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- February 4, 2011 at 1:15 pm#235324Ed JParticipant
Major discovery: 54 Planets found in Habitable Zone; [54+63=117]
God's Signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)February 18, 2012 at 4:39 am#279101davidParticipantThis is a prime example of why I do not believe in this.
If 54 planets being found in the habitable zone is some kind of secret hidden message saying:
number of habitable planets (54) + God's name in English (63) = God the Father (117)
So, what happens when another planet is discovered?
And why would we think that Jesus put this particular message in the Bible code? What is so important about the number of habitable planets and their relation to “God the Father.” Why not pick all planets? Or all the planets in our solar system? Or the number of stars that have planets that we know of? Or the number of hairs on my head?It's just so random. It's so easy to find meaning where there is none. I think it's been proven that “finding meaning where there is none is a common human trait.” We see faces where there aren't faces. We find patterns where there is only randomness. Something in our brain makes us do this, because it's often helpful. However, it's also harmful, if we start assigning order and meaning where there is actually no order.
Evolutionists explain it this way: The cave man who saw a bush rustling and believed there was a reason and a purpose behind it, either went and checked it out, or took some defensive action. The caveman who ignored the bush rustling, was eaten by a tiger.
I don't believe the above, but regardless, we, HUMANS, have for some reason developed the trait of assigning order and meaning where there is none. For the imaginary caveman, it became better to believe that something was there, rather than not believe that something was there.
I don't know why I'm still talking about this, but I do know that we see meaning where there is none.
If the number of planets was 55, i bet you could come up with something that fits pretty good, couldn't you?
What about 57? Yup.
And 58? Yes.
And if you can't, you can always change the arbitrary (63) YHVH for just about anything else.Or, you could change the 117. It could be almost anything, and regardless of what number, I'm sure we could assign meaning to it.
For me, it is so obvious that you are just picking numbers and finding ways to see what you want to see. I just haven't seen you ever actually try to prove this Bible code idea. I don't think it can be proved simply or logically. Can it? It's like you need faith to believe in it, in order for it to work. (But people that believe in something, find a way to make their brains see that thing as working and real.)
david
February 21, 2012 at 7:29 am#279809Ed JParticipantHi David,
The point wasn't that 54 was a “fixed” number,
but that it was when they did the report.
I hope you understand my point.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgFebruary 21, 2012 at 7:31 am#279811Ed JParticipantThese numbers, however, ARE FIXED in the “AKJV Bible”!
God's Signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org[/quote]February 24, 2012 at 5:42 am#280288StuParticipantQuote (david @ Feb. 18 2012,14:39) Evolutionists explain it this way: The cave man who saw a bush rustling and believed there was a reason and a purpose behind it, either went and checked it out, or took some defensive action. The caveman who ignored the bush rustling, was eaten by a tiger. I don't believe the above, but regardless, we, HUMANS, have for some reason developed the trait of assigning order and meaning where there is none. For the imaginary caveman, it became better to believe that something was there, rather than not believe that something was there.
It really is better to suspect a sabre tooth tiger even though there is none, than to ignore possible signs of one.But I agree with your sentiment. This kind of argument can be akin to arguments at the crackpot end of the evolutionary psychology spectrum. Perhaps it is better to generalise and say that pattern-seeking is so advantageous that it outweighs the wastefulness of its byproduct behaviours. It may even be that the observing of a pattern where there is none gives rise to supernatural religious beliefs that were advantageous in securing group cohesion in tribal society. More likely than the threat of a sabre-tooth tiger (not a trivial threat on the African Savannah where our ancestors first made a living) is that identification of real patterns, for example patterns in the times of the day you will find prey animals at the lagoon, gave us a survival advantage that made use of our one unique feature: the human brain.
Stuart
February 26, 2012 at 6:34 pm#280837bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Stu @ Feb. 24 2012,15:42) Quote (david @ Feb. 18 2012,14:39) Evolutionists explain it this way: The cave man who saw a bush rustling and believed there was a reason and a purpose behind it, either went and checked it out, or took some defensive action. The caveman who ignored the bush rustling, was eaten by a tiger. I don't believe the above, but regardless, we, HUMANS, have for some reason developed the trait of assigning order and meaning where there is none. For the imaginary caveman, it became better to believe that something was there, rather than not believe that something was there.
It really is better to suspect a sabre tooth tiger even though there is none, than to ignore possible signs of one.But I agree with your sentiment. This kind of argument can be akin to arguments at the crackpot end of the evolutionary psychology spectrum. Perhaps it is better to generalise and say that pattern-seeking is so advantageous that it outweighs the wastefulness of its byproduct behaviours. It may even be that the observing of a pattern where there is none gives rise to supernatural religious beliefs that were advantageous in securing group cohesion in tribal society. More likely than the threat of a sabre-tooth tiger (not a trivial threat on the African Savannah where our ancestors first made a living) is that identification of real patterns, for example patterns in the times of the day you will find prey animals at the lagoon, gave us a survival advantage that made use of our one unique feature: the human brain.
Stuart
Unique by designFebruary 26, 2012 at 10:50 pm#280953ProclaimerParticipantdavid, when 55 Goldilock zone planets are found, you just tweak the equation as there is a sufficient amount of words that you can use to construct a mathematical sum. Like the Web, when one pathway fails, there is a web of other paths you can take.
This way, the numbers will always line up with any predefined belief you might have and then you use that as support for your dogma.February 27, 2012 at 7:51 am#281122StuParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 27 2012,04:34) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 24 2012,15:42) Quote (david @ Feb. 18 2012,14:39) Evolutionists explain it this way: The cave man who saw a bush rustling and believed there was a reason and a purpose behind it, either went and checked it out, or took some defensive action. The caveman who ignored the bush rustling, was eaten by a tiger. I don't believe the above, but regardless, we, HUMANS, have for some reason developed the trait of assigning order and meaning where there is none. For the imaginary caveman, it became better to believe that something was there, rather than not believe that something was there.
It really is better to suspect a sabre tooth tiger even though there is none, than to ignore possible signs of one.But I agree with your sentiment. This kind of argument can be akin to arguments at the crackpot end of the evolutionary psychology spectrum. Perhaps it is better to generalise and say that pattern-seeking is so advantageous that it outweighs the wastefulness of its byproduct behaviours. It may even be that the observing of a pattern where there is none gives rise to supernatural religious beliefs that were advantageous in securing group cohesion in tribal society. More likely than the threat of a sabre-tooth tiger (not a trivial threat on the African Savannah where our ancestors first made a living) is that identification of real patterns, for example patterns in the times of the day you will find prey animals at the lagoon, gave us a survival advantage that made use of our one unique feature: the human brain.
Stuart
Unique by design
Not according to the evidence.Stuart
February 27, 2012 at 8:11 am#281128ProclaimerParticipantHa ha. Unique by design not according to the evidence.
There is no design in nature according to Stu.
No design only exists with that which man makes.
Uh huh! Yeah right, I fell in the last lifeboat.February 27, 2012 at 8:52 am#281134Ed JParticipantQuote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2012,08:50) david, when 55 Goldilock zone planets are found, you just tweak the equation as there is a sufficient amount of words that you can use to construct a mathematical sum. Like the Web, when one pathway fails, there is a web of other paths you can take.
This way, the numbers will always line up with any predefined belief you might have and then you use that as support for your dogma.
Hi T8,Of course that number is going to keep going up.
My point wasn't that is was a fixed number of planets.
But that is was the number (54) that YHVH first showed me.Here is a previous post of mine…
Hi Everybody,
I usually do not talk about Theomatic numbers in Scripture with most newer Christians,
but Atheists and those claiming to be Agnostic are different, needing the exposure,
as personal testimony of “God” means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to these people.
So let me tell you mine: I have had my understanding of God for 30 years
before numbers (such as you see in my Posts) were introduced to me.Have any of you ever seen the movie called ‘Bruce Almighty’ with Jim Cary?
There is a driving scene where Bruce cries out to God… “God show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.
That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 …I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took
me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and God has called me
to write a book that now documents the very “PROOF of God's existence”.
I have no buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, as I have no ego.
YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63.This has only been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of GOD's existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of ‘crackpots’.
My good friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.Sorry for the Autobiography, but it is necessary to this thread.
Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!___
God bless (Joshua 22:34 / Psalm 119:98-101)
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Eccl.9:13-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Rev.21:2-3)February 27, 2012 at 9:50 pm#281214bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,18:52) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2012,08:50) david, when 55 Goldilock zone planets are found, you just tweak the equation as there is a sufficient amount of words that you can use to construct a mathematical sum. Like the Web, when one pathway fails, there is a web of other paths you can take.
This way, the numbers will always line up with any predefined belief you might have and then you use that as support for your dogma.
Hi T8,Of course that number is going to keep going up.
My point wasn't that is was a fixed number of planets.
But that is was the number (54) that YHVH first showed me.Here is a previous post of mine…
Hi Everybody,
I usually do not talk about Theomatic numbers in Scripture with most newer Christians,
but Atheists and those claiming to be Agnostic are different, needing the exposure,
as personal testimony of “God” means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to these people.
So let me tell you mine: I have had my understanding of God for 30 years
before numbers (such as you see in my Posts) were introduced to me.Have any of you ever seen the movie called ‘Bruce Almighty’ with Jim Cary?
There is a driving scene where Bruce cries out to God… “God show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.
That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 …I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took
me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and God has called me
to write a book that now documents the very “PROOF of God's existence”.
I have no buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, as I have no ego.
YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63.This has only been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of GOD's existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of ‘crackpots’.
My good friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.Sorry for the Autobiography, but it is necessary to this thread.
Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!___
God bless (Joshua 22:34 / Psalm 119:98-101)
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Eccl.9:13-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Rev.21:2-3)
EDThe only problem is when you convince someone who is Atheist or Agnostic and since they are skeptical already they do research and find out that YHVH was originally YHWH which means your entire “proof” gets mangled.
Therefor your YHVH=63 changes into YHWH=64 and all the math doesn't line up anymore.The Fact is the “Waw” i.e W is the original sixth letter in hebrew and was only changed to “Vav” i.e. V from german and other european influence. Hence the word Jehovah is completely invented as the original Hebrew had no J or V.
You see ED a proof is not something that can be so easily disputed and you locking the “Name” of God to the Number system has made both faulted. Your idea of the Name of God and your Number proof is simutaneously disproven.
I don't say these things to side with Atheists or Agnostics I say them because they are true and you might end up making someone lose faith by immersing them in a labyrinth of false security and certainty to only find out the entire thing was built on sand.
Wouldn't it be better just to preach the Gospel you believe in?
Even if God called you to preach or be a prophet or whatever, did God really tell you to work out some numbers and try to utilize what you think His name is as some sort of code? ED you have been corrected so going further with it only makes clear that you are not interested in what God wants.
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.You should have studied more ED but you acted Presumptuously.
February 27, 2012 at 10:14 pm#281221bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,23:15) Major discovery: 54 Planets found in Habitable Zone; [54+63=117] God's Signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
Once agin I have to expose ED for his complete lack of knowledge, seriously.God must want me to do this so you can learn. You wrote about 54 planets found in the habital zone but you were incorrect.
But here is the rub:
There are 48 planet candidates in their star's habitable zone. While this is a decrease from the 54 reported in February, the Kepler team has applied a stricter definition of what constitutes a habitable zone in the new catalog, to account for the warming effect of atmospheres, which would move the zone away from the star, out to longer orbital periods.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepscicon-briefing.html
You should have looked for the most current information but instead you blew your horn without being certain of the facts
So No 54 Habitable planets yet and the 4 letters of God's name is YHWH according to classic original Hebrew.
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.February 27, 2012 at 10:37 pm#281233ProclaimerParticipantJust shows how you can make the numbers say anything you want Bod.
You ignore all the things that don't add up to your view, and take only the ones that do.
Of course every single person on Earth if they had the same zeal for numbers as Edj, could all prove different things with this method.
Therefore this system fails.
Not to say that gematria is all wrong. I think there could be a legit case for Latin, Hebrew and Greek, as unlike English, use letters to represent numbers. The fact that the number of the beast is 666 and Jesus is 888 and his titles as multiples of 8 is possibly out of the scope of coincidence. But taking English and the number of planets and coming up with some kind of pattern is nothing but irrelevant gibber.
Gematria used in a wrong way makes people think that all gematria is geriatrica. But if looked at fairly, then people might attempt to delve deeper to see if it is out of the realm of coincidence. Sometimes the best way to destroy something is to promote it in the most silly way so as to turn people off it.
February 27, 2012 at 10:51 pm#281242bodhithartaParticipantQuote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:37) Just shows how you can make the numbers say anything you want Bod. You ignore all the things that don't add up to your view, and take only the ones that do.
Of course every single person on Earth if they had the same zeal for numbers as Edj, could all prove different things with this method.
Therefore this system fails.
Not to say that gematria is all wrong. I think there could be a legit case for Latin, Hebrew and Greek, as unlike English, use letters to represent numbers. The fact that the number of the beast is 666 and Jesus is 888 and his titles as multiples of 8 is possibly out of the scope of coincidence. But taking English and the number of planets and coming up with some kind of pattern is nothing but irrelevant gibber.
Gematria used in a wrong way makes people think that all gematria is geriatrica. But if looked at fairly, then people might attempt to delve deeper to see if it is out of the realm of coincidence. Sometimes the best way to destroy something is to promote it in the most silly way so as to turn people off it.
I don't even have any problem with it as long as someone is just claiming it as interesting and not as proof of anything. I mean if Jesus=888 and someone says that is really special and incredible and then someone says that's really interesting because Muhammad=888 as well and then you mock and belittle that aspect it shows the selectivity and destroys all objective study of it.You can't say just because someone is not your religion or religious that there information is wrong or bad based upon that. When we count our change at the store it will be the same math for all of us.
All I ever asked ED to do was to be honest
February 28, 2012 at 1:02 am#281306ProclaimerParticipantPlease demonstrate how this adds to 888.
(Revelation 13: 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.)
Taken from Wikipedia.
A leading exponent of the Maometis interpretation was Charles Walmesley, the Roman Catholic bishop of Rama. He observed that the name Muhammad was spelled Maometis or Moametis by Euthymius Zygabenus and the Greek historians Zonaras and Cedrenus. Other proponents include Charles Montagu, Gilbert Genebrard, Francois Feuardent, and Rene Massuet. Maometis in Greek gematria totals 666:
MAOMETISTOTAL
4017040530010200666Here is the gematria for Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord =KURIOS=800 (Kappa=30 + Upsilon=400 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 100
Jesus=IESOUS=888 (Iota=10 + Eta=8 + Sigma=200 + Omicron=70 + Upsilon=400 + Sigma=200) 8 x 111
Christ=XRISTOS=1480 (Chi=600 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Sigma=200 + Tau=300 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 396
total=3168
February 28, 2012 at 1:40 am#281323bodhithartaParticipantQuote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,11:02) Please demonstrate how this adds to 888. (Revelation 13: 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.)
Taken from Wikipedia.
A leading exponent of the Maometis interpretation was Charles Walmesley, the Roman Catholic bishop of Rama. He observed that the name Muhammad was spelled Maometis or Moametis by Euthymius Zygabenus and the Greek historians Zonaras and Cedrenus. Other proponents include Charles Montagu, Gilbert Genebrard, Francois Feuardent, and Rene Massuet. Maometis in Greek gematria totals 666:
MAOMETISTOTAL
4017040530010200666Here is the gematria for Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord =KURIOS=800 (Kappa=30 + Upsilon=400 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 100
Jesus=IESOUS=888 (Iota=10 + Eta=8 + Sigma=200 + Omicron=70 + Upsilon=400 + Sigma=200) 8 x 111
Christ=XRISTOS=1480 (Chi=600 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Sigma=200 + Tau=300 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 396
total=3168
The main problem is you cannot just alter someones name his name is Muhammad not Maometis.Most of us may not have heard the word Maometis derived from Mahomet.
Muhammad is the name of the prophet t8 not Mahomet this was just propoganda again.
…………………..
We have to agree with the Orientalist W Montgomery Watt when he says:Of all the world's greatest men none has been so much maligned as Muhammad. It is easy to see how this has come about. For centuries Islam was the great enemy of Christendom, for Christendom was in direct contact with no other organized states comparable in power to the Muslims. The Byzantine empire, after losing its provinces in Syria and Egypt, was being attacked in Asia Minor, while Western Europe was threatened through Spain and Sicily. Even before the Crusades focused attention on the expulsion of the Sarcens from the Holy Land, medieval war-propaganda, free from the restraints of factuality was building up a conception of 'the great enemy'. At one point Muhammad was transformed into Mahound, the prince of darkness. By the eleventh century the idea about Islam and Muslims current in the crusading armies were such travesties that they had a bad effect on morale. The crusaders had been led to expect the worst of their enemies, and, when they found many chivalrous knights among them, they were filled with distrust for the authorities of their own religion.[2]
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
Now that I have informed you of the only actual valid spelling here is Muhammad
Now show me what calculator gave you 888 for Jesus and it will do the same for Muhammad
February 28, 2012 at 1:40 am#281324bodhithartaParticipantBy the way there are also no “Moslems” or “Koran” it is Muslim and Quran
February 28, 2012 at 1:54 am#281326bodhithartaParticipantQuote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,11:02) Please demonstrate how this adds to 888. (Revelation 13: 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.)
Taken from Wikipedia.
A leading exponent of the Maometis interpretation was Charles Walmesley, the Roman Catholic bishop of Rama. He observed that the name Muhammad was spelled Maometis or Moametis by Euthymius Zygabenus and the Greek historians Zonaras and Cedrenus. Other proponents include Charles Montagu, Gilbert Genebrard, Francois Feuardent, and Rene Massuet. Maometis in Greek gematria totals 666:
MAOMETISTOTAL
4017040530010200666Here is the gematria for Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord =KURIOS=800 (Kappa=30 + Upsilon=400 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 100
Jesus=IESOUS=888 (Iota=10 + Eta=8 + Sigma=200 + Omicron=70 + Upsilon=400 + Sigma=200) 8 x 111
Christ=XRISTOS=1480 (Chi=600 + Rho=100 + Iota=10 + Sigma=200 + Tau=300 + Omicron=70 + Sigma=200) 8 x 396
total=3168
By the way why would you be using greek numbers for Jesus?February 28, 2012 at 6:51 am#281416davidParticipantQuote The fact that the number of the beast is 666 and Jesus is 888 and his titles as multiples of 8 is possibly out of the scope of coincidence. People are bad at math and they are worse at estimating probabilities. If something only happens 1/1000 times and it happens to someone, they think: “a miracle.”
No, it's something that happens 1/1000 times.
And since we are all looking for patterns and meaning, when one of these 1/100,000 events come along, the human mind has great difficulty not assigning it meaning. It had such a small chance of happening. It must have meaning.
February 28, 2012 at 8:47 am#281432ProclaimerParticipantThe point is david, scripture encourages us to work out the number of the beast. It says that those who have understanding can work out the number of the beast. Note the words, “those with understanding”.
Thus there is something to this obviously, so shunning all evidence to this is not what the Book of Revelation is telling us to do is it.
Point in hand. If someone told you something and you checked it out and it was indeed the case, even if the chance was 1/2 it was still right. But you could always make the case that you had a 50% chance therefore you could have been wrong too. Except that it is scripture that is telling us and I thought that you had a respect for scripture, plus the chances are much smaller than 50%, so it only lends more to the credibility of what that scripture is telling us.
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