3 Angels Messages; Dan/Rev; AntiChrist

Let us consider this whole 'spirit creature' [an immortalized incorporeal essence, without flesh, incorporeality, unreality] concept, as there is no such thing scripturally, only does it exist in the theology of the purest paganism, even platonism, dualism, etc.  It is a spin off of the Roman theology.  Please allow me to demonstrate in several ways.

And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:26

God himself has Form, even as Jesus, God the Son before becoming man, and clothing His Divinity with Humanity, even as He stood within the burning Bush, blazing Deity, in the form of lowliness, in the humble shrub [Exodus 3]:

Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: Genesis 18:4

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Genesis 32:30

And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. Judges 13:22

As was cited in the other thread [ https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=10 ], God Himself, Jesus, came down multiple times and was clearly seen.  But here is what the wicked will say:

And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee. Exodus 4:1

And they saw the God of Israel: and [there was] under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in [his] clearness. Exodus 24:10

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. Exodus 33:23

He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness [was] under his feet. 2 Samuel 22:10

He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness [was] under his feet. Psalms 18:9

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. Zechairah 4:14

Even God the Father was paritally seen in Vision:

I beheld till the thrones were cast down [set in place], and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire. Daniel 7:9

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. Daniel 7:13

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Revelation 5:1

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Revelation 5:7

That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10:18

Christ Jesus was forever given unto us, He is forever in the “form” of man [Isaiah 9:6; John 3:16], not on loan, not temporary, He is Emmanuel, even “God with us” forever.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:6

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Daniel 3:25

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son: Colossians 1:13

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Colossians 1:15

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:4

So likewise as Jesus from eternity was in the “form of God”, he later took upon Himself the seed of Abraham, even the “form of a servant”, “made in the likeness of men”.  For mankind is even made “in the image of God”, and this means so much more than mere 'spiritual' [heart/mind]:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 1:26

So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Genesis 9:6

For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 1 Corinthians 11:7

[Jesus first ascension, He does not allow anyone to touch Him, to defile Him] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God. John 20:17

[He then comes back the same day, and allows Himself to be touched and handled] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39

And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet. Luke 24:40

And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? Luke 24:41

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. Luke 24:42

And he took [it], and did eat before them. Luke 24:43

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Luke 24:46

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. John 2:19

But he spake of the temple of his body. John 2:21

Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you. John 20:19

And when he had so said, he shewed unto them [his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. John 20:20

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; John 1:1

The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. John 20:25

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you. JOhn 20:26

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, a
nd thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. John 20:27

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.  John 20:28

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. John 20:29

And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: John 20:30

But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus. John 21:4

Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No. John 21:5

And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes. John 21:6

Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt [his] fisher's coat [unto him], (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea. John 21:7

And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes. John 21:8

As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. John 21:9

Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught. John 21:10

Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken. John 21:11

Jesus saith unto them, Come [and] dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. John 21:12

Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise. John 21:13

This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. John 21:14

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21:25

Jesus even appears to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus, and they did not recognize Him, being Resurrected, no longer emaciated, bleeding, but in His glorified body:

Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. Luke 24:34

And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. Luke 24:35

And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you. Luke 24:36

Anyone which denies the Bodily reusrrection of Jesus Christ, for He having seen no corruption, is verily denying the resurrection itself, and the very promises of God for us, please consider what it means to say that we will not have a bodily and immortal resurrection.  it is very dangerous theology, and think about why, what does it do to Heaven?  What does it do to the Throne of God?  What does it do to His Temple in Heaven?  What does it do to the very Ark of His Testament in Heaven?  What does it do the very Real Law of God therein?  What does it do to the Tree of Life in Heaven, and the River of Water of Life there?  What does it do to your Heavenly reward?  It makes it into nothing but smoke and gases, figments of the imagination, ghostial non-things, empty essences, void of any substance or reality, fables and dreams of airy nothings.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [grave]; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Psalms 16:10

That he should still live for ever, [and] not see corruption. Psalms 49:9

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [grave], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell [grave], neither his flesh did see corruption. Acts 2:31

Mankind is a living soul.  Dust of the earth plus the breath of the life of God, see Genesis 2:7 for the very definition.  We can look at far more as well.

And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, [now] no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Acts 13:34

Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 13:35

But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. Acts 13:37

Even as the Pot of Manna that was laid up before the Ark, representing Jesus Uncorrupted Body… see Exodus 16.

Mankind will be like Jesus and the Angels in the Resurrection, having both immortal flesh and bones, forever, real undying and glorified bodies:

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:30

Notice that “are as” part, signifying even now what the angels already are.

