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Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2010,06:51) Quote (karmarie @ June 26 2010,23:29) 70 ad, I recall reading, in Jerusalem something was seen above in the skies, horses and voices or something, it was on some preterist site? Or recorded by Josephus I think it was, ok I found this in a quick search..
http://www.purelybiblical.com/ftp/D/Destruction_of_Jerusalem.pdf
Kthanks for that info very interesting
Pierre
Ki wen trough that info ,
do you believe that all true??
Pierre
Hi, I believe the historical account is true but I believe in Partial Preterism or Ammilenialism which is different than full preterism, allthough most was fullfilled in 70ad, theres still more to come, the end hasnt happened, its what Eastern Orthodox believe.
Quote (JustAskin @ June 26 2010,13:34) SF, Jesus is refering to his second coming.
Do you imaging that 'his reward is with him to give to those that have washed their robes' was only for the Apostles? No, for ALL 'who washed their robes', which means 'the end'
His reward is to judge the world and give 'life' to those who believe.
Does Jesus, himself, 'give life' or just marks those out 'for life', and that life is 'in, and from, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit of God'
Ja,
this is responding to what?
When did i say that the washed robes are only for the apostles?What does this have to do with what im asking for.
What does the second coming of Jesus have to do with 70ad.
Quote (karmarie @ June 27 2010,13:54) Hi, I believe the historical account is true but I believe in Partial Preterism or Ammilenialism which is different than full preterism, allthough most was fullfilled in 70ad, theres still more to come, the end hasnt happened, its what Eastern Orthodox believe.
Ki mean the account of the vision in the sky and noise ect…
Pierre
Quote (karmarie @ June 27 2010,07:54) Hi, I believe the historical account is true but I believe in Partial Preterism or Ammilenialism which is different than full preterism, allthough most was fullfilled in 70ad, theres still more to come, the end hasnt happened, its what Eastern Orthodox believe.
Karmarie,here is the problem with this site,
one it speaks of the jews destruction what happen with the fullness of the gentiles?The gentiles are compeletly left out of here which was the whole purpose of Paul, and revealing the real purpose is to preach to the gentiles.
John 1 expresses giving the light, to the gentiles.
I personally do not believe this. it has to many errors.
and the worst tribulations we are living today.
literally we live in an era of trickery, where we cant buy or sell in the USA without papers. of course there are ways around that.
think about it, without papers one cant even buy a home, or do anything. no papers, almost no way of living unless its done by a back door aspect.this is the era where you cant even tell from friend from foe.
hi all
i believe that all the description of what they supposedly have seen then in Jerusalem a round the temple at the Pentecost is not true or at the least not Godly source.
Pierre
Sf,
Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking.
You asked KJ about what happened in 70ad. I was surprised that you asked, that you didn't know…or just wanted someone to expose their own knowledge or idea.
I can't remember what the rest is about.
It made sense at the time and is still useful for future reference, all the same.
Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,11:58) Sf, Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking.
You asked KJ about what happened in 70ad. I was surprised that you asked, that you didn't know…or just wanted someone to expose their own knowledge or idea.
I can't remember what the rest is about.
It made sense at the time and is still useful for future reference, all the same.
Ja,exactly i asked what happend.
I really didnt know anything about 70ad.
Its the very FIRST that i ever heard of this.
now i have my answers.and building up a case to attack this if anything.
because to me holding this to be true is lol intresting.anyways just askin,
There are so many…. speculations and false religions that i learned a majority of them. espeacially in school, because its part of my degree to learn about other religions.
but other religlions are so much more simpler compared to the denominations of Christianity,
anyways, this 70ad issue only has the supposed “testimony” as its evidence, without that testimony, the scriptures stay as prophecy.doesnt change. the dispute isnt scriptural.
the dispute is whether this testimony is legit enough or even holds when compared to scriptures.I still dont know enough though.
just keep on swimming, swimming , swimming…
Hi Simply Forgiven.
I have no idea, maybe KJ can answer that?
I believe we're in the last days as most say, that the devil has been let lose for one last attempt to decieve the nations, to gather them for battle, their number as the sand of the sea, then fire will come down and devour them.
yes we are in a time of deception, the world is decieved, decieved people dont know theyre being decieved.
This good news of the kingdom will be preached, as a witness to all the nations, then the end will come (2nd Peter 3)…..This has almost been achieved, if not already.
Hi T, I dont know if I believe the visions they had of things in the sky, I just remembered it from my past studies.
SF,
I'm not sure what this pretty thing is that everyone is talking about.
All i know is that tne Romans overran Jerusalem and killed many Jews and destroyed the Temple and desecrated it by entering the inner sanctum in their battle dress.
This is the most abominable thing ever.
This is the prophecy that states 'the abomination standing where it should not'
The inner sanctum is the 'earthy abode' of the pure spirited God Almighty' and it was despoiled by the abomination that butchered the Saints in their arena's for 'sport', who covered them in wax and used them as 'human candles', fed them to deliberately hungered wild animals, and every abominable thought that entered their heads by which a man can be brutalised and murdered, the more hideous the more 'fun' they thought it was.
