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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,12:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:26) 2bee did you notice in the parables Jesus always shows that their is a selection in all cases
Hi T,
Yes, there is always a selection.
2bbever wander why
Because God is love and wants the best for eternity.Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2013,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,07:35) Hi Marty,
The enemy who SOWED them.
It doesn't prove to me that that enemy who SOWED them was not afterward 'bound'.
2Besee.Thats a cop out answer.
You did not answered marty's question.
If satan can sow the weed amongst the corn;
He can not be bound in prison.For the weed is still sown today and even more weed are sown amongst the churches.Dont be satisfied with
a faulty doctrine.wakeup.
Not so, look again,Matthew 13:
[24] “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field;
[25] but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
[26] So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
[27] And the servants of the householder came and said to him, `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?'
[28] He said to them, `An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, `Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
[29] But he said, `No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'”[36] “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.”
[37] He answered, “He who sows the good seed is the Son of man;
[38] the field is the world, and the good seed means the sons of the kingdom; the weeds are the sons of the evil one,
[39] and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels”————–
He who sows the good seed is the Son of man.
Is Jesus still here or is Jesus is Heaven?
He was taken up to heaven, though He sowed the good seed which grew and multiplied.Does He who sowed the bad seed still have to be in full power, in order for that seed to also grow and multiply?
That would be disastrous.
If that were true then how could the whole world come to know YHVH and Yahshua, who the whole world previously never knew?Because they were no longer being deceived.
He who deceived the whole world in the past will be let lose from his “cell” one last time, just before the harvest, to try and deceive the whole world one last time 'knowing his time is short'.
`Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?' He said to them, `An enemy has done this.'
He is waiting for the harvest.
They have to grow and multiply together like the plants of a field do — until the harvest.This disagreement has been going on since the earliest time.
You will not change your view and I will will not change mine(: That is a fact, I am sure.2Besee.
Satan has sown the weed and men has carried it along,and spread the gospel in the earth watered down to the max.
The weed is growing stronger than the corn.
This we must watch for. Wolfs in sheeps clothingwakeup.
WAKEUP,
So, according to you, Satan's seed is the spreading of the Gospel?
That was worded wrong, right?Jesus said: “This good news of the coming kingdom will be preached as a witness to all of the nations and then the end will come”.
That was sown by God.
Sorry Wakeup, but a crowd to great to number, is seen standing before the throne of God, having been saved already.
TOO GREAT TO NUMBER.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,11:16) WAKEUP,
So, according to you, Satan's seed is the spreading of the Gospel?
That was worded wrong, right?Jesus said: “This good news of the coming kingdom will be preached as a witness to all of the nations and then the end will come”.
That was sown by God.
2Besee.Dont twist my words; for I said the gospel watered down.
They have been sleeping when the enemy(satan) was watering it down. And they have followed that watered down gospel up to today,and they are still asleep.
The good news has been polluted,and no one recognise it,because the have been sleeping,and are kept asleep with soothing words,that has no substance.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
What do you mean by “the gospel watered down”?
We have the scriptures, and these have gone around the world in fulfillment of prophecy and many people have been saved, for the day of salvation is now.
What happened was that “false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing, seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons” crept in.But now we are in 'this time'.
2nd Thess – 'The Man of Sin' takes his seat in the temple of God.
What or where is the temple of God?“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1Cor 3:16
“If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.” 1Cor 3:17
“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own” 1Cor 6:19“Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.”Paul said that the temple of God is the body.
As he said, “Do you not remember that I told this?”
What is IN the temple of God?
The Holy Spirit.
What is the restrainer of sin?
The Holy Spirit.
What is taken away?Something takes it's place.
Watch kundalini warning for a starter, and research the experiences of those who are still trying to battle against this spirit.
I have witnessed this, I have seen the deception.
It has to do with SIN.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,20:23) Hi Wakeup, What do you mean by “the gospel watered down”?
We have the scriptures, and these have gone around the world in fulfillment of prophecy and many people have been saved, for the day of salvation is now.
What happened was that “false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing, seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons” crept in.But now we are in 'this time'.
2nd Thess – 'The Man of Sin' takes his seat in the temple of God.
What or where is the temple of God?“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1Cor 3:16
“If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.” 1Cor 3:17
“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own” 1Cor 6:19“Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.”Paul said that the temple of God is the body.
As he said, “Do you not remember that I told this?”
What is IN the temple of God?
The Holy Spirit.
What is the restrainer of sin?
The Holy Spirit.
