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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,18:47) The point is david, scripture encourages us to work out the number of the beast. It says that those who have understanding can work out the number of the beast. Note the words, “those with understanding”. Thus there is something to this obviously, so shunning all evidence to this is not what the Book of Revelation is telling us to do is it.
Point in hand. If someone told you something and you checked it out and it was indeed the case, even if the chance was 1/2 it was still right. But you could always make the case that you had a 50% chance therefore you could have been wrong too. Except that it is scripture that is telling us and I thought that you had a respect for scripture, plus the chances are much smaller than 50%, so it only lends more to the credibility of what that scripture is telling us.
t8The assumption is this is some sort of future beast and does not take into consideration that it was a vision for instance in the bible when it talks about the anti-christ it says he/they were already there at that time.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.Now for some reason people assume that 666 is some future issue when in fact revelation could have simply been pointing to someone of that day otherwise there would be no reason for a code. there is only mention of this one single time in the bible there is no cofirming scripture(Second witness) if you look at 1 John 2:18 notice it assumes “we know that it is the last time” obviously it wasn't the last times.
The anti-Christs were simply Jews and or others that were against Jesus and his followers because they were and still are Anti-Christs
The funny thing about you is you just throw Muhammad in there although he came speaking about Christ and how he came in the flesh through the miraculous birth and strengthened with the Holy Spirit and you call him anti-Christ demonstrating spectacular ignorance(Having no knowledge) on the subject
bod, I didn't just throw Muhammad in there it was actually you. I very rarely speak about Muhammad but will reply to a post about him which is what I did in this case.
As far as the beast goes. It would stand to reason that the beast would be of the spirit of antichrist or would be an antichrist and that would not nullify that there are many others who are antichrists.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 28 2012,14:54) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,11:02) Please demonstrate how this adds to 888. (Revelation 13: 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.)
Taken from Wikipedia.
A leading exponent of the Maometis interpretation was Charles Walmesley, the Roman Catholic bishop of Rama. He observed that the name Muhammad was spelled Maometis or Moametis by Euthymius Zygabenus and the Greek historians Zonaras and Cedrenus. Other proponents include Charles Montagu, Gilbert Genebrard, Francois Feuardent, and Rene Massuet. Maometis in Greek gematria totals 666:
MAOMETISTOTAL
4017040530010200666Here is the gematria for Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord =KURIOS=800 (Kappa=30 + Upsilon=400 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 100
Jesus=IESOUS=888 (Iota=10 + Eta=8 + Sigma=200 + Omicron=70 + Upsilon=400 + Sigma=200) 8 x 111
Christ=XRISTOS=1480 (Chi=600 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Sigma=200 + Tau=300 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 396
total=3168
By the way why would you be using greek numbers for Jesus?
Where can I get the Hebrew version of the New Testamant?Some say it is likely that Jesus spoke Aramaic as his primary language, and that he almost certainly knew Hebrew and perhaps Greek as well.
Wikipedia says this:
The original texts were written in the first and second centuries of the Christian Era, most likely in Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean from the Conquests of Alexander the Great (335–323 BC) till the evolution of Byzantine Greek (c. 600). All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than around 150 AD. Numerous scholars date all of them prior to AD 70, because there is no mention of the total destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, or the final years and deaths of Paul, Peter, and the other apostles.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 29 2012,07:33) bod, I didn't just throw Muhammad in there it was actually you. I very rarely speak about Muhammad but will reply to a post about him which is what I did in this case. As far as the beast goes. It would stand to reason that the beast would be of the spirit of antichrist or would be an antichrist and that would not nullify that there are many others who are antichrists.
The problem is if someone ignores what “Anti” means then what's the point?Besides the post wasn't about Muhammad so it didn't require such a mean spirited, propoganda response.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 29 2012,07:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 28 2012,14:54) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,11:02) Please demonstrate how this adds to 888. (Revelation 13: 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.)
Taken from Wikipedia.
A leading exponent of the Maometis interpretation was Charles Walmesley, the Roman Catholic bishop of Rama. He observed that the name Muhammad was spelled Maometis or Moametis by Euthymius Zygabenus and the Greek historians Zonaras and Cedrenus. Other proponents include Charles Montagu, Gilbert Genebrard, Francois Feuardent, and Rene Massuet. Maometis in Greek gematria totals 666:
MAOMETISTOTAL
4017040530010200666Here is the gematria for Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord =KURIOS=800 (Kappa=30 + Upsilon=400 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 100
Jesus=IESOUS=888 (Iota=10 + Eta=8 + Sigma=200 + Omicron=70 + Upsilon=400 + Sigma=200) 8 x 111
Christ=XRISTOS=1480 (Chi=600 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Sigma=200 + Tau=300 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 396
total=3168
By the way why would you be using greek numbers for Jesus?
Where can I get the Hebrew version of the New Testamant?Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2012,18:11) Ha ha. Unique by design not according to the evidence.
There is no design in nature according to Stu.
No design only exists with that which man makes.
Uh huh! Yeah right, I fell in the last lifeboat.
You have represented my view accurately in the first three lines.That fourth line is an interesting mythology of your personal origins, but it is more credible than the Judeo-christian mythologies of all the different ways humans are supposedly made. Falling out of a lifeboat has some appeal that is absent from deities breathing into dirt or performing magic on ribs.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 29 2012,14:19) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2012,18:11) Ha ha. Unique by design not according to the evidence.
There is no design in nature according to Stu.
No design only exists with that which man makes.
Uh huh! Yeah right, I fell in the last lifeboat.
You have represented my view accurately in the first three lines.That fourth line is an interesting mythology of your personal origins, but it is more credible than the Judeo-christian mythologies of all the different ways humans are supposedly made. Falling out of a lifeboat has some appeal that is absent from deities breathing into dirt or performing magic on ribs.
Stuart
StuYou need to have a serious debate with me, your view on creationism is simply skewed by your hatred of anything attributed to God or Godliness
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