A coincidence or a creation?

[karmarie]

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Hi Selah, Using the Bible to define Biblical doctrine is much better that using 'brain bondo', which can make almost anything line up that may have no connection whatsoever. The three points you label A,B & C: 'mark'(A) 'name'(B) and 'number'( C). Rev.13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. B. The Name can clearly be identified with Rev.13:1… Rev.13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. I have identified what the 'name of blasphemy' is, many times, but Georg has trouble accepting it. (Nahum 1:14) Identifying which beast the 'image' is, will help both: A. and C. fall into place as well. Rev.13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and (Rev.13:11) cause that as many as would not worship the image of the (Rev.13:1) beast should be killed. The second(Rev.13:11) beast: gives life to the image of the beast, therefore: 'the image' must be that of the first beast as well; do you agree? These things are NOT hard to nail down “IF” you know what they refer to. Do you agree that John the revalator and 1John were both the same John? If you do we can go farther with agreement, if not you (like Georg) may not accept my input either? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

So.. what do they refer to?

[selah]

Georg … SDA stands for Seventh Day Adventist.
The “Aloha” site you gave was SDA.

ED … my A B C was image mark and number, not as you said, mark name and number.
There is a small but important difference.  Knowing the correct number system first (which God did not state)
comes before applying it to a suspect.  

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory
(of understanding) over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name
(image mark number), stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.  Rev 15:2-3.

Understanding what the “harps” of God signify helps also.

By identifying what the image is, things then fall into place.
By identifying who the number applies to, things then fall into place.

Identifying the rider on the first white horse with crown and bow is most important.  
Then things fall into place.

Ed … if you do not believe that Roman Catholicism/papacy is one of the beasts of Revelation
(which you had indicated by saying that they do not deny the Father and the Son)we can go no further.

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 05 2010,22:24)

Quote Hi Selah, Using the Bible to define Biblical doctrine is much better that using 'brain bondo', which can make almost anything line up that may have no connection whatsoever. The three points you label A,B & C: 'mark'(A) 'name'(B) and 'number'( C). Rev.13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. B. The Name can clearly be identified with Rev.13:1… Rev.13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. I have identified what the 'name of blasphemy' is, many times, but Georg has trouble accepting it. (Nahum 1:14) Identifying which beast the 'image' is, will help both: A. and C. fall into place as well. Rev.13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and (Rev.13:11) cause that as many as would not worship the image of the (Rev.13:1) beast should be killed. The second(Rev.13:11) beast: gives life to the image of the beast, therefore: 'the image' must be that of the first beast as well; do you agree? These things are NOT hard to nail down “IF” you know what they refer to. Do you agree that John the revalator and 1John were both the same John? If you do we can go farther with agreement, if not you (like Georg) may not accept my input either? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, So.. what do they refer to?

Hi Karmarie,

Georg is all worried about the physical correlation of the beasts, which they also do have.
But without understanding the spiritual application: the physical correlation doesn't amount
to much significance at all! The spiritual application is addressed by the Apostle Paul in…
Eph. 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

     The two 'spiritual' beasts of Rev.13:1 and 13:11: just what are they about?

The first beast (Rev.13:1) is: Identified by John in 1John 4:3 as the spirit of antichrist; look carefully at what it does…
1John 4:3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that
spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The second beast (Rev.13:11) causes all to worship the image of the first beast (Rev.13:1).
Both beasts (13:1, 13:11) of Rev. refer to this spiritual wickedness (Eph.6:12) in 'high places'!

              Bringing it all together for the readers of this thread!

The 'antichrist' message is: Jesus is going to come in the flesh; but the scripture says he already came.
This 'antichrist' message that is deceiving the whole world is 'A FLESH SECOND COMING' of Jesus!
“The second coming of Jesus” that “The Bible” refers to in John 14:23 occurred at “Pentecost”!
The world is deceived (by spirit of 'antichrist') into 'thinking' Jesus will (Falsely) make a 'flesh return'!

This is the image that is worshiped by mystery Babylon(Rev.17:5), the 'flesh of Jesus'! (Rom.1:25)
The false prophet's(666) message of Rev.13:12-15 is clearly understood as “Bible Truth” is the light!
“Bible Truth”(AKJV Eph.5:13-14) is the light: He(the false prophet) will work hard to KILL “The Truth”! (Rev.13:15)
I will go into a lot more detail in this thread as God's “Bible Truth” is understood by the readers.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Hi Ed,

I studied alot into what the Eastern Orthodox believe regarding the book of Revelations, I had figured that as they claim to be from the Apostle Peter and Paul and to be the original church, they may know more! So, the believe the book of revelations is inspired, but should not be read by just anyone, theyre reason being it is too easy to wrongly interpret what it all means. (Which could be right; just look at all the different opinions everywhere!)