What is taken away?Something takes it's place.
Watch kundalini warning for a starter, and research the experiences of those who are still trying to battle against this spirit.
I have witnessed this, I have seen the deception.
It has to do with SIN.
2Besee.Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of *his palace* between the seas in the *glorious holy mountain*; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the *abomination* that maketh desolate *set up*, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Israel will build him(f.proph.) a physical temple.
wakeup
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,12:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:26) 2bee did you notice in the parables Jesus always shows that their is a selection in all cases
Hi T,
Yes, there is always a selection.
2bbever wander why
Because God is love and wants the best for eternity.
T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,05:02) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,12:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:26) 2bee did you notice in the parables Jesus always shows that their is a selection in all cases
Hi T,
Yes, there is always a selection.
2bbever wander why
Because God is love and wants the best for eternity.
T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy.
2BEEQuote T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy. yes but why did he say those words
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2013,23:10) Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of *his palace* between the seas in the *glorious holy mountain*; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the *abomination* that maketh desolate *set up*, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Israel will build him(f.proph.) a physical temple.
wakeup
Has this not already happened?When was the daily sacrifice taken away.
Abomination – I read somewhere, Nero or the Romans or something connected.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,10:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2013,23:10) Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of *his palace* between the seas in the *glorious holy mountain*; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the *abomination* that maketh desolate *set up*, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Israel will build him(f.proph.) a physical temple.
wakeup
Has this not already happened?When was the daily sacrifice taken away.
Abomination – I read somewhere, Nero or the Romans or something connected.
2Besee.1290 days=3/half years. how can this be the past.
It is talking about the end.Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
This is mentioning the 1st and2nd resurrection as a whole.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The end.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,12:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,05:02) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,12:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:26) 2bee did you notice in the parables Jesus always shows that their is a selection in all cases
Hi T,
Yes, there is always a selection.
2bbever wander why
Because God is love and wants the best for eternity.
T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy.
2BEEQuote T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy. yes but why did he say those words
“Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.” Romans 10:20“I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me; I was found by those who did not seek me. To a nation that did not call on my name, I said, 'Here am I, here am I.' Isaiah 65:1
“And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “
Oswald Chambers: “Conviction of sin is one of the rarest things that ever strikes a man. It is the threshold of an understanding of God. Jesus Christ said that when the Holy Spirit came He would convict of sin, and when the Holy Spirit rouses the conscience and brings him into the presence of God, it is not his relationship with men that bothers him, but his relationship with God.”
Hi 2besee:
If Satan is currently bound, who then is responsible for all of the evil that is in the world?
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty,
Evil continued to grow worse and worse among the wheat.
Satan has, most likely, been since 'set free' to deceive the world one last time. I would guess that this has already begun and we are living in 'that time' now, these end days.
Hi Marty,
This is a little slow, but please listen to this audio, which explains almost perfectly how I view things.http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=63011831190
Bear with it, if you can.
I do not know why but this whole temporary future Jewish kingdom on this current earth – it upsets me.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,13:32) Hi Marty,
This is a little slow, but please listen to this audio, which explains almost perfectly how I view things.http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=63011831190
Bear with it, if you can.
I do not know why but this whole temporary future Jewish kingdom on this current earth – it upsets me.
Hi brother:I am at work and will be getting off shortly, and so, I do not have time to listen to this tonight. I'll probably listen to it tomorrow.
There is no temporary Jewish kingdom on earth.
Quote 1Th 4:13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 1Th 4:14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
1Th 4:15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1Th 4:18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.
If someone is not caught up in the air to meet the Lord in this sequence of events, they will not be saved. No, no second chance.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,04:26) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,12:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,05:02) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,12:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:26) 2bee did you notice in the parables Jesus always shows that their is a selection in all cases
Hi T,
Yes, there is always a selection.
2bbever wander why
Because God is love and wants the best for eternity.
T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy.
2BEEQuote T, but also, God will have on mercy on who he will have mercy. yes but why did he say those words
“Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.” Romans 10:20“I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me; I was found by those who did not seek me. To a nation that did not call on my name, I said, 'Here am I, here am I.' Isaiah 65:1
“And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “
Oswald Chambers: “Conviction of sin is one of the rarest things that ever strikes a man. It is the threshold of an understanding of God. Jesus Christ said that when the Holy Spirit came He would convict of sin, and when the Holy Spirit rouses the conscience and brings him into the presence of God, it is not his relationship with men that bothers him, but his relationship with God.”
2beevery good
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