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Yep, they were my parents. Did your parents lie to you Nick?
But guess what Nick, and don't tell anyone, but my parents did lie to me about other things. Shhhh.Where they perfect nick? Your GT says only Jesus was perfect. Jesus never wrote anything but some scribbling in the sand. So by extension, words written by imperfect men will contain imperfections.
Hi tow,
So you do believe the NT?
Luke 6:40
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.I thank God that by His power he has given the guarantee of truth in the Word.
Hey look another GT contradiction! The GT says only Jesus was perfect (although he never said it of himself, how odd), but Jesus says that others are perfect! So Jesus was just a dime-a-dozen.
Hi tow,
Read the verse above.
No others can obtain perfection in the eys of the Father except through him.
When God sees those in the Son He sees the perfection of His beloved Son.
Just as well.Oh yeah, the cover-up theory. I don't have to be good, I don't have to love others, I just have to believe in Jesus.
The good news folks! No more rules! No more expectations! Live like you want AND get the rewards. Just follow the two-step plan and you're on your way to heaven!
Mar 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Thats it! So simple! Two steps: believe, then get dunked! No more 10 commandments, no more of that other stuff that cramps your style and doesn't allow you to do your own thing! Just believe and take a bath!
But wait, there's more! You will get super powers from the simple two-step plan!
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Mar 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Mar 16:18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
==================================But what if you're not into casting out demons (although how cool is that), handling snakes, speaking gibberish, or drinking poison? Well, Jesus says the sky is the limit!
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Mat 17:20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”Joh 14:13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.Joh 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.
==================================So what are you wainting for? Believe today? Move mountains! Calm storms! Raise the dead! Heal the sick! Feed multitudes! Walk on water! There's no limit as long as you “believe and bathe”!
Disclaimer: the preceding is for entertainment purposes only. Any similarity to reality is purely coincedental
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,15:58) Hi tow,
Would you prefer a system where you could save yourself?
Works save nobody.
Try elsewhere.
Gee, I don't know. Seemed to work for Ezekiel.Eze 18:27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life.
Hi tow,
So you think it is the person who saves himself by his works?
Or is it repentance that brings the forgiveness of God?What do you think turning from wickedness is? Note how you are learning Nick, you didn't insert the need for Jesus in your post. You're getting warmer with each post!
So its not repent and believe in Jesus, its repent and turn to G-d.
Hi tow,
Luke 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Lk15
10Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.11And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
Ah, see! Even Jesus did not say in this passage that you had to believe in him. He says to repent.
“What's true in the new testament is not new, what's new is not true” – Rabbi Tovia Singer
Hi tow,
The prodigal son repented and started walking and was met by the Father, who ignored his stench from the pigsty and wrapped him in the robes of righteouness and gave him the ring of Kingdom authority.Hi Tow,
The robe of righteousness belongs to the Son.
The Son brought access for us to the Spirit.
And the wistful older son, the faithful Jew
inherited.Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 09 2008,09:27) Deu 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
Deu 18:19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.
Deu 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.'
Deu 18:21 And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?'–
Deu 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.
=====================================If this was only to mean one person, what of poor Jeremiah, Isaiah, Hosea, Zecheriah, and the rest? Were they false prophets?
But let us assume that it is one person, and this time it is Jesus.
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Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.”
Mat 12:39 But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
====================================Now almost all Christians say this is a prophecy of his death and resurrection. But who was he speaking to? Scribes and Pharisees! But did this prophecy actually come true for the scribes and Pharisees? NO! He never once appeared to them upon resurrection, so obviously to them, this was one big lie and they took Jesus for who he was, a false prophet. Therefore, he could not validate his prophecy amongst the doubters, but we are merely to accept that he was raised by listening to his “followers”.
What of this?
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Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Mat 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
=================================Which one of those who were standing there is still alive? Another false prophecy.
Instead, Jesus matches Deu 13 to a “T”. He gives false prophecy, speaks of following “god the father” and performs miracles. Did Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, etc. perform miracles to validate themselves before men? NO! Such was not needed as they were true men of G-d.
Thus, a “prophet like Moses” is not one individual, but any that G-d had chosen from His people to bring the words of G-d.
Jesus does not pass the test as a true prophet of G-d.
Hi KJ,
The speech of Peter identifies One as a prophet like unto Moses.Acts 3
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Hey Nick,
I agree with the NT and Tow, but it seems you do to in some sense. He says it means all of the prophets of God, and I agree. Even you said ” The speech of Peter identifies One as a prophet like unto Moses.” You did not say “THE” prophet.
So I do not disagree that Jesus had a role as a prophet but that does not mean that he was the coming son of David that would usher in the world to come. Can he not be part of ushering in without being the actual one the Jews are looking for?
Jesus is said to have a heavenly kingdom, the coming son of David is to sit on an earthly throne. Jesus said
- Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
That description does not fit the coming son of David.
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