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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2010,22:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2010,14:32) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2010,21:59) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2010,13:53) Ed J,
Hello, I assume that the readers of Paul's letter accept the eternal past existence of the Father and that He wasn't among the things in heaven that were created. I have no problem that the readers would understand that the writer is speaking of all “other” things in heaven. The context of chapter one establishes the existence of the Father and that He is a father. They are aware that the Father did not come from the Son but the Son came from the Father. Jesus is restoring all things as a service to His Father who ends up giving them to the Son as an inheritance.That is my understanding.
Kathi
Hi Kathi,What do you assume “Heaven” is?
and
Where do you assume “Heaven” is located?
Hi Ed J,Heaven is a term that can mean more than one thing. Heaven is a physical place like our outer space with the sun, the moon and the stars. Heaven is also a spiritual place where the Son of God is from and where He returned to and where the Father is and angels reside.
You ask where it is. I don't know but it is not here on earth. I do believe that it is of a different realm/dimension from what we know.
Kathi
Hi Kathi,Should I take your words to mean…
Heaven didn't (according yo you) exist until Jesus created it?
Ed J,
I think that the Son of God took part in creating things IN heaven. I believe that the realm of the spiritual heaven existed but not the things IN it (aside from the Father and the Son). Colossians 1 talks about the things IN heaven, not the realm itself. As far as the physical heaven, I believe that the Son of God took part in establishing it to it's completed state, i.e. He spread out the heavens-separated the deep surrounding the formless earth and put the sun and other heavenly bodies in the space.my opinion,
KathiHi,
Scripture speaks of two creations.
Those reborn from above of God's Spirit are all new creations[2cor5, Eph2, Eph4, Rom8]So which creation is spoken of In Col1.15, Rev3.14 etc?
Hi Kerwin:
You say:
Quote 1 Corinthians 15:45(NIV) reads:
QuoteSo it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
Is Paul referring to Jesus? If so then he obvious is not making the point that Jesus was a Spirit as we know Jesus was and is a living being.
Back to topIt is through the Word of God that Jesus obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross that gives life to our soul. A person is defined by the life that he lives. It is that spirit, the life that Jesus lives, to which 1 Co. 15:45 refers.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
Jesus obeyed the Word of his Father and was found clean.
As such he was filled with the Holy Spirit of his God.
Thence he submitted to the leading of the SpiritQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2010,12:40) Hi 94,
Jesus obeyed the Word of his Father and was found clean.
As such he was filled with the Holy Spirit of his God.
Thence he submitted to the leading of the Spirit
Hi Nick:To be submitted to God is to be led by His Spirit through the Word of God.
Quote 1 Co 2:9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Love in Christ,
MartyNick, Jesus receiving The Holy Spirit doesn't prove what you're trying to prove.
It proves in similarity what his death provided.
A gateway for mankind.
Nothing can happen to us, if it didn't happen to Jesus first, as far as being on the road back to God.
Remeber, Jesus was found sinless.
If he was a mere man, this would be impossible without the holy spirit always dwelling with him. And even men today WITH the holy spirit still sin.
The only way Jesus could have not sinned was by having a godly obedience.
Even angels sin. But being born of the same holy spirit he received made him GOD.
According to your LOGIC NICK, Jesus can't be God since he'd have to be the SAME God The Father is…
Then how can he receive THE SAME HOLY SPIRIT HE WAS BORN OF, lol.
Hi RM
Again you use logic alone.The Son of Mary had no advantages over Adam.
The first Adam walked with God but rebelled to follow satan
The second Adam had a Father to help him keep free of sin and obey the Law.God was with him[Acts 10.38]
Hi,
To be a new creation you need a new spirit.
When you die your spirit will return to our God.
Only those yet alive in the Spirit of Christ have hopeRokkaman wrote:
Quote The only way Jesus could have not sinned was by having a godly obedience.
Are you stating in order to obey Jesus had to be God? If so then are you stating the angels who have not sinned are God?
What scripture states is that “the righteous live by faith” and we know God through that faith and that nothing is impossible for God.
I am bounching this for t8. Please read the first few posts in this thread where I attempt to among other things describe the new creation as it is defined in the New Testiment.
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