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Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28) Wakeup I would follow along if I were you, there may be things you could learn.
1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28) Wakeup I would follow along if I were you, there may be things you could learn.
2Beesee.What can you learn of a compromising church?
But error,and we dont want eror in our faith.Watch for the leaven of the scribes,remember ;we are living in the last days,and error is preached because of the falling away. satan is working double time to lead astray even the very elect if posssible.
Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:26) Thank you AWHN, I have been reading along, when I have the time, and I will read more later.
Praise be to God! Please take your time in testing all by the scriptures, and if there are questions, or a text that you would like to see considered [on topic of course, for others, just send it to me], please let me know, and my PM is always open, and there is much more to come yet.Apologies that this thread has received so little attention even though it was the thread I had the greatest intention of working the most on. More will be coming, but it may be some time, and so I ask all for patience… it will be worth the wait.
…Truth, as it is in the scriptures, will be made clear and known, that any willing to look may see and take hold, and all errors will be thoroughly shown for what they are by the very same.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28) Wakeup I would follow along if I were you, there may be things you could learn.
2Beesee.Daniel 11:32-35 [edited, shortened]
Wakeup,May you consider that Daniel 11:32-35 are already fulfilled in the period of the Dark Ages and the Reformation. The very structure of Daniel, and Revelation, and the Gospels, demands it, and this will be fully shown in the posts to come as we continue through these prophetic books. There will, however, be similar events repeated as we move into the latter half of Daniel 11:40, name Daniel 11:40(B)-12:3. We stand between Daniel 11:40[A] and (b), even as we stand between Revelation 6:13-14, and so many others.
Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 06 2012,15:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28) Wakeup I would follow along if I were you, there may be things you could learn.
2Beesee.Daniel 11:32-35 [edited, shortened]
Wakeup,May you consider that Daniel 11:32-35 are already fulfilled in the period of the Dark Ages and the Reformation. The very structure of Daniel, and Revelation, and the Gospels, demands it, and this will be fully shown in the posts to come as we continue through these prophetic books. There will, however, be similar events repeated as we move into the latter half of Daniel 11:40, name Daniel 11:40(B)-12:3. We stand between Daniel 11:40[A] and (b), even as we stand between Revelation 6:13-14, and so many others.
Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, *EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END*: because it is yet for a time appointed.*EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END*
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wakeup.Indeed, “time of the end”, not “the end of time”. The “time of the end” began in a very specific date, in fulfillment of the prophecies, and in studying Daniel/Revelation etc we shall all see that it has already come…
Quote Indeed, “time of the end”, not “the end of time”. The “time of the end” began in a very specific date, in fulfillment of the prophecies, and in studying Daniel/Revelation etc we shall all see that it has already come… This is twisting of scripture. At THE TIME OF THE END, is exactly what it says it is.
Also it states here.
Daniel 8:23 And in the LATTER TIME OF….THEIR KINGDOM, when the …TRANSGRESSORS ARE COME TO THE FULL, a KING OF FIERCE COUNTENANCE, AND UNDERSTANDING DARK SENTENCES SHALL STAND UP
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was DEATH, and Hell followed with him. And POWER was given unto THEM over the fourth part of the earth, to KILL WITH THE SWORD, AND WITH HUNGER, AND WITH DEATH and with the beasts of the earth.Daniel 8:24 And HIS POWER shall be MIGHTY, but NOT BY HIS OWN POWER: and he shall DESTROY WONDERFULLY, and shall PROSPER, and PRACTICE, and SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY, and THE HOLY PEOPLE.
2 Thess 2:9 EVEN HIM, whose coming is AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS.Rev 13:13 And he does GREAT WONDERS, so that he make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
Rev 13:14 And decieveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those MIRACLES which he had POWER to do in the SIGHT OF THE BEAST, saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the BEAST, which had the wound by a SWORD and did live.Daniel 8:25 And through HIS POLICY also he shall cause CRAFT TO PROSPER IN HIS HAND; and he shall MAGNIFY HIMSELF in his heart, and BY PEACE, shall DESTROY MANY: he shall also STAND UP AGAINST THE PRINCE OF PRINCES; but he shall be broken without hands.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that WROUGHT MIRACLES before him, with which HE DECEIVED THEM that had RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE BEAST, and them that worshiped his image. THESE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone.
2 Thess 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom THE LORD SHALL… CONSUME WITH THE SPIRIT OF HIS MOUTH, and shall…. DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING
What do you say about this? Is this all history? or does it happen at the time of the end?
Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 06 2012,15:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28) Wakeup I would follow along if I were you, there may be things you could learn.
2Beesee.Daniel 11:32-35 [edited, shortened]
Wakeup,May you consider that Daniel 11:32-35 are already fulfilled in the period of the Dark Ages and the Reformation. The very structure of Daniel, and Revelation, and the Gospels, demands it, and this will be fully shown in the posts to come as we continue through these prophetic books. There will, however, be similar events repeated as we move into the latter half of Daniel 11:40, name Daniel 11:40(B)-12:3. We stand between Daniel 11:40[A] and (b), even as we stand between Revelation 6:13-14, and so many others.
AWHN,We are well aware that God uses duality in prophecies, how He hides future prophecies amongst fulfilled prophecies.
But what you are saying concerning Daniel ch 11:32-35 is not so.
It has not been fulfilled.Many Christian teachings have fallen victim to this apostasy concerning the abomination of desolation being fulfilled.
It has not been fulfilled nor does it come close to matching the prophecies with their timelines concerning this future prophecy.This abomination of desolation STANDS for THREE AND A HALF YEARS, and no matter how complex your doctrines become, history declares your error for all with eyes to see.
For the apostasy says this was fulfilled during Roman times, yet ALL recorded accounts declare that your so called abomination within the second temple was not even completed before the Jewish uprising which led to the suspension and CANCELLATION of the work on the statue being erected in said temple.
It was NEVER completed and besides, it didn't even STAND for THREE AND A HALF YEARS which of course also CANCELS it out as being THE abomination spoken of.
If you CHOOSE to overlook this fact, then simply carry on believing it…but we can not be swayed from the truth of the matter.
Quote (Devolution @ Nov. 08 2012,00:40) Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 06 2012,15:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28) Wakeup I would follow along if I were you, there may be things you could learn.
2Beesee.Daniel 11:32-35 [edited, shortened]
Wakeup,May you consider that Daniel 11:32-35 are already fulfilled in the period of the Dark Ages and the Reformation. The very structure of Daniel, and Revelation, and the Gospels, demands it, and this will be fully shown in the posts to come as we continue through these prophetic books. There will, however, be similar events repeated as we move into the latter half of Daniel 11:40, name Daniel 11:40(B)-12:3. We stand between Daniel 11:40[A] and (b), even as we stand between Revelation 6:13-14, and so many others.
AWHN,We are well aware that God uses duality in prophecies, how He hides future prophecies amongst fulfilled prophecies.
But what you are saying concerning Daniel ch 11:32-35 is not so.
It has not been fulfilled….
Hello, Daniel 11:32-35 has been completely fullfilled, even up to verse 39 and part of verse 40, and yet there is that verse 40-45 and Daniel 12:1-3 which remains. If you would please allow me to get there, piece by piece, and study what is said by the Word. The problem with jumping all the way from Daniel 1 to Daniel 11 and 12 without detailed study is dangerous and wreckless, so I would ask all for the time to demonstrate, from the scriptures, what is being spoken, for I think there is a miscommunication here.Preterism, in partial or full is false and error, however…
Futurism is also as equally false and deadly., and I know what many say on both ends, but they do not know the roots of these theologies…Please allow me the time to deonstrate, fully, these things. I will be sourcing everything as I can.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 07 2012,20:16) Quote Indeed, “time of the end”, not “the end of time”. The “time of the end” began in a very specific date, in fulfillment of the prophecies, and in studying Daniel/Revelation etc we shall all see that it has already come… This is twisting of scripture. At THE TIME OF THE END, is exactly what it says it is.
Also it states here.
Daniel 8:23 And in the LATTER TIME OF….THEIR KINGDOM, when the …TRANSGRESSORS ARE COME TO THE FULL, a KING OF FIERCE COUNTENANCE, AND UNDERSTANDING DARK SENTENCES SHALL STAND UP
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was DEATH, and Hell followed with him. And POWER was given unto THEM over the fourth part of the earth, to KILL WITH THE SWORD, AND WITH HUNGER, AND WITH DEATH and with the beasts of the earth.Daniel 8:24 And HIS POWER shall be MIGHTY, but NOT BY HIS OWN POWER: and he shall DESTROY WONDERFULLY, and shall PROSPER, and PRACTICE, and SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY, and THE HOLY PEOPLE.
