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T8, and you have not given me which translation you use. Why not? Do you have one? You want to attack mine, yet, you won't reveal yours. One thing I notice about many on this site. Many claim they know God. Yet, when they are faced with peticular questions, they hid or deny or ignore. I will be as honest as I can be. I have nothing to hide. As for your Johannine Comma, I will look into it more and get back with you.
I use the BibleGateway website which gives me many translations. This way I can make comparisons and if there is a difference I can go to a concordance which I have at home, or use an online one.
http://www.bju.edu/bible/I use online resources most of the time because I can copy and paste scripture into the forum and searching online for a scripture is much easier than finding it in a hardcopy.
I do not confine myself to any one translation as they all have inaccuracies.
T8, you don't think I have access to all the translations? Why do you think it is so easy for me to find the many faults within the other translations. Did you get a chance to read my rebuttal to the comma dispute? For some reason, it has been moved or removed. Why, I do not know. The Lord will decide in the matter.
Dear t8,
I posted a rebuttal to your Johannine “Comma” and the moderator moved it to truth or tradition. So if you go there, you will find it.
Quote Dear t8, I posted a rebuttal to your Johannine “Comma” and the moderator moved it to truth or tradition. So if you go there, you will find it.
Hi H,
Just so you know, T8, is the “moderator” or super administrator. He goes by “heaven” as the administrator and “t8” the rest of the time.Hi,
We can all say we love scripture.
Everyone who contributes here is familiar in some way with the extraordinary compilation of books we call the bible. We know that is says of itself that it was written by the Holy Spirit through men. Holy Writ is God speaking to men directly, living power throughout time and beyond it, revealing the nature, the will and the plan of our creator.
Some prefer one version over another.
Some prefer a variety of versions.
Some are excited about it's depth and dimensions.
Some realise it's power to change us.All these things are wonderful and our Father loves us feeding on this heavenly food.
But other approaches are possible.
Some use scripture to bolster their ideas.
Some use scripture to control people.
Some use scripture as a weapon.We are not meant to use scripture in any way.
We do not own it.
We do not even understand much of it.
We serve it.
It is greater than us.
We are servants of the God who wrote it.
We are instruments for God.
We submit to scriptural authority.He has allowed us to see heavenly things so we can introduce others to it's Source.
If we love and respect the bible, it is very easy to show that we do by carefully teaching from only within that which it teaches. That is what God wants us to do. That is what the Holy Spirit will lead us to do.
We can have opinions and speculate as much as we like but we teach from what can be known only, from what is written. That shows we love the Word more than any claims we make.
ps Jn 15.7
“If you abide in me and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you”
2Jn 9
“Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching; he has both the Father and the Son”Hi H,
I agree with the use of this principle to establish a truth in scripture. i believe it is why we have four gospels.
Your posts said
“However, we now hear of many convicted persons on death row who have been found to be innocent upon appeal. For this reason, it seems to us that God wisely adjudged under the Old and New Covenants that, in His divinely instituted judicial systems, at least two witnesses must be present to establish guilt. Consider His Word concerning jurisprudence in Israel and in His Church:Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die. Num. 35:30
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deut. 19:15
But if [your brother] will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matt. 18:16“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. II Cor. 13:1a
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.” I Tim. 5:19
Hi H,
No king was appointed by God to leadership in His church.
Such are man's works in man's church.Your words I disagree with;
“In his capacity as King of Great Britain, James I was also head of the Church of England.”To say that the KJV is infallible and at the same time admit that the men who wrote and translated are not, is a contradiction.
1) All men have fallen short of God's glory.
2) No translation is perfect.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2006,22:29) Hi kenrch,
Were these verses truly CHANGED?
Or do the other versions honestly reflect alternative manuscript writings?KJV enthusiasts love to suggest that they have been altered, but usually not.
NIV is another story at times.
True, you can't assume its always a change unless you prove it first.Quote (liljon @ July 13 2006,22:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2006,22:29) Hi kenrch,
Were these verses truly CHANGED?
Or do the other versions honestly reflect alternative manuscript writings?KJV enthusiasts love to suggest that they have been altered, but usually not.
NIV is another story at times.
True, you can't assume its always a change unless you prove it first.
To me some of the translations in an attempt to “make the scripture easier to understand” take the meaning right out.Not all the time but sometimes and sometimes they seem to change the meaning completely. I mostl read the ASV but sometimes I check it against the KJ.
Well after Rev. 22:14 I don't trust any of the translations that “changed” the Word of God. Some of the changes doesn't change the meaning. But even the words that doesn't change the meaning seems to “water down” the scripture. Some do what they are suppose too. And others such as Rev. 22:14.
“FROM HEATHEN TO NATIONS”
AV., BBE, NAS, NRSV;NC,AMS,RV,TLB
Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which Jehovah speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 thus saith Jehovah, Learn not the way of the *nations*, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the *nations* are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are like a palm-tree, of turned work, and speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good.K.J.
Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the *heathen*, and be not dismayed at the signs of *heaven*; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.While the translation from heathen to nations is correct The scripture seems to loose it's “soul” or power.
So here is the delemma. It is alright to attack the KJ. Yet, how many of you are willing to stand up against my attacks on your translations. Your translations will not hold water. God's word will fill them full of holes. So if you want to go there, we can go there. There is only one book that has stood the test of time. It will displace all others. If you want to take the challenge, bring it.
I have already asked a few about the NIV and why it has taken out fasting. The rely to why it was removed was no reply at all. So if you can not take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Otherwise, post your translation and let me shread it to pieces. God's word is infallible and will swallow all.
You all want to attack the KJ. Yet, let's put the ball in your court now. I have made my stand. My proof lies within my doctrine given through the unction of the Holy Spirit. Many claim the same, but not all have proven it to be so. Jesus said my flock will know my voice. Jesus is the Word. If Jesus is the Word and if men do not recognize the Word, is the Holy Spirit in those men?
All who are born again, spirit filled believers, who put their faith in God and not in man will hear his voice. Unfortunately, many get trapped into accepting the translations that have been corrupted by men, and yet, they refuse to go to churches for fear of being corrupted. I do not see the difference. Most of these churches you flee from were spawned by these translations. Open your eyes and see.
Hi,
What is that noisy gong or clanging cymbal I hear?
It does not sound like the wind of the Spirit but the competitive ways of men.
Should we listen to this noisy stranger's voice or seek the gentle master's call?As I stated above. You flee the churches that were created by the very translations you hold dear. So do you want to talk about your translation Nick? You already disreguard going to church. So now let us disreguard your word altogether. Tell me your version and I will fill it full of holes using God's word. Then your house of sand will sink once and for all.
Hi H,
Are you seeking for some sort of scriptural battle over versions?
You have come to the wrong place because we love the Spirit that inspires them all and cannot be bothered with superficial carnal contention as it is not the way of Jesus.
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