The Orthodox who have delved into its pages say something really different but its hard to find much on the web, I think I'l try though.

[Elizabeth]

Ed

This is a test, try your best, but leave out the numbers, no confusion. It is not a spiritual test either, symbolic, yes.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Who are the seven heads? and who or what are the ten horns?

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Who is the beast that was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit?

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Do you believe this is talking about the seven hills Rome is build on?

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Who are the seven kings? who are the five that are fallen? who is the one that is? and who is the one not yet come?

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Who is the beast that was, and is not? who is the eighth that is of the seven?

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Who are these kings that give their power to what beast?

Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

How can they have one mind, and give their power to what beast?

I gave this test to terraricca, you could wait and check his.
Lets just see how cheep talk is, professor. Don't bother for now to explain the woman sitting on the beast, we save her for later.

Georg

[terraricca]

georg

so you looking for cheep talk;let go by questions,first there is one chosen kingdom and it is the kingdom of God and Christ is the King,this we all agree on;

secondly who is that beast 7 heads we know it is the world powers,but who is the 8 well it says he is out of the 7 heads but he represent also the total 7 and will go to perdition,

now we know that the final fight is for the supremacy of Christ kingdom,so it would logical to assume that the 8 th king will make all the kings of the earth come to one mind by refusing to give up there kingdom and worship God the father,to do that as we see it in action before our eyes ,is that the western countries are working hard to promote the ancient Greece trade mark 'DEMOCRATY' this will all the countries be able to trade,work,share the planet,and control all others,this of cause will put in jeopardy

there sovereignty if there would be another power beside there's this is were the harlot is one to many to handle and that's where she will be eaten,so that only one power ,one mind,one will is left,and no they will fight the remaining true Christians on the planet,this is were Christ return will be seen by the destruction of that earthly kingdom,

this in a shell is my understanding of those events ,now georg you can let loose you fury of comments

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

You don't take this serious, why should I do you?

Georg

[terraricca]

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terraricca You don't take this serious, why should I do you? Georg

georg

it is because you said talk is cheep ,it is true but not to be said in a christian environment.

no bad intent

[Elizabeth]

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Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 06 2010,13:47) terraricca You don't take this serious, why should I do you? Georg georg it is because you said talk is cheep ,it is true but not to be said in a christian environment. no bad intent

terraricca

Did you noticed to whom I had addressed that post?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 06 2010,12:59)

Ed Rev 17:3   So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.   Rev 17:8   The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.   Who is the beast that was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit? Rev 17:11   And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.   Who are these that give their power to what beast? Rev 17:13   These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.   Georg

Hi Georg,

I removed all your distracting propaganda questions so 'the problem' can be clearly identified.

                      The whore is riding the red dragon

The beast that that the whore of Rev.17:3 is riding is the great red dragon of Rev.12:3.
The red dragon is the (i am=23) that was, and is not (and yet is), and ascends out of the bottomless pit.

                         Mystery Babylon is the whore

Mystery Babylon: The mother of harlots is riding the red dragon (of Rev.17:3) because she worships the image told
by false prophet, which causes the whole earth to worship the antichrist's name of blasphemy: 'i am'=23. (Rev.13:1)
Mark 3:26: If Satan (i am) rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an 'end'=23.

                            Identifying the 'antichrist'

satan's=74 name is Lucifer=74 known as the 'great i am'=74 and is the 'antichrist' of Rev.13:1. (74+74+74=222)
Satan did rise up against himself, so his kingdom is divided and it cannot stand but hath an 'end'. (Haggai 2:22)

                   888 divided into 666 and 222 (Rev.16:19)

Rev.17:13: These with one mind are (physically) represented as satan divided
into the 'antichrist' (222) of Rev.13:1 and the false prophet (666) of Rev.13:11.
These are the ones that are declaring with one mind that 'i am' is their god.
The false prophet's image is [Ιησους=888] Ē-Ā-Soos as a flesh god,
which is called by the antichrist's 'name of blasphemy': i am.

                              Identifying the image

The image: which both the 'antichrist'(222) and the 'false prophet'(666) worship is…
[222+666=888] a false flesh god under the Greek name [Ιησους=888]! (Isaiah 53:12)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

Ed, you're a cotton picker.