2 Thess 2:9 EVEN HIM, whose coming is AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS.Rev 13:13 And he does GREAT WONDERS, so that he make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
Rev 13:14 And decieveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those MIRACLES which he had POWER to do in the SIGHT OF THE BEAST, saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the BEAST, which had the wound by a SWORD and did live.Daniel 8:25 And through HIS POLICY also he shall cause CRAFT TO PROSPER IN HIS HAND; and he shall MAGNIFY HIMSELF in his heart, and BY PEACE, shall DESTROY MANY: he shall also STAND UP AGAINST THE PRINCE OF PRINCES; but he shall be broken without hands.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that WROUGHT MIRACLES before him, with which HE DECEIVED THEM that had RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE BEAST, and them that worshiped his image. THESE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone.
2 Thess 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom THE LORD SHALL… CONSUME WITH THE SPIRIT OF HIS MOUTH, and shall…. DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING
What do you say about this? Is this all history? or does it happen at the time of the end?
Hi,Again, the “time of the end”, is not the same as the “end of time”. The “time of the end”, as we shall come to see, is mentioned in several instances, and indicates a specific point in the time prophecies themselves, which is already come upon us.
The “Four Horsemen of the Apocalpse”, or more scripturally known as the first 4 Seals of the 7 Seals, are already done and past also, and these will be shown from history and scripture. We are at this very moment, nearing the very end of the 6th Seal, even now, as we stand between Revelation 6:13 and 14..
However, before getting into Revelation, we must first go back and study carefully Daniel, for it is the sister book to Revelation, and I not only ask for your time, but all else here, to demonstrate from the scriptures how these things are so, and you may then test it all by the Word of God itself, in fact it is a must. and therefore I ask for patience, and studying.
Please.
Quote The “Four Horsemen of the Apocalpse”, or more scripturally known as the first 4 Seals of the 7 Seals, are already done and past also, and these will be shown from history and scripture.
I am aware that the first seal (white horse),
and the 2nd seal (red horse) have started riding.
I understand that we are in the days of the 3rd seal (black horse) and this is why I understand it, from Matthew 24, when the apostles asked Jesus Christ this;Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world
These are the signs…..
Matthew 24:5 For MANY shall come in MY NAME, ….SAYING…. I AM CHRIST… and shall deceive many.Can you understand this? They came in his name, saying, HE IS CHRIST. They were not claiming they were Christ. This started during the crusades, and holy wars and continued centuries later when Christ's name was spread by force. The truth however, was not spread, but only Christ's name. This had to happen. Although these holy wars were used for their own religious dominance, and greed, God had other plans, and that was to get the name of Christ out there to the gentiles. This is the 1st seal (White Horse). This is Past, history, fulfilled.
1st Seal
Rev 6:1 And I saw, and behold a WHITE HORSE: and he that sat on him had a BOW (war,) and a CROWN (authority) was given unto him, and he went forth CONQUERING, and to CONQUER
Matthew 24:5 For MANY shall come in MY NAME, ….SAYING…. I AM CHRIST… and shall deceive many.2nd Seal
Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of WARS AND RUMOURS OF WARS: see that ye be not troubled: for all these ting must come to pass, BUT THE END IS NOT YET.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was RED: and power was given to him that sat theron to TAKE PEACE FROM THE EARTH, and that they should KILL one another: and there was given unto him a GREAT SWORD(wars/guns/tanks/aircraft/submarines/)This was the 2nd seal (Red Horse). 1st and 2nd world wars…
for these things must come to pass, BUT THE END IS NOT YET This is past, history, fulfilled.3rd Seal
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be FAMINES, and PESTILENCES, and EARTHQUAKES, in divers places.
Rev 6:5 …And I beheld, and lo, a BLACK HORSE; and he that sat on him had a PAIR OF BALANCES in his hand
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of Wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny (famine) and see thou hurt not the oil and the WINE (religion)This was the 3rd seal, and this famine is going to affect the whole world. So far, this has not happened, but it will. The once so wealthy European Nations are already in trouble, and the USA is next, then Europe will fall completely, then Australia…then Cananda, then NZ…etc. It will spread like wildfire, and when the economies of the world fall, and people are rioting over lack of food, and high food prices, and even fighting over water, then this prophecy will be fulfilled. So this horse is already riding, and the next one comes shortly
Matthew 24:8 All these are the BEGINNING OF SORROWS.
The 4th Seal
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, NOR SHALL EVER BE.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was DEATH and HELL FOLLOWED with HIM. And POWER was given unto THEM over the fourth part of the earth, to KILL with the SWORD, and with HUNGER, and with DEATH, and with the BEASTS of the EARTH.4th Seal is the FALSE PROPHET, and his beast. He is to come, and has not come yet.. He will kill many that do not obey his new system.