This is the same abomination that gave us the abomination of 'Trinity'. That us, endorsed the creed and forced all standardised churches to comply, yes, the 'Holy??' Roman…Catholic…Church, and all it's sister spin off..Protestantism, Baptism, Pentecostism, Presbytarianism, Church of God, whatever…
Maybe, the verses stating 'he seats himself on the very throne of God, showing himself to be God…' is about the Pope, as some have said.
Rumour: More people of Catholic Faith believe and venerate the Pope …more than God, Himself….Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,19:05) SF, I'm not sure what this pretty thing is that everyone is talking about.
All i know is that tne Romans overran Jerusalem and killed many Jews and destroyed the Temple and desecrated it by entering the inner sanctum in their battle dress.
This is the most abominable thing ever.
This is the prophecy that states 'the abomination standing where it should not'
The inner sanctum is the 'earthy abode' of the pure spirited God Almighty' and it was despoiled by the abomination that butchered the Saints in their arena's for 'sport', who covered them in wax and used them as 'human candles', fed them to deliberately hungered wild animals, and every abominable thought that entered their heads by which a man can be brutalised and murdered, the more hideous the more 'fun' they thought it was.
This is the same abomination that gave us the abomination of 'Trinity'. That us, endorsed the creed and forced all standardised churches to comply, yes, the 'Holy??' Roman…Catholic…Church, and all it's sister spin off..Protestantism, Baptism, Pentecostism, Presbytarianism, Church of God, whatever…
Maybe, the verses stating 'he seats himself on the very throne of God, showing himself to be God…' is about the Pope, as some have said.
Rumour: More people of Catholic Faith believe and venerate the Pope …more than God, Himself….
Ja,
im not sure what the pretty thing is either?thats all that happen in 70ad?
so than………. what happen to Jesus, did he come or not… or what?
what did he do, come and hang out, or what.No,
Jesus didn't return in 70AD.It was a notable moment Scripturally.
The Temple is an important building which follows in the line of the Arc of the Covenant.
We have kids program over here that goes through 'real history not as taught in School. Wart, literally, and all' and it goes through the history of the Roman Emperors and Empire and the positives and narsties that they did, no holes barred. The Romans were truly 'the Abomination Nation'.
Quote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,09:28) No,
Jesus didn't return in 70AD.It was a notable moment Scripturally.
The Temple is an important building which follows in the line of the Arc of the Covenant.
We have kids program over here that goes through 'real history not as taught in School. Wart, literally, and all' and it goes through the history of the Roman Emperors and Empire and the positives and narsties that they did, no holes barred. The Romans were truly 'the Abomination Nation'.
Yes Jesus did return in ad70! He told His disciples that some of them would remain alive to see His coming:Matthew 16:28:
28 “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Jesus said, “TRULY.” So if He did not return while some of His disciples were still alive, then He was not speaking “TRULY.”
KJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 29 2010,00:03) Quote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,09:28) No,
Jesus didn't return in 70AD.It was a notable moment Scripturally.
The Temple is an important building which follows in the line of the Arc of the Covenant.
We have kids program over here that goes through 'real history not as taught in School. Wart, literally, and all' and it goes through the history of the Roman Emperors and Empire and the positives and narsties that they did, no holes barred. The Romans were truly 'the Abomination Nation'.
Yes Jesus did return in ad70! He told His disciples that some of them would remain alive to see His coming:Matthew 16:28:
28 “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Jesus said, “TRULY.” So if He did not return while some of His disciples were still alive, then He was not speaking “TRULY.”
KJ
so what happened exactly?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 29 2010,06:09) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 29 2010,00:03) Quote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,09:28) No,
Jesus didn't return in 70AD.It was a notable moment Scripturally.
The Temple is an important building which follows in the line of the Arc of the Covenant.
We have kids program over here that goes through 'real history not as taught in School. Wart, literally, and all' and it goes through the history of the Roman Emperors and Empire and the positives and narsties that they did, no holes barred. The Romans were truly 'the Abomination Nation'.
Yes Jesus did return in ad70! He told His disciples that some of them would remain alive to see His coming:Matthew 16:28:
28 “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Jesus said, “TRULY.” So if He did not return while some of His disciples were still alive, then He was not speaking “TRULY.”
KJ
so what happened exactly?
Read Matthews 24; Mark 13; Luke 21 and then Josephus. Jesus said that He was speaking “truly.”KJ
SF,
KJ could be right but his 'evidence' is suspect at the moment.
Ask him to detail what the events were and the Scriptural proof or any evidential intelligence.
Quote (JustAskin @ June 29 2010,08:04) SF, KJ could be right but his 'evidence' is suspect at the moment.
Ask him to detail what the events were and the Scriptural proof or any evidential intelligence.
Jesus' words alone are good enough for me. He said that some of His disciples would remain alive to His coming. He said, “TRULY I say to you, that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death til they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom” (Matt. 16:28).There are only 4 ways to look at Jesus' words above:
(1) Jesus was confused about future events.
(2) Jesus deliberately misled those He spoke to.
(3) Jesus lied to those He spoke to.
(4) Jesus told the truth and many in the church today are guilty of believing something about the Scriptures that is not true; namely, that He has not yet returned and set up His kingdom.Jesus said that He was speaking “TRUTHFULLY.” That's all the “evidence” I need.
KJ
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