trust and authority yet he became an atheist, he lost faith in the unseen Father. Subsequently he lead others into his atheist orgy of death.
colter
Colder,
There isn't a spirit of worship. unbiblical.
The bible says that no man seeks God. So you can believe it or just ignore it as most do.Satan has done what he was designed to do, he was never good. Satan never had faith to begin with, he was a liar from the begining.
Satan was always part of death and so is God who orchestrated the whole thing.
oh and God also created evil, believe it or not.
These are all things your going to deny, because of false theologies who misinterpreted scriptures, or because they “told you” and you believed it.
No hard feelings, just saying it the way it is.
Dennison
Simplyforgiven,No ofence taken, the multiple personality disorder of biblical teachings allows for many conflicting and inconsistent teachings.
The opening chapters of Genesis refute everything you said in your obsurred accusations towards Gods character. But its not strange that people have such faith in Satan, the Jews redacted the books of the OT during the Babylonion captivity.
Anyway, it appears you are projecting your own indoctrination upon me.
Colter
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2012,14:51) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,18:42) We know that lightning exists, but Zeus isnt causing it.
How do we know Zeus isn't causing it?Stuart
Well honestly I do not know Stu,
There are many gods, that are suppose to have the power of lightening such as Raiden from mortal kombat.Im sure that we know that Zeus isn't cuasing it because he doesn't exist, and there is an explaination of what already cuases lightening.
Tim,
Quote You didn't mean any god, just the particular Hebrew God.
Well no, more as the idea of a Creator.
Even the polyistic beliefs have some kindof orgins of a king of the gods. Such as Zues with his gods, or the Titans.There is an Idea that the most powerful God created and what not, but what inspires that kind of thought.
Quote I said a father figure, why would someone want to imagine that a bear was watching out for them?
You know what I stand correct, I neglected the Father figure point you made. With that said, there are people who look to animals as beings that look out for them. Do you disagree?Quote I guess that I misunderstood the reason for your original question.
I thought that you genuinely wanted to know why other people think that humans believe in God. It appears that you really just want to make a silly argument that humans have believe in God because God makes them believe in God, and for no other reason.Tim
I wanted to know what is your explaination about why people believe in a all powerful being.
And no, I didnt say, nor did I imply that humans have to believe in God because God makes them believe in God.
Thats silly.I would say, something happen that would cause someone to believe. What do you believe to be the source of such a inspiration?
How is that possible?
And understand I was writing my post at 4am, so at least give me the benefit of the doubt before you reach a conclusion about my intentions.
Quote (Colter @ Oct. 21 2012,18:50) Simplyforgiven,
No ofence taken, the multiple personality disorder of biblical teachings allows for many conflicting and inconsistent teachings.
The opening chapters of Genesis refute everything you said in your obsurred accusations towards Gods character. But its not strange that people have such faith in Satan, the Jews redacted the books of the OT during the Babylonion captivity.
Anyway, it appears you are projecting your own indoctrination upon me.
ColterQuote the multiple personality disorder of biblical teachings allows for many conflicting and inconsistent teachings.
I don't know what your talking about here, so I don't know why you assume I would.Quote The opening chapters of Genesis refute everything you said in your obsurred accusations towards Gods character. But its not strange that people have such faith in Satan, the Jews redacted the books of the OT during the Babylonion captivity.
What accusations did I make on God's character?
I have no faith to Satan though YOUR implying I do.
Do you still beat your wife? You see how implications are dangerous, so its not wise to imply upsurd notions.Quote Anyway, it appears you are projecting your own indoctrination upon me.
No, you presented your doctrine as truth, stated that Satan was once a “good being”, I'm exposing it as false.
You see the difference?
I mean its vain to go back and forth playing word games, if you say that Genesis can refute my claims, than quote, present your substance. And let's see.
Show me where it says that Satan is a good being? Did he revolted against Satan?
Do you want to see an old thread that talks about such things, the subject as been discussed before already.
Whenever your ready sir,
What say you?Dennison
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2012,11:04) Quote (Colter @ Oct. 21 2012,18:50) Simplyforgiven,
No ofence taken, the multiple personality disorder of biblical teachings allows for many conflicting and inconsistent teachings.
The opening chapters of Genesis refute everything you said in your obsurred accusations towards Gods character. But its not strange that people have such faith in Satan, the Jews redacted the books of the OT during the Babylonion captivity.
Anyway, it appears you are projecting your own indoctrination upon me.
ColterQuote the multiple personality disorder of biblical teachings allows for many conflicting and inconsistent teachings.
I don't know what your talking about here, so I don't know why you assume I would.Quote The opening chapters of Genesis refute everything you said in your obsurred accusations towards Gods character. But its not strange that people have such faith in Satan, the Jews redacted the books of the OT during the Babylonion captivity.
What accusations did I make on God's character?
I have no faith to Satan though YOUR implying I do.
Do you still beat your wife? You see how implications are dangerous, so its not wise to imply upsurd notions.Quote Anyway, it appears you are projecting your own indoctrination upon me.
No, you presented your doctrine as truth, stated that Satan was once a “good being”, I'm exposing it as false.
You see the difference?
I mean its vain to go back and forth playing word games, if you say that Genesis can refute my claims, than quote, present your substance. And let's see.
Show me where it says that Satan is a good being? Did he revolted against Satan?
Do you want to see an old thread that talks about such things, the subject as been discussed before already.
Whenever your ready sir,
What say you?Dennison
Simplyforgiven,Your theory has God as a house divided against himself, having both an evil will and a righteous will. Creating man in goodness with free will presented the “potential” for imperfection, evil, sin or even eniquity. But that does not mean it is ever Gods will for man to sin.
In Genesis God scolds and condemns the devil, your theology has God condemning himself, opposing the will of the evil crafty beast which (in your retarded theology) was merely doing the evil will of his creator.
In the fragmented story of Genesis we can see that the earth was already populated as Cain is frightened about the other people on the earth outside the garden.
Death is natural, it was on the earth long before Adam and Eve arrived. The crafty beast had already fallen.
Colter
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