The 5th Seal is the killing of the saints. Not past, but future.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.Do you think this was for them only back then?
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto every one of them, that they should rest yet for a little season, UNTIL their fellow servants also and their brethen, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.Quote We are at this very moment, nearing the very end of the 6th Seal, even now, as we stand between Revelation 6:13 and 14..
The beginning of Sorrows has not yet started.You do realise that the seven trumpets will blow after the false prophet issues the mark, and saints are killed. They should start blowing any day now according to you?
Quote However, before getting into Revelation, we must first go back and study carefully Daniel, for it is the sister book to Revelation, and I not only ask for your time, but all else here, to demonstrate from the scriptures how these things are so, and you may then test it all by the Word of God itself, in fact it is a must. and therefore I ask for patience, and studying. Please.
I understand that Daniel and Revelations go hand in hand, but you have missed out Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Amos, Joel, Hosea, Obadiah, Nahum, Zephaniah, Malachi, & Zechariah, to receive the full picture. I will wait patiently for your explanation although I know that your organisation has already worked out the interpretation for you, and you trust them.
No offence brother, I hope you will come to realise this. I am angry at the churches, not at you. You have just as much right to the truth as anyone, but they hinder you and keep you there, always looking at the scriptures through their eyes.Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
God bless.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2012,21:18) You go for it. wakeup.
Thank you Wakeup for your patience. A bit longer and the next section may be ready for posting.AWHN would you say that the first white horse
Rev 6:1
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow and a crown was given unto him, and he went forth conquering, and to conquerIs good or bad?
Am I too far ahead of what you're up to?Hi AWHN. Did you find your other thread? It is in 'Truth or Tradition' – a Moderator moved it there.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2012,13:17) Hi AWHN. Did you find your other thread? It is in 'Truth or Tradition' – a Moderator moved it there.
Though it was lost, now it be found, it is here:Wines of the Bible, Food and Diet, Clean and Unclean…
Daniel 2 [The Short Version [Long and Detailed Version with pictures and video to follow]]
Gathering the texts. [Read Daniel 1 & 2]
In the Book of Daniel Chapter 2, Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon, has dreams.
What do they mean?
How shall any know?
Is it up to “private interpretation” to determine them?
No, for “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” [2 Peter 1:20]
Gathering the texts needed, let us “readeth” “Daniel”.
What do the scriptures themselves say?
“…I will shew unto the king the interpretation.” [Daniel 2:24;p]
“…make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.” [Daniel 2:30;p]
“…I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation.” [Daniel 2:25;p]
“This (is) the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.” [Daniel 2:36]
“…the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream (is) certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.” [Daniel 2:45;p]
Daniel will tell us what the Dream means, “the interpretation”, step by step, and all should know that, “the dream (is) certain and the interpretation thereof sure”.
And so, what does Daniel say about the dreams given from GOD to Nebuchadnezzar and himself?
“But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;” [Daniel 2:28]
“…he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.” [Daniel 2:29;p]
The vision is of the future, for “what shall be in the latter days” and “what shall come to pass” and “hereafter”.
[A Brief Overview of the Dream]
The King of Babylon sees a Giant Image [an idol of a man] in various metals:
Head of Gold,
Chest and Arms of Silver,
Waist and Thighs of Brass [Bronze],
Legs of Iron,
and finally Feet and Toes of Iron mixed with Clay.
Then a Stone cut out of a Mountain without Hands smashes the Great Image at the Feet.
The Giant Image is forever destroyed into nothing.
The Stone becomes a great Mountain and fills the whole earth.
Let us not move any faster than the information given to us is presented in these texts, then let us search more broadly and then let us come back and gather all that we have gained at each point with a summary.
What is the “Head of Gold”?:
“Thou, O king, (art) a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom… Thou (art) this head of gold.” [Daniel 2:37-38]
The “Head of Gold” is the “Kingdom” of Babylon.
What then is the “Breast and Arms of Silver”?:
“…And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee…” [Daniel 2:39;p]
The “Breast and Arms of Silver” is the next successive [Second] Kingdom to Rule directly after Babylon, and would be inferior to the “Gold”, a “Silver” Kingdom [It is not given at this specific time in Daniel Chapter 2 what the name of this Second Kingdom is to be, but in Daniel Chapter 1, there is already the hinting at it: “And Daniel continued [even] unto the first year of king Cyrus.” [Daniel 1:21]].
What then is “his Belly and his Thighs of Brass”?
“…and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth” [Daniel 2:39;p]
“His Belly and His Thighs of Brass” are the successive “Third Kingdom” [It is not yet given at this specific time in Daniel Chapter 2 what the name of this “Third Kingdom” is to be, but something interesting is given to consider about it, in that it would “…bear rule over all the earth.” and more shall be made known the further the Book of Daniel is read and studied along with the rest of Scripture].
What then are “His Legs of Iron”?
“And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all (things): and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.” [Daniel 2:40]
“His Legs of Iron” are the successive and all conquering “Fourth Kingdom” [It is not yet given at this specific time in Daniel Chapter 2 what the name of this “Fourth Kingdom” is to be, but it is given that it would “breaketh those before it and break in pieces and bruise.” and more shall be made known the further the Book of Daniel is read and studied along with the rest of Scripture].
What then are “his feet part of iron and part of clay.”?
“And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.” [Daniel 2:41]
“And (as) the toes of the feet (were) part of iron, and part of clay, (so) the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.” [Daniel 2:42]
“And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.” [Daniel 2:43]
“His feet part of iron and part of clay.” are still the very “Fourth Kingdom” again, but this time it is this very “Fourth Kingdom” “Divided”, becoming “partly strong and partly broken”. The “Fourth Kingdom” during this period of being “Divided” shall then seek to “mingle themselves with the seed of men” [intermarriage among nations] and they “shall not cleave one to another”. [The “Fourth Kingdom” in its “Divided” form, exists until the “Stone” smashes it and all the metals together.]
What then is this “Stone was cut out Without Hands”?
“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed…” [Daniel 2:44;p]
In scripture when something is said to be done “without hands” it is done, completed and finished by GOD [Mark 14:58; Colossians 2:11] and not man. Thus it is where “The God of Heaven” sets “up a Kingdom”, “which shall never be destroyed”.
When will this happen according to scripture?
What or Who then is this Stone, this Rock?
Searching the Scriptures reveals that this Rock/Stone is none other than CHRIST JESUS [Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalms 118:22; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 16:18, 21:42,44; Romans 9:32-33; 1 Corinthians 3:9-11, 10:4; Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:4-8] who comes in Power and Glory in HIS Second Advent.
What then is the ending wherein the “the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.”?
“…the kingdom shall not be left to other people, (but) it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” [Daniel 2:44;p]
The Stone that becomes the Great Mountain and fills the whole earth, which shall “break in pieces and consume all” the previous “Kingdoms” of the Giant Metal Man Idol and their ways for good, truly is the Final and Everlasting Kingdom of God on Earth which shall “stand for ever” on the Earth made New [Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1].
“Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream (is) certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.” [Daniel 2:45]
…and yet there are more visions given in
the Book of Daniel, unfolding in greater details, shedding further light upon these very events and “Kingdoms” given in Daniel Chapter 2…What has been learned and gained thus far?
[1.] Head of [Gold] is the Kingdom of Babylon
[2.] Another Kingdom arises after it [Silver]
[3.] A Third Kingdom conquers, Bearing rule over the earth [Brass]
[4.] The Fourth Kingdom crushes all those before it, an [Iron] Kingdom
[5.] The Fourth Kingdom becomes Divided [Iron and Clay]
[6.] The Fourth Divided Kingdom mingles the seed of men, but remains divided
[7.] [Stone] Cut without Hands, destroys all of the previous Kingdoms, so that there is no trace of them left and Remains forever and ever [Mountain].
What are these other “Kingdoms” mentioned?
When will the “Antichrist” arise among them?
Daniel has said that the “dream is certain” and the “interpretation is sure”.
What else has the WORD of GOD to say? Gpod hath foretold all these things, even unto the consumation and beyond…
Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; God, and [there is] none like me, [Isaiah 46:9]
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: [Isaiah 46:10]
Quote (AWHN @ Dec. 04 2012,15:19) Daniel 2 [The Short Version [Long and Detailed Version with pictures and video to follow]] Gathering the texts. [Read Daniel 1 & 2]
In the Book of Daniel Chapter 2, Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon, has dreams.
What do they mean?
How shall any know?
Is it up to “private interpretation” to determine them?
No, for “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” [2 Peter 1:20]
Gathering the texts needed, let us “readeth” “Daniel”.
What do the scriptures themselves say?
“…I will shew unto the king the interpretation.” [Daniel 2:24;p]
“…make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.” [Daniel 2:30;p]
“…I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation.” [Daniel 2:25;p]
“This (is) the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.” [Daniel 2:36]
“…the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream (is) certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.” [Daniel 2:45;p]
Daniel will tell us what the Dream means, “the interpretation”, step by step, and all should know that, “the dream (is) certain and the interpretation thereof sure”.
And so, what does Daniel say about the dreams given from GOD to Nebuchadnezzar and himself?
“But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;” [Daniel 2:28]
“…he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.” [Daniel 2:29;p]
The vision is of the future, for “what shall be in the latter days” and “what shall come to pass” and “hereafter”.
[A Brief Overview of the Dream]
The King of Babylon sees a Giant Image [an idol of a man] in various metals:
Head of Gold,
Chest and Arms of Silver,
Waist and Thighs of Brass [Bronze],
Legs of Iron,
and finally Feet and Toes of Iron mixed with Clay.
Then a Stone cut out of a Mountain without Hands smashes the Great Image at the Feet.
The Giant Image is forever destroyed into nothing.
The Stone becomes a great Mountain and fills the whole earth.
Let us not move any faster than the information given to us is presented in these texts, then let us search more broadly and then let us come back and gather all that we have gained at each point with a summary.
What is the “Head of Gold”?:
“Thou, O king, (art) a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom… Thou (art) this head of gold.” [Daniel 2:37-38]
The “Head of Gold” is the “Kingdom” of Babylon.
What then is the “Breast and Arms of Silver”?:
“…And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee…” [Daniel 2:39;p]
The “Breast and Arms of Silver” is the next successive [Second] Kingdom to Rule directly after Babylon, and would be inferior to the “Gold”, a “Silver” Kingdom [It is not given at this specific time in Daniel Chapter 2 what the name of this Second Kingdom is to be, but in Daniel Chapter 1, there is already the hinting at it: “And Daniel continued [even] unto the first year of king Cyrus.” [Daniel 1:21]].
What then is “his Belly and his Thighs of Brass”?
“…and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth” [Daniel 2:39;p]
“His Belly and His Thighs of Brass” are the successive “Third Kingdom” [It is not yet given at this specific time in Daniel Chapter 2 what the name of this “Third Kingdom” is to be, but something interesting is given to consider about it, in that it would “…bear rule over all the earth.” and more shall be made known the further the Book of Daniel is read and studied along with the rest of Scripture].
What then are “His Legs of Iron”?
“And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all (things): and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.” [Daniel 2:40]
“His Legs of Iron” are the successive and all conquering “Fourth Kingdom” [It is not yet given at this specific time in Daniel Chapter 2 what the name of this “Fourth Kingdom” is to be, but it is given that it would “breaketh those before it and break in pieces and bruise.” and more shall be made known the further the Book of Daniel is read and studied along with the rest of Scripture].
What then are “his feet part of iron and part of clay.”?
“And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.” [Daniel 2:41]
“And (as) the toes of the feet (were) part of iron, and part of clay, (so) the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.” [Daniel 2:42]
“And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.” [Daniel 2:43]
“His feet part of iron and part of clay.” are still the very “Fourth Kingdom” again, but this time it is this very “Fourth Kingdom” “Divided”, becoming “partly strong and partly broken”. The “Fourth Kingdom” during this period of being “Divided” shall then seek to “mingle themselves with the seed of men” [intermarriage among nations] and they “shall not cleave one to another”. [The “Fourth Kingdom” in its “Divided” form, exists until the “Stone” smashes it and all the metals together.]
What then is this “Stone was cut out Without Hands”?
“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed…” [Daniel 2:44;p]
In scripture when something is said to be done “without hands” it is done, completed and finished by GOD [Mark 14:58; Colossians 2:11] and not man. Thus it is where “The God of Heaven” sets “up a Kingdom”, “which shall never be destroyed”.
When will this happen according to scripture?
What or Who then is this Stone, this Rock?
Searching the Scriptures reveals that this Rock/Stone is none other than CHRIST JESUS [Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalms 118:22; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 16:18, 21:42,44; Romans 9:32-33; 1 Corinthians 3:9-11, 10:4; Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:4-8] who comes in Power and Glory in HIS Second Advent.
What then is the ending wherein the “the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.”?
“…the kingdom shall not be left to other people, (but) it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” [Daniel 2:44;p]
The Stone that becomes the Great Mountain and fills the whole earth, which shall “break in pieces and consume all” the previous “Kingdoms” of the Giant Metal Man Idol and their ways for good, truly is the Final and Everlasting Kingdom of God on Earth which shall “stand for ