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- May 27, 2009 at 6:22 pm#131819KangarooJackParticipant
Quote (Stu @ May 26 2009,20:27) thethinker Quote It is better to make no testable claims than to make claims that are not testable.
If you make no testable claim then you have said something that no one can call you on if you are wrong. Can you see why that means you have said nothing of any value?Quote Evolution is based in interpretation. It is based in “evidence” that is not scientifically repeatable and therefore not testable.
I bet you were homeskooled by fundies. What other excuse could you have?Stuart
Is this your best reply?Btw, I was brought up in a non-Christian home and went to public school BEFORE the home schooling movement appeared. In fact, I probably graduated from high school while you were feeding on your mother's breasts.
I noticed that you did not outright deny that evolution is based in interpretation.
thinker
May 28, 2009 at 9:54 am#131852ProclaimerParticipantMay 28, 2009 at 10:22 am#131855StuParticipantQuote (thethinker @ May 28 2009,06:22) Quote (Stu @ May 26 2009,20:27) thethinker Quote It is better to make no testable claims than to make claims that are not testable.
If you make no testable claim then you have said something that no one can call you on if you are wrong. Can you see why that means you have said nothing of any value?Quote Evolution is based in interpretation. It is based in “evidence” that is not scientifically repeatable and therefore not testable.
I bet you were homeskooled by fundies. What other excuse could you have?Stuart
Is this your best reply?Btw, I was brought up in a non-Christian home and went to public school BEFORE the home schooling movement appeared. In fact, I probably graduated from high school while you were feeding on your mother's breasts.
I noticed that you did not outright deny that evolution is based in interpretation.
thinker
You have no idea what evolution by natural selection is, so how would your opinion about it have any validity?If you were really interested in the answer to your fatuous question you would look it up for yourself. I have some memory that I have already answered it in one of the evolution threads here. It would be constructive if you could through those threads that and get up to speed in order to prevent the biologically ignorant history of Heavennet repeating itself.
Stuart
May 28, 2009 at 10:25 am#131856StuParticipant…Insert 'read' and and delete 'that' from that last post…
It's always the four-letter words that get us into trouble.
Stuart
May 28, 2009 at 2:31 pm#131869TimothyVIParticipantQuote (Stu @ May 28 2009,22:25) …Insert 'read' and and delete 'that' from that last post… It's always the four-letter words that get us into trouble.
Stuart
insert 'read' before the word 'through' and delete 'that' from the last post.Now it is clear.
Hi Stu.
Tim
May 28, 2009 at 7:58 pm#131884StuParticipantQuote (TimothyVI @ May 29 2009,02:31) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2009,22:25) …Insert 'read' and and delete 'that' from that last post… It's always the four-letter words that get us into trouble.
Stuart
insert 'read' before the word 'through' and delete 'that' from the last post.Now it is clear.
Hi Stu.
Tim
Hi TimYou should try your hand at exegesis.
Stuart
June 1, 2009 at 12:37 pm#132110Tim KraftParticipantStuart: You are wise and searching. You will find your Truth! I just want to say that the pull that you feel within to discredit the Truth or to find the Truth is the Spirit of God in you wanting mental re-connection. When you find God he lives within all humans. The re-born person is just busy finding out who he really is. We are all ONE living plasma in different forms at different times moving through evolution and creation into unlimited life. Every aspect of life is entangled together at 0-point energy! At 0-point energy even an observer attempting to analyze energy causes the energy to reform, move, and create.Your mind is dictating the circumstances of you life right now! Always has always will. We are conscious individuals but consciousness is ineffective without awareness. I believe we came to Earth to create ourselves physically (by chosen thoughts and beliefs) and if we can dispel all the religious garbage(darkness covering Truth)that we have garnered over time we will find the Light/Truth/God! God bless all, TK
June 1, 2009 at 6:24 pm#132137StuParticipantTK
Quote I just want to say that the pull that you feel within to discredit the Truth or to find the Truth is the Spirit of God in you wanting mental re-connection.
How did you work that one out? Or does it come in the form of a scriptural platitude to deploy on such occasions?Quote When you find God he lives within all humans.
Erghhh.Quote The re-born person is just busy finding out who he really is.
I know, christians do seem to have more adolescent existential bewilderment than others. No one has been able to explain why I should insult my parents by getting reborn. There was nothing wrong the first time. Still I suppose Jesus allegedly told his followers to hate their families.Quote We are all ONE living plasma in different forms at different times moving through evolution and creation into unlimited life. Every aspect of life is entangled together at 0-point energy!
Is this some kind of quantum gaia concept?Quote At 0-point energy even an observer attempting to analyze energy causes the energy to reform, move, and create.Your mind is dictating the circumstances of you life right now! Always has always will. We are conscious individuals but consciousness is ineffective without awareness.
Is this the energy that conforms to W=Fd or E=mc2? Or is it the new age concept that has absolutely no meaning whatever?Quote I believe we came to Earth to create ourselves physically (by chosen thoughts and beliefs) and if we can dispel all the religious garbage(darkness covering Truth)that we have garnered over time we will find the Light/Truth/God!
Good grief! You want others to drop their religious ‘rubbish’ for this even greater nonsense?!What single, universally useful outcome has ever arisen from this quantum gaia/not really energy/Truth without epistemology/god philosophy you are spinning?
Stuart
June 3, 2009 at 10:18 pm#132347Tim KraftParticipantStuart: Being born again has nothing to do with the physical body. Born again is re-creating your mind from the old way of Temple worship,& old covenant beliefs to the new Truth of God. John baptized with water as a picture of cleansing the old thoughts and beliefs from the mind and taking on the greater Baptism, New Truth, Spirit/words of God. Being emersed or washed in the Spirit words of God from Jesus is the new birth or being born again to a new life in Christ. Each individual that reads and believes is changed and transformed into a new man. Each individual is the Temple of God and Priest of that Temple. Each person is the Church which is his body and Pastor of his own church. The Law was fulfilled. The Prophecies fulfilled. The end of the previous world order of God. The end of the world order came with the eternal Spirit words of Jesus. The sacrifices complete. The way it was in the beginning, God in his fulness, dwelling in mankind, his Temple. No religious rituals or doctrines of any kind, just one in one together. Peace to you, TK
June 4, 2009 at 9:26 am#132409StuParticipantTK I cannot find a single answer in all that ritualistic nonsense to the question about how it has been of any universal benefit. Perhaps that was not your goal, but I stand by the point. As a fantasy story it is pretty ordinary. As a model for living a life I think it is for those with no imagination or respect for their fellow humans.
Saul of Tarsus smiles at your complete lack of questioning as you join him in this objectionable delusion. Like any puffing dictator he likes the way you have given up on critical thinking.
Stuart
June 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm#132722Tim KraftParticipantStu: I suck at getting the point across to someone when I write. I'll try to be brief and to the point of answering your question of…what universal benefit was I writing about?
Jesus came to show mankind the Truth of God. Where he is, what he requires,who we are and what we should do. To establish his authority to teach these truthes this he did many miracles and healings for the people and finallly came back from death and showed himself to over 500 people. Here's what he said, all metaphorically applied in parabolic form: Luke:17:21…The Kingdom of God is within each person. The Temple or place to worship is within each person. The Church which is his body is within each person. The anointing power of God, the Christ (Christos') dwells within each person. For whosoever will believe these Truths shall walk in the same power and authority as Jesus. He is our brother the firstborn of many. This is the universal benefit for any or all that will believe. Yet it all starts within each person as a mustard seed that must grow into maturity. There is much more but you probably don't care to hear. Thanks for reading, “Namaste”….(the God in me gives honor to the God in you…) TKJune 8, 2009 at 8:39 am#132812StuParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ June 08 2009,00:42) Stu: I suck at getting the point across to someone when I write. I'll try to be brief and to the point of answering your question of…what universal benefit was I writing about?
Jesus came to show mankind the Truth of God. Where he is, what he requires,who we are and what we should do. To establish his authority to teach these truthes this he did many miracles and healings for the people and finallly came back from death and showed himself to over 500 people. Here's what he said, all metaphorically applied in parabolic form: Luke:17:21…The Kingdom of God is within each person. The Temple or place to worship is within each person. The Church which is his body is within each person. The anointing power of God, the Christ (Christos') dwells within each person. For whosoever will believe these Truths shall walk in the same power and authority as Jesus. He is our brother the firstborn of many. This is the universal benefit for any or all that will believe. Yet it all starts within each person as a mustard seed that must grow into maturity. There is much more but you probably don't care to hear. Thanks for reading, “Namaste”….(the God in me gives honor to the God in you…) TK
Sorry but I can see no universal benefit in there. Where is there a truth that will make a meaningful difference to a Hindu or Inuit?Stuart
June 8, 2009 at 1:14 pm#132820Tim KraftParticipantStu: What I believe I have found in my quest for God, is that if you take all the religions of the world and all the man created doctrines and teachings, which are the reason there are so many facets of religion, out of the minds of everyone, then they could see clearly the Truth. Every human being born in this Earth realm is a child of God and has all the power and capabilities of God. God is your mind or you have the mind of Christ. Spirit is one, many facets of one whole Spirit. Our minds have been clogged up with incorrect thinking.Now, I am refering to minds searching for God. Many are just living this life on earth and not searching for God, and thats fine. Jesus was only trying to show a better way to live this life, more abundantly. Sorry, Im rambling again. Here it is, I believe that our creator has gone to great lengths to show us who and what we really are. We are all sons of God and have the power of the universe at our beckon call! We just don't understand it, and we don't believe it. Thats the universal benefit I see. It is inclusive. It is for everybody. It is for whosoever will believe! Thanks for your time, TK
June 9, 2009 at 8:49 am#132963StuParticipantTK
Quote What I believe I have found in my quest for God, is that if you take all the religions of the world and all the man created doctrines and teachings, which are the reason there are so many facets of religion, out of the minds of everyone, then they could see clearly the Truth.
OK, sounds promising, although I consider anyone promising Truth with an uppercase T to be highly suspect.Quote Every human being born in this Earth realm is a child of God and has all the power and capabilities of God.
I thought you were taking all the man-created doctrines and teachings out. You have already left two in.Quote God is your mind or you have the mind of Christ.
There is another one.Quote Spirit is one, many facets of one whole Spirit.
And another.Quote Our minds have been clogged up with incorrect thinking.
Boy are you right about that!Quote Now, I am refering to minds searching for God. Many are just living this life on earth and not searching for God, and thats fine. Jesus was only trying to show a better way to live this life, more abundantly. Sorry, Im rambling again. Here it is, I believe that our creator has gone to great lengths to show us who and what we really are.
There’s another.Quote We are all sons of God
And another.Quote and have the power of the universe at our beckon call!
Yet another.Quote We just don't understand it, and we don't believe it. Thats the universal benefit I see. It is inclusive. It is for everybody. It is for whosoever will believe!
So you are willing to allow people to join you in your man-made doctrines, just as long as they do not bring their own man-made doctrines.Just paraphrase for me, what is the universal benefit your belief offers the Hindu or the Inuit? Is it that we are all sons of your god and have the power of the universe at out “beckon” call? How do these things benefit our non-christian friends?
Stuart
June 9, 2009 at 1:32 pm#132974Tim KraftParticipantQuote (Stu @ June 09 2009,20:49) TK Quote What I believe I have found in my quest for God, is that if you take all the religions of the world and all the man created doctrines and teachings, which are the reason there are so many facets of religion, out of the minds of everyone, then they could see clearly the Truth.
OK, sounds promising, although I consider anyone promising Truth with an uppercase T to be highly suspect.Quote Every human being born in this Earth realm is a child of God and has all the power and capabilities of God.
I thought you were taking all the man-created doctrines and teachings out. You have already left two in.Quote God is your mind or you have the mind of Christ.
There is another one.Quote Spirit is one, many facets of one whole Spirit.
And another.Quote Our minds have been clogged up with incorrect thinking.
Boy are you right about that!Quote Now, I am refering to minds searching for God. Many are just living this life on earth and not searching for God, and thats fine. Jesus was only trying to show a better way to live this life, more abundantly. Sorry, Im rambling again. Here it is, I believe that our creator has gone to great lengths to show us who and what we really are.
There’s another.Quote We are all sons of God
And another.Quote and have the power of the universe at our beckon call!
Yet another.Quote We just don't understand it, and we don't believe it. Thats the universal benefit I see. It is inclusive. It is for everybody. It is for whosoever will believe!
So you are willing to allow people to join you in your man-made doctrines, just as long as they do not bring their own man-made doctrines.Just paraphrase for me, what is the universal benefit your belief offers the Hindu or the Inuit? Is it that we are all sons of your god and have the power of the universe at out “beckon” call? How do these things benefit our non-christian friends?
Stuart
Stu: When I use an uppercase T for Truth it is in reference to Gods unchangeable Truth. There is a truth in this world owned by each indifidual. However they have chosen to believe in this world is how and what they believe about this life. For me there is Heaven/God/Spirit and Earth with its physical laws and spiritual laws. Jesus taught us where God is and what he requires. Not how to live your own life on earth. Hey, if my typing, grammar and spelling are evidence of my Truth in God I am doomed!
When I refer to mans doctrines I am refering to the religious world both of the old testament and now. Other than man just walking with and communing God as it was in the Garden everything else was man created doctrine, rituals,sacrifices, just religion in general. They were lost in that sin. Sin is error of thought. Wrong thinking. Once again I am referring to beliefs about mans relationship with God. The sin of man made rules and regulations that were not ordained by God and were harsh and hard on Gods children. Then and now they guide the people and profit from their ignorance. The God I serve demands nothing but my belief in his goodness.
I believe Spirit is all that was,is,or ever will be. Call Spirit energy if you wish it is in the beginning. Mind of Christ would be a mind full of the annointing (christos') power of God.
The Ocean is One. Trillions of drops of Ocean. All the same make up.One Ocean. So there is ONE Spirit that all came from.The Soul houses the mind and Spirit and lives inside each human body. The Soul,Mind & Spirit will create its own journey of creation,and evolution as it chooses inormation and formulates its beliefs.
Finally, christian is a man made term so let me say believers and non-believers. Believers will attract higher frequency thought patterns and continue grow and learn and create in this world and others eternally. Non-believers may take a few billion more lifetimes but all will return to awareness of their source.
That should be enough for you to make fun of for a while. One problem is people are not able to believe higher levels of understanding of God while sitting in the darkness of churches. Bless you, TKJune 10, 2009 at 7:41 am#133082StuParticipantTK
Quote When I use an uppercase T for Truth it is in reference to Gods unchangeable Truth. There is a truth in this world owned by each indifidual. However they have chosen to believe in this world is how and what they believe about this life. For me there is Heaven/God/Spirit and Earth with its physical laws and spiritual laws. Jesus taught us where God is and what he requires. Not how to live your own life on earth. When I refer to mans doctrines I am refering to the religious world both of the old testament and now.
Agreed. However gods are human inventions. You agree with me on that to the extent of about 99.99%. I am consistent in my belief, you make one exception based on nothing more than your assertion of it.Quote Other than man just walking with and communing God as it was in the Garden everything else was man created doctrine, rituals,sacrifices, just religion in general. They were lost in that sin. Sin is error of thought. Wrong thinking. Once again I am referring to beliefs about mans relationship with God.
Your relationship with your god is non-existent outside your own brain. That is why it is a human doctrine.Quote The sin of man made rules and regulations that were not ordained by God and were harsh and hard on Gods children.
Is that why your god killed, by his own admission, up to 32,000,000 of our fellow humans?Quote Then and now they guide the people and profit from their ignorance. The God I serve demands nothing but my belief in his goodness.
Just like the dictator of North Korea.Quote I believe Spirit is all that was,is,or ever will be. Call Spirit energy if you wish it is in the beginning.
Here we go again. Quantum gaia theory.Quote Mind of Christ would be a mind full of the annointing (christos') power of God.
Zzzzzz. Sorry but I find that Judeo-christian doctrine is about as dull as fiction gets. Possibly the koran is more mind-numbing but it is a close thing.Quote The Ocean is One. Trillions of drops of Ocean. All the same make up.One Ocean.
So why is there a Pacific Ocean and an Atlantic Ocean and a Southern Ocean, to name three?Quote So there is ONE Spirit that all came from.The Soul houses the mind and Spirit and lives inside each human body. The Soul,Mind & Spirit will create its own journey of creation,and evolution as it chooses inormation and formulates its beliefs.
In that paragraph you have said EXACTLY nothing at all. You have not defined any aspect of the human condition or facts about how the universe works.Quote Finally, christian is a man made term so let me say believers and non-believers.
That is the terminology that Heavennet uses, but it is flawed because I believe things as much as any christian does. It is just that I can give a reasoned argument based on fewer assumptions.Quote Believers will attract higher frequency thought patterns and continue grow and learn and create in this world and others eternally. Non-believers may take a few billion more lifetimes but all will return to awareness of their source.
What?? Don’t tell me, quantum gaia.Quote That should be enough for you to make fun of for a while. One problem is people are not able to believe higher levels of understanding of God while sitting in the darkness of churches.
Lucky you for having found True ChristianityTM. What a load of ignorant churchgoers. They should ask you what god wants for them.Stuart
June 10, 2009 at 12:40 pm#133101Tim KraftParticipantStu: Why should they ask me, you have all the answers. How many book have you written? I think the world needs your knowledge and understanding of the seen and the un-seen. I have a book, (only on email) or many excerps of the book I would send email but I don't know if they allow me to put my address on this site. Even if you gufaw at the content, laughter is good for you. Have a good day, TK
June 10, 2009 at 7:33 pm#133128StuParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ June 11 2009,00:40) Stu: Why should they ask me, you have all the answers. How many book have you written? I think the world needs your knowledge and understanding of the seen and the un-seen. I have a book, (only on email) or many excerps of the book I would send email but I don't know if they allow me to put my address on this site. Even if you gufaw at the content, laughter is good for you. Have a good day, TK
This is my 3152th post here. That must count as a book!How much of that writing have you read?
Stuart
June 12, 2009 at 11:21 am#133302ProclaimerParticipantQuote (Stu @ June 04 2009,21:26) Saul of Tarsus smiles at your complete lack of questioning as you join him in this objectionable delusion. Like any puffing dictator he likes the way you have given up on critical thinking.
Likewise, Darwin who has since crossed over would probably wonder at his following and how many disciples he has gained. I wonder if you could hear him now what he would say if he could speak to you?Why are you following me? Did you find all those missing links I mentioned? At least people questioned my theory, now you blindly accept it as if I was a prophet from God. Worse part is that there is no proof of course.
What about the rest of the dead? If you could hear from those who have experienced passing from this world, what might they say to you if they could speak to you?
Perhaps it would be Duh! Why have you thrown away your brain and common sense. All logic and pattern can never the result of nothing. How did people get to be so silly? All that technology and you have not one ounce of common sense.
Truly Stu, scripture has spoken about this time of unbelief.
“Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
The context here is about how men knew God, they didn't glorify him as God nor gave thanks to him. Their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. It is not too hard to see the next level after that, it is called unbelief which is a natural progression from here.
You see, if men have understanding and ignore it, then they will foolishly replace that understanding with fables, and in doing so will lose that understanding that was imparted to them to begin with.
“The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;”
June 12, 2009 at 11:24 am#133303ProclaimerParticipantQuote (Stu @ June 11 2009,07:33) This is my 3152th post here. That must count as a book! How much of that writing have you read?
Stuart
Stu loves to talk to believers. He says that they are boring and lack in imagination, yet he has made 3152 attempts at communication. Funny thing that. Sort of makes you think that he says one thing and thinks another.Come on admit it. You like to talk to us. It's okay. You are allowed to.
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