And again, you did exactly what I did “not” ask of you, and that is, talk about the woman “SITTING” on the beast. You see, you even got that wrong; the woman is sitting on the beast, “NOT” riding it. What's the difference? when your only sitting on it, you're not in control.
What do you use for your number system, a sun dial? it's hard to figure out in the shade, isn't it?
You don't know what the seven heads are, do you?
They are the seven kingdoms of the Bible.
1 Egypt.
2 Assyrians.
3 Babylonians.
4 Medo-Persians.
5 Greeks.
6 Romans.
7 League of Nation, out of it the 8th, United Nation.
Tell me what they all have in common, there are two things.

Who or what are the ten horns? why “TEN”?
Ten is the number of completion, or “ALL” included.
They are all the kings that make up the seventh head/beast, the “LEAGUE OF NATION”.

Who is the beast that was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit?
What was until the death of Justinian? a world ruling government, a “ONE” world government.
When did a ONE world government appear again? came out of the bottomless pit, if there is such a thing? After the first WW, 1918, the “LEAGUE OF NATION”.

Rev 17:10   And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.  

Who are the, five are fallen? go back and check off the first five of the seven I gave you.
And who is the “one is”? if you haven't figured it out, it's “Rome”.
And “the other is not yet come”? the “League of Nation”.

Rev 17:12   And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  
Rev 17:13   These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

The “ten” horns are all the nations/kings, that belonged to the seventh head, the “League of Nation”.
They have all one mind, they all would agree on a resolution. By doing that, they gave there strength to the beast/government.

You call that “distracting propaganda question”, does your nose look like a tomato?
That is how you should have answered me, had you known the answers.

I still left the question open; what are the two things these kingdoms have in common?

Georg

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2010,14:10) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 06 2010,13:47) terraricca You don't take this serious, why should I do you? Georg georg it is because you said talk is cheep ,it is true but not to be said in a christian environment. no bad intent terraricca Did you noticed to whom I had addressed that post? Georg

georg
sorry my mistake,

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

OK, I think Ed must have deleted that part, I can't find it no more.

Georg

[karmarie]

Maybe most of the world has become the Beast?
I once saw the globe of the world, most of it was devoured by a “reptile type thing” it was just about to devour the middle east.
It actually made me cry. It just felt wrong.

The Bible does say it decieves the whole world, whatever it is. Or whoever it is.

[Elizabeth]

karmarie

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Georg

[terraricca]

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Maybe most of the world has become the Beast? I once saw the globe of the world, most of it was devoured by a “reptile type thing” it was just about to devour the middle east. It actually made me cry. It just felt wrong. The Bible does say it decieves the whole world, whatever it is. Or whoever it is.

K

the beast is a entity created by the wicket spirit in men driven in the same pad then Satan (adversary)against God.and this entity as become a beast just look at what it does ,and how it has developed itself throughout the century s.

no man can control it only God.

do understand that in the world of politics and powers men as no control to do what he wants no matter is power forces are.

look some of those nations are very powerful and are unable to intervene in many things ,and some time they do things so simple and fail in there accomplishment.

look how God fights ,all his weapon are in nature ,snow,water,rain,earth quakes,volcanoes,ices pallets,freezing rain,wind,storms,tornadoes,dryness,heat of the sun,ect;not counting the wickedness of the wicket himself.

and none is used without purpose.

and above all that God protect is people.

[karmarie]

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karmarie Rev 12:9   And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Georg

Of course, its Satan. And his angels
Who use people to do things on earth.

[karmarie]

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,22:08) Maybe most of the world has become the Beast? I once saw the globe of the world, most of it was devoured by a “reptile type thing” it was just about to devour the middle east. It actually made me cry. It just felt wrong. The Bible does say it decieves the whole world, whatever it is. Or whoever it is. K the beast is a entity created by the wicket spirit in men driven in the same pad then Satan (adversary)against God.and this entity as become a beast just look at what it does ,and how it has developed itself throughout the century s. no man can control it only God. do understand that in the world of politics and powers men as no control to do what he wants no matter is power forces are. look some of those nations are very powerful and are unable to intervene in many things ,and some time they do things so simple and fail in there accomplishment. look how God fights ,all his weapon are in nature ,snow,water,rain,earth quakes,volcanoes,ices pallets,freezing rain,wind,storms,tornadoes,dryness,heat of the sun,ect;not counting the wickedness of the wicket himself. and none is used without purpose. and above all that God protect is people.

Yes I agree T.

[karmarie]

Selah? Where have you gone?

[selah]

Karmarie, as one interested in God's prophetic numbers, I am in seventh heaven at the moment, but I will be back shortly!

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