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. Mark 12:25

But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Luke 20:35

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Luke 20:36

Notice, Christ Jesus speaks of yet another world [“that world”], the future world, the new Heavens and the new Earth we are to inherit, not this sin polluted one, ever [for His kingdom is “not of this world”].  Even as Abraham, never inherited anything of his portion, but was awaiting the future one to come, for here it is clear he awaiting for “no continuing city” here, but an “heavenly” one to come.

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Romans 8:4

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:49

And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:26

Even Angels have flesh, just not human flesh, not human blood, for all flesh is not the same flesh, as they are a different “kind” of creature from us, though similar, even as a Dog is a different “Kind” than a Cat:

And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Genesis 19:2

Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. Isaiah 6:2

And their feet [were] straight feet; and the sole of their feet [was] like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. Ezekiel 1:7

The Angels are not “incorporeal” though they are normally “invisible” and are called [good] “ministering spirits” [Psalms 104:4; Hebrews 1:7,14] and [fallen/wicked] “evil spirits” [Luke 7:21, 8:2; Acts 19:12-13] and “unclean spirits” [Matthew 10:1; Mark 1:27, 3:11, 5:13, 6:7; Luke 4:36, 6:18; Acts 5:16, 8:7; Revelation 16:13] of which we are said to “…wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principali
ties, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].” [Ephesians 6:12;p].

Those texts are true and correct, as the Angels themsleves do not have the “flesh and blood” of men, and are themselves not human, but rather “celestial bodies” [1 Corinthians 15:40], they are far older than mankind and of adiffering kind, though somewhat in the shape of men, that is an “heavenly” [Hebrews 11:16; 1 Corinthians 15:48-49], while we currently have “bodies terrestrial” [1 Corinthians 15:40], and “of the earth, earthy” [1 Corinthians 15:57].

“But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.” [1 Corinthians 15:38]

“All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.” [1 Corinthians 15:39]

“[There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.” [1 Corinthians 15:40]

The Angels [from Genesis to Revelation, some passages will also include attributes witnessed of God in scripture, and some are symbolical, please be patient as more texts may be included and some may be removed due to the nature of the subject, this is a work in progress] are always depicted as having the:

“similitude of the sons of men” [Daniel 10:16],

“the likeness of a man” [Daniel 10:16],

“like the appearance of a man” [Daniel 10:18],

looking like “men” [Genesis 18:2],

having that like the “hands of a man” [Ezekiel 1:8, 10:21],

a “hand” [Ezekiel 2:9; Daniel 10:10],

“fingers of a man's hand” [Daniel 5:5],

“bear thee up in [their] hands” [Psalms 91:12] or “hands they shall bear thee up” [Matthew 4:6],

“touched” [Daniel 8:18, 9:21],

“the face of a man” [Ezekiel 1:10, 10:14, 41:19],

“fell…on their faces” [Revelation 7:11],

“countenance was like lightning” [Matthew 28:3],

“their appearance [was] like burning coals of fire, [and] like the appearance of lamps” [Ezekiel 1:13],

“young man” [Mark 16:5],

and human men are “made … a little lower than the angels” [Psalms 8:5],

“bodies” [Ezekiel 1:11,23; 1 Corinthians 15:40],

“feet” [and legs] [Genesis 18:4, 19:2; Exodus 24:10; 2 Samuel 22:10; Psalms 18:9; Isaiah 6:2; Lamentations 3:34; Ezekiel 1:7; Daniel 10:6; Habakkuk 3:5; Zechariah 14:4; Revelation 1:5, 2:18, 10:1, 19:10, 22:8],

“sole of their feet” [Ezekiel 1:7],

“eyes” [Deuteronomy 11:12, 13:18; 2 Chronicles 16:9; Job 34:21; Psalms 11:4; Ezekiel 1:18, 10:12; Daniel 10:6; Hebrews 4:13; Revelation 1:14, 2:18, 4:6,8, 5:6, 19:12],

“do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven” [Matthew 18:10],

“breasts” [ie, upper chest/torso] [Revelation 15:6],

“voices” [Revelation 4:5, 8:5, 10:3-4, 11:15,19, 16:18],

“the voice of many angels round about the throne” [Revelation 5:11],

“sang together” [Job 38:7],

“shouted for joy” [Job 38:7],

that “talked” [Zechariah 5:5],

able to “Hail” [Luke 1:28],

and have “wings” [Exodus 25:20, 37:9; 2 Samuel 22:11; 1 Kings 6:27, 8:6-7; 1 Chronicles 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:11,13, 5:7-8; Psalms 18:10, 104:3; Isaiah 6:2; Ezekiel 1:6,8-9,11,23-25,  3:13, 10:8,12,16,19,21, 11:22; Revelation 4:8],

“fly swiftly” [Daniel 9:21],

and being able to carry a “sword” [Genesis 3:24; Numbers 22:31; Joshua 5:13; 1 Chronicles 21:16],

or having “a slaughter weapon in his hand” [Ezekiel 9:2],

able to “smote” [2 Kings 19:35],

and “cut off” [2 Chronicles 32:21],

and “fought” [Revelation 12:7],

make “war” [Revelation 12:7, see also 2 Kings 6:16-17],

“encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them” [Psalms 34:7],

“an hedge” [Job 1:10],

they are strong, “that excel in strength” [Psalms 103:20],

“strengthening” [Luke 22:43],

able to do, “that do his commandments” [Psalms 103:20],

listening, “hearkening unto the voice of his word” [Psalms 103:20],

or carrying a “writer's ink horn by his side” [Ezekiel 9:2],

have “food” [Psalms 78:25],

can be “entertained” [Hebrews 13:2],

and “harps” [Revelation 5:8],

“live coal” [Isaiah 6:6],

“tongs” [Isaiah 6:6],

“vials” [Revelation 5:8, 15:7, 16:1, 17:1, 21:9],

“golden censer” [Revelation 8:3],

“golden reed” [Revelation 21:5],

wearing “golden girdles” [Revelation 15:6],

having “incense” [Revelation 8:3],

“trumpet” [Exodus 19:13,16,19, 20:18; Psalms 47:5, 150:3; Zechariah 9:14; Matthew 24:31; 1 Corinthians 15:52; Hebrews 12:19; Revelation 8:2,6,13, 9:14 [consider also in the context of JESUS voice; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 1:10, 4:1]],

“sickle” [Revelation 14:14-19],

and even a “book” [scroll] [Exodus 32:32-33; Psalms 69:28, 139:16; Ezekiel 2:9; Daniel 12:1; Malachi 3:16; Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5, 5:1-5, 7-9, 10:2,8-10, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12,15, 21:27],

and are able to “speak” [“said”] [Ezekiel 2:1; Acts 5:19-20] [devils/angels throughout, examples; Genesis 18 and 19; Matthew 4:1-11, 8:29; Mark 3:11; Luke 4:1-13, etc.],

devils and Satan”speaketh a lie”  [John 8:44],

“tongues…of angels” [1 Corinthians 13:31],

Paul having heard “unspeakable words” [2 Corinthians 12:4],

“sat” [Judges 6:11; Matthew 28:2],

and are found  “sitting” [John 20:12],

being able to “stand” [1 Chronicles 21:16; Luke 1:19; Revelation 10:5],

and “stood” [Ezekiel 9:2; Acts 1:10],

and “all the angels stood round about the throne” [Revelation 7:11],

seen “standing” [Numbers 22:31],

able to “touched” [1 Kings 19:5,7],

held “the staff that [was] in his hand” [Judges 6:21],

“ministers” [Psalms 103:21],

“minister[ed]” [Matthew 4:11; Hebrews 1:14, 8:2],

found “ministering” [Psalms 104:4; Hebrews 1:7],

“clothed with linen” [Ezekiel 9:2,3,11, 10:2,6,7; Daniel 10:5],

“stood by them in white apparel” [Acts 1:10],

“clothed in a long white garment” [Mark 16:5],

“clothed in white raiment” [Revelation 4:4],

“in white sitting” [John 20:12],

the “four and twenty elders” having “on their heads crowns of gold” [Revelation 4:4],

or even “clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles” [Revelation 15:6],

and they “worship” [Exodus 34:14; Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8; John 4:24; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 4:10, 19:10],

being able to both bow, kneel and fall before the LORD, “fell before the Throne on their faces, and worhsipped GOD” [Revelation 7:11],

“present themselves before the Lord” [Job 1:6, 2:1],

being able to “Bless the LORD” [Psalms 103:20-22],

“praise” [Psalms 148:2],

and even pray and cry aloud with their mouths, “HOLY, HOLY, HOLY” [Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8].

God created the Angels as glorious beings, and they do have bodies, as Paul would say, “Celestial bodies”, for “God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him”.  Just as Jesus now eternally has a “Glorious Body” [Philippians 3:21] of a man.

Look at Revelation [the revealing] of Jesus Christ, and His form:

“And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.” [Revelation 1:13]

“His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;” [Revelation 1:14]

“And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.” [Revelation 1:15]

“And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.” [Re
velation 1:16]

“These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;” [Revelation 2:1]

“These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;” [Revelation 2:18]

And so Christians are to have bodies even as He [except for the wounds of His which will remain throughout all eternity], in their resurrection:

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.” [1 Corinthians 15:20]

“But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.” [1 Corinthians 15:23]

Thus the “Third Heaven”, is the place where God Himself dwells among the “cherubim and seraphim”, “elders” and “creatures”, in the ETERNAL CITY OF GOD, “a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God.” and the “everlasting doors” [Psalms 24], those gates were “lifted up” at the Triumphal entry of Jesus Christ [the “King of GLORY”, the LORD of Hosts] when He ascended “up” to that “place” which He has gone to “prepare” for us.

Jesus Christ did not fade into the 'aether'.  He went to a real, place, called Heaven [3rd].  He is coming again to take us back to that place and to that real City of Heaven, “New Jerusalem”.  This real city is described with all manner of Jewels, having “foundations”, precious stones, pearls, waters, trees, fruits, beings, gates, etc.  Real and Tangible.

The “doctrine” and even “deeds” of the “Nicolaitans”, which God “hates” [Revelation 2:6,15], discards all of that, and turns it into a lie, by spiritualizing it all away into phantoms, aether, a figment of dreams, surreal mists and separating what one does in this life with an aetheral life afterward, a shedding of the 'flesh'; a dangerous and platonic philosophy.

However, Paul says that we are not looking to be “unclothed” [2 Corinthians 5:4], but rather, “earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven” [2 Corinthians 5:2] and “so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.” [2 Corinthians 5:3] and “clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.” [2 Corinthians 5:4]

We are instead going to wear “Crown of Life” which Christ Jesus will give to us, and He Himself wears many crowns.  We are going to wear “white raiment” and be given “harps” and “palms”, etc.  We will be able to Eat and Drink from the Tree and River of Life…

All of that takes place in Heaven, and then after the 1000 years, back to earth [3rd Advent] for more events, and finally a New Heaven and a New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness.

“It is shocking how many weak and twisted concepts of heaven people have accepted. Most folks think of it as some far off ethereal place—and that is about all the average man knows about heaven. He believes it is “up there” somewhere. Yes, it is “up there,” and we can agree with him that far …” [Heaven Is It For Real? – Joe Crews; page 8] – http://www.amazingfacts.org/free-st….r-real?

So, what does it mean to speak of Heaven?  For shall we not understand it as a very real and tangible place?  Afterall, did not Jesus say, “In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” John 14:2 and “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.” John 14:3

So, that we know that Heaven is a very real “place”, that Jesus said, “I go” to, and after His resurrection and 40 days with various disciples [Acts 1:3], then seen standing upon the Mount of Olives [Acts 1:12], then being “taken up” [Acts 1:2,9], “ascend[ed]” [Psalms 68:18; John 6:62; Ephesians 4:8-10] for the second time, as our Great High Priest [Exodus 19:20-25; Psalms 24; John 20:17-31], and “went up” [Acts 1:10] to there, so that He may indeed “prepare a place” for us, and stand as our great “Mediator” [Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 8:6, 9:15, 12:24] and “Advocate” [1 John 2:1].

Jesus, as the “bridegroom” [Isaiah 62:5; Matthew 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mark 2:20; Luke 5:34-35; John 2, 3:29], has gone to “prepare a place” for His “bride” [Jeremiah 2:32; Joel 2:16; Revelation 21:2,9, 22:17].

It is because there is a great deception and distortion about the reality of Heaven, the very “Paradise” of God, Heaven, and the “reward”!

Where is the rel and true “Tree of Life”?

It is in Heaven.

What is upon it?

“Fruit” and “Leaves”. [Revelation 22:2]

Where is the “Pure River of Water of Life”?

It is in Heaven. [Revelation 22:1]

Did you not know that the Garden of Eden on Earth in Genesis 2, was not created that day, but was “planted” [Genesis 2:8] there from the original one in Heaven, even after the seed of Heaven, after its Kind [Genesis 2:9]!  Even Lucifer was at one point the “covering cherub” [Ezekiel 28:14] which was in that Heavenly Garden of Eden [Ezekiel 28:13], the very Paradise of God [Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7], where His Throne is.

There is even the “Temple of GOD”, that “True Tabernacle which the LORD pitched and not man” [Hebrews 8:2] and the “ARK of HIS Testament” in Heaven. [Revelation 11:19]  Therefore His Ten Commandments, His very Eternal Law, could never be abolished, neither cast away.  The original is in Heaven Itself, even as God, Jesus, spake the original words from Heaven.  They are not earthly.

The Angels minister there and Jesus Christ, “our great High Priest”, minsters there in the MOST HOLY before the Father…

Heaven [“third heaven” [2 Corinthians 12:2]] is a real place, as real as Mt. Horeb/Sinai on earth.

Most of modern Christianity and the world has greatly been led into the deception of satan on this very important subject and thus have allowed it to be “spiritualized” away.  The very Truth of the matter is being slowly forgotten and erased because many have and are even now allowing satan to interweave deception into theology … and so they have allowed him to have phantomized it … incorporealized it … turned it into fables … and thus stealing away the reality of the reward…

We shall eat from that Tree of Life and drink from that pure river of water of Life…  

The Angels are not “incorporeal” phantoms and Satan is a very, very real and tangible being, but that means so is Heaven very real and tangible!

Jesus, Himself said, “In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” [John 14:2]

Did not Jesus “ascend”?  Where did He go to?  A very real place, even as Psalms 24 reveals, so real, having even eternal gates, and very real foundations…

“And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.” [John 14:3]

Do you believe Him?  Have faith in what He says and in His Words, and cease from holding onto the lies that satan would have you to keep.  Lies that steal away your very real reward, your very real “crown of life”!

Lucifer/[now satan], that Liar, was the very “anointed cherub that coverth” [Ezekiel 28:14] and stood d
irectly by the very Throne of GOD in Heaven [just as the imitation ones, being patterned after the heavenly ones on either side of the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant on earth] and GOD had dressed him [Lucifer] in precious stones and metals, “every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created” [Ezekiel 28:13] and Lucifer had once “walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire” [the Law of God, the burning stones of fire, and the other angels, living stones of the Temple of Heaven] in the “Eden the garden of God”, upon “the holy mountain of God”, being “Mount Zion” of Heaven, which “cannot be removed, [but] abideth forever”.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1 Peter 5:8

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:9

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child]. Revelation 12:13

Satan will be brought to “ashes” and “All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.” [Ezekiel 28:19] and “The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee; thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt be] any more.” [Ezekiel 27:36]

“Personality of God

MAN was made in the image of God. “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.” Genesis 1:26, 27. See also chap. 9:6; 1 Corinthians 11:7. Those who deny the personality of God, say that “image” here does not mean physical form, but moral image, and they make this the grand starting point to prove the immortality of all men. The argument stands thus: First, man was made in God’s moral image. Second, God is an immortal being. Third, therefore all men are immortal. But this mode of reasoning would also prove man omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and thus clothe mortal man with all the attributes of the deity. Let us try it: First, man was made in God’s moral image. Second, God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Third, therefore, man is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. That which proves too much, proves nothing to the point, therefore the position that the image of God means his moral image, cannot be sustained. As proof that God is a person, read his own words to Moses: “And the Lord said, Behold there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock; and it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by. And I will take away mine hand and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen.” Exodus 33:21-23. See also chap. 24:9-11. Here God tells Moses that he shall see his form. To say that God made it appear to Moses that he saw his form, when he has no form, is charging God with adding to falsehood a sort of juggling deception upon his servant Moses.

But the skeptic thinks he sees a contradiction between verse 11, which says that the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, and verse 20, which states that Moses could not see his face. But let Numbers 12:5-8 remove the difficulty. “And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forth. And he said, Hear now my words. If there be a prophet among you, I, the Lord, will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently.”

The great and dreadful God came down, wrapped in a cloud of glory. This cloud could be seen, but not the face which possesses more dazzling brightness than a thousand suns. Under these circumstances Moses was permitted to draw near and converse with God face to face, or mouth to mouth, even apparently.

Says the prophet Daniel, “I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hairs of his head like the pure wool; his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.” Chap. 7:9. “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him, and there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom.” Verses 13, 14.

Here is a sublime description of the action of two personages; viz, God the Father, and his Son Jesus Christ. Deny their personality, and there is not a distinct idea in these quotations from Daniel. In connection with this quotation read the apostle’s declaration that the Son was in the express image of his Father’s person. “God, who at sundry times, and in divers manners, spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person.” Hebrews 1:1-3.

We here add the testimony of Christ. “And the Father himself which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” John 5:37. See also Philippians 2:6. To say that the Father has not a personal shape, seems the most pointed contradiction of plain scripture terms. OBJECTION. – “God is a Spirit.” John 4:24.
ANSWER. – Angels are also spirits [Psalm 104:4], yet those that visited Abram and Lot, lay down, ate, and took hold of Lot’s hand. They were spirit beings. So is God a Spirit being.
OBJ. – God is everywhere. Proof. Psalm 139:1-8. He is as much in every place as in any one place.

ANS. – 1. God is everywhere by virtue of his omniscience, as will be seen by the very words of David referred to above. Verses 1-6. “O Lord, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my down-sitting and mine uprising; thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O Lord, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thy hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me. It is high; I cannot attain unto it.”

2. God is everywhere by virtue of his Spirit, which is his representative, and is manifested wherever he pleases, as will be seen by the very words the objector claims, referred to above. Verses 7-10. “Whither shall I go from thy Spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.”

God is in heaven. This we are taught in the Lord’s prayer. “Our Father which art in heaven.” Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2. But if God is as much in every place as he is in any one place, then heaven is also as much in every place as it is in any one place, and the idea of going to heaven is all a mistake. We are all in heaven; and the Lord’s prayer, according to this foggy theology simply means, Our Father which art everywhere, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is everywhere.

Again, Bible readers have believed that Enoch and Elijah were really taken up to God in heaven. But if God and heaven be as much in every place
as in any one place, this is all a mistake. They were not translated. And all that is said about the chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and the attending whirlwind to take Elijah up into heaven, was a useless parade. They only evaporated, and a misty vapor passed through the entire universe. This is all of Enoch and Elijah that the mind can possibly grasp, admitting that God and heaven are no more in any one place than in every place. But it is said of Elijah that he “went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” 2 Kings 2:11. And of Enoch it is said that he “walked with God, and was not, for God took him.” Genesis 5:24.

Jesus is said to be on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Hebrews 1:3. “So, then, after the Lord had spoken unto them he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.” Mark 16:19. But if heaven be everywhere, and God everywhere, then Christ’s ascension up to heaven, at the Father’s right hand, simply means that he went everywhere! He was only taken up where the cloud hid him from the gaze of his disciples, and then evaporated and went everywhere! So that instead of the lovely Jesus, so beautifully described in both Testaments, we have only a sort of essence dispersed through the entire universe. And in harmony with this rarified theology, Christ’s second advent, or his return, would be the condensation of this essence to some locality, say the mount of Olivet! Christ arose from the dead with a physical form. “He is not here,” said the angel, “for he is risen as he said.” Matthew 28:6.

“And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail! And they came and held him by the feet, and they worshiped him.” Verse 9.

“Behold my hands and my feet,” said Jesus to those who stood in doubt of his resurrection, “that it is I myself. Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of an honey-comb, and he took it and did eat before them.” Luke 24:39-43.

After Jesus addressed his disciples on the mount of Olivet, he was taken up from them, and a cloud received him out of their sight. “And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold two men stood by them in white apparel, which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11. J. W.

IMMATERIALITY

THIS is but another name for nonentity. It is the negative of all things and beings – of all existence. There is not one particle of proof to be advanced to establish its existence. It has no way to manifest itself to any intelligence in heaven or on earth. Neither God, angels, nor men could possibly conceive of such a substance, being, or thing. It possesses no property or power by which to make itself manifest to any intelligent being in the universe. Reason and analogy never scan it, or even conceive of it. Revelation never reveals it, nor do any of our senses witness its existence. It cannot be seen, felt, heard, tasted, or smelled, even by the strongest organs, or the most acute sensibilities. It is neither liquid nor solid, soft nor hard – it can neither extend nor contract. In short, it can exert no influence whatever – it can neither act nor be acted upon. And even if it does exist, it can be of no possible use. It possesses no one, desirable property, faculty, or use, yet, strange to say, immateriality is the modern Christian’s God, his anticipated heaven, his immortal self – his all!

O sectarianism! O atheism!! O annihilation!!!

who can perceive the nice shades of difference between the one and the other? They seem alike, all but in name. The atheist has no God. The sectarian has a God without body or parts. Who can define the difference? For our part we do not perceive a difference of a single hair; they both claim to be the negative of all things which exist – and both are equally powerless and unknown.

The atheist has no after life, or conscious existence beyond the grave. The sectarian has one, but it is immaterial, like his God; and without body or parts. Here again both are negative, and both arrive at the same point. Their faith and hope amount to the same; only it is expressed by different terms.

Again, the atheist has no heaven in eternity. The sectarian has one, but it is immaterial in all its properties, and is therefore the negative of all riches and substances. Here again they are equal, and arrive at the same point.

As we do not envy them the possession of all they claim, we will now leave them in the quiet and undisturbed enjoyment of the same, and proceed to examine the portion still left for the despised materialist to enjoy.

What is God? He is material, organized intelligence, possessing both body and parts. Man is in his image.

What is Jesus Christ? He is the Son of God, and is like his Father, being “the brightness of his Father’s glory, and the express image of his person.” He is a material intelligence, with body, parts, and passions; possessing immortal flesh and immortal bones.

What are men? They are the offspring of Adam. They are capable of receiving intelligence and exaltation to such a degree as to be raised from the dead with a body like that of Jesus Christ, and to possess immortal flesh and bones. Thus perfected, they will possess the material universe, that is, the earth, as their “everlasting inheritance.” With these hopes and prospects before us, we say to the Christian world who hold to immateriality, that they are welcome to their God – their life – their heaven, and their all. They claim nothing but that which we throw away; and we claim nothing but that which they throw away. Therefore, there is no ground for quarrel or contention between us.

We choose all substance – what remains
The mystical sectarian gains;
All that each claims, each shall possess,
Nor grudge each other’s happiness.
An immaterial God they choose,
For such a God we have no use;
An immaterial heaven and hell,
In such a heaven we cannot dwell.
We claim the earth, the air, and sky,
And all the starry worlds on high;
Gold, silver, ore, and precious stones,
And bodies made of flesh and bones.
Such is our hope, our heaven, our all,
When once redeemed from Adam’s fall;
All things are ours, and we shall be,
The Lord’s to all eternity.” [PERSONALITY OF GOD pages 1-8] – http://text.egwwritings.org/publica….umber=1

Extra [5.] A “Spiritual Body”…

The Context of 1 Corinthians 15 reveals that it is speaking of the Resurrection and the “Body” of it.

Paul gives examples of the differences between the body now and as it shall be, like as unto the angels, in the resurrection.  Paul uses the example of the earthly body and compares with the heavenly bodies [sun, moon and stars]:

“But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?” [1 Corinthians 15:35]

“[Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:” [1 Corinthians 15:36]

“And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:” [1 Corinthians 15:37]

“It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:” [1 Corinthians 15:43]

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” [1 Corinthians 15:44]

σῶμα sōma : “1) the bo
dy both of men or animals; a) a dead body or corpse; b) the living body; 1) of animals; 2) the bodies of planets and of stars (heavenly bodies); 3) is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body; a) so in the NT of the church; 4) that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself” [Strong's Concordance]

“But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.” [1 Corinthians 15:38]

“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.” [1 Corinthians 15:45]

“Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.” [1 Corinthians 15:46]

“The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.” [1 Corinthians 15:47]

“As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.” [1 Corinthians 15:48]

“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.” [1 Corinthians 15:49]

Again see Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25 and Luke 20:35-36.

And just as Jesus Christ was raised, we too shall be like Him, being able to walk, eat, touch, have hair, hands and feet, etc, etc, being “as the angels in Heaven”.

“So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.” [1 Corinthians 15:54]

Paul in, the Epistles [1 and 2] to the Corinthians, truly lays to waste every platonic and nicolaitan dualism theology, every immortal 'spirit' theology is reduced to nothing.  Even as it is nothing.

Dear reader, please explain in the simplest terms, what this 'spiritual' you beleive in is?  What form hath it?  With what is it's substance?  If you say it is made of any kind of particle, you have left your 'spiritual' and gone into physical.

With what shall we speak with having no vocal chords?  With what shall we touch with having no hands to speak of?  With what shall we see with having no eyes?  With what shall you think with having no brains?  How shall you interact with anything having no substance?  if you do have substance, explain how that this substance is not physical but 'spiritual'…

Satan has told a lie in the garden of Eden, Ye shall not surely die, and all manner of immortal soul/spirit theology has since grown from that seed…

…the 'spirit creature' is just another form of it…  it is a seed without substance, intangible, unreal, incorporeal – nothing.

Consider, what happens to the rest of the thing of Heaven once it is spiritualized as such…  the very Throne of God is removed…

Consider the truth:

http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library.aspx

The texts given did not present meeting Jesus “in the air” as the final destination at all.  The texts clearly shown that the destination was Heaven itself, being taken back into it:

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1 Thessalonians 4:14

He brings them back with Him into Heaven.  none of the texts presented, which reveal that the saints inherit their reward in Heaven were addressed.  Please do so.

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:12

Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward [is] great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. Luke 6:23

etc…

Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. (Psalms 50:5)

Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:3)

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:12)

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: (Matthew 6:20)

Let  both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will  say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them  in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew 13:30)

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:31)

Then  Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou  lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor,  and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. (Mark 10:21)

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. (Mark 13:27)

Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward [is] great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. (Luke 6:23)

Now  when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one  thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. (Luke 18:22)

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43) [considering “today”,  there is no punctuation in the Greek Texts, compoare John 20:17.  Especially compare this verse and the word “paradise” to the same in 2 Corinthians 12:4 and Revelation 2:7]

In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (John 14:2)

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. (John 14:3)

That place is prepared not on this earth… plain text.  Who will accept it?

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; (Colossians 1:5)

Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. (Hebrews 10:34)

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, (1 Peter 1:4)

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; (Revelation 7:9)

And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. (Revelation 14:3)

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: (Revelation 19:1)

Why do you not want to go to Heaven?

Some might ask, how then does this affect “possession”?  This is an entirely new question, which may be addressed later, but suffice it to say for now, Satan and the devils do not literally ['slide into'] your body as so many films and stories based upon paganism and sorcery and necormancy portray.

“Possession” deals with the mind/will.  It has to do with the surrendering of the will to another, either to God or to satan.  Satan has even used animals as “mediums”, like the serpent in the Garden.  A medium is a go-between.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Romans 6:16

Therefore, when one is possessed of devils, they are said to be “in” you, in the sense that they are in control of your will insofar as they are allowed to be.  Remember, Angels are not 'ethereal', just 'invisible' most of the time.  For Lot even entertained angels who were as real as He.  Also, they do not ever even temporarily take on human flesh [that is anathema to the Gospel], for they have their own kind of flesh.  See Genesis 17-19.  The LORD Himself had his feet washed there.  He also did not there take upon hismelf Him and flesh and blood, for that would also destroy the gospel.

Well, then did not the devils “go away into the herd of swine” when cast out?  They were cast out from possessing the man's will/mind/heart.  They did not enter into the pigs, as like unto a movie, as if some essence settles inside the flesh, but rather they went amidst the herd of swine and drove them into the sea, the devils then wandering from there, see the greek itself.

In every case of possession, it is a possessing of the will/heart/mind which controls the body.

There is much more to this, but this for now and no more until later, once we get back into the main reason for this thread.

It is really simple to know who carries the truth of God…

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

Which Law?  His Ten Commandments…

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:6

If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15

Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

Those which are not keeping His Ten Commandments, or preach that they are abolished, done away, changed, altered, etc, do not have the Truth as it is given.

Does that which you preach keep His 7th Day or is it taught that it no longer matters, done away, changed, altered etc, this too can be shown to be great error.  Even the cross demonstrates this permanently.

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

Come out of her My people He says unto you… join the remnant which was raised up of God, foretold in prophecy, which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus and the Testimony of Jesus, which is the Spirit of Prophecy.

The 7th Day Adventist movement…  in its members are those which have come out of all manner of false theology, walks of life, etc. and now follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, and We know His voice…

Did you know that God set up the structure of His body [the Church]?  Will you consider the texts of the Whole New Testament?

Who gave deacons?  Who gave some to be apostles and elders?  Who gave to be teachers and helps and governments?  Was there not a council convened in Acts 15 to consider the matter under disputation?  Did they not all come together and search the scriptures, consider the vision and experiences?

There are no individual Christians independant from another, for we are all one body in Christ Jesus, and when one suffers so do they all suffer, and when one rejoices they all rejoice.

Yes, indeed we are to worship in Spirit and in Truth.  Notice that last part – Truth, scripture defins what that is even specifically.  The Holy Spirit which leads us into all Truth so that we may be one, even of the same mind and He speaks not of Himself, but what He hears, and that which is already given.

Terraricca, I say unto you, I have not always been, not born, nor raised 7th Day Adventist.  It is only because I was led to them in Scripture by the Holy Spirit, even to the very doctrines of Christ Jesus, the Faith of Jesus.  The very prophecies point them out, and by continuing in Daniel, I will show, by the grace of God, that this is so, from scripture and history.

Truth can be known.  There is a people, called of God, upon this earth which hold it up and out for all the world to come and take of…

No, that is not what I am saying Terraricca.  Other peoples have pieces of the truth, in various forms.  For many have come out of darkness through the Reformation, but they did not continue to seek for greater light in the scriptures, and remained where their founders had come out and then since died, for the most part.

But do we want merely pieces, or rather the whole picture?

Thy way, O God, [is] in the sanctuary: who [is so] great a God as [our] God? Psalms 77:13

Ok, Have you any questions about Daniel Chaoter 1 so far that has already been covered?  See here posts 4 and 7:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….44;st=0

OK, Have you any questions about Daniel Chapter 2 so far that has already been covered?  See 7th Post here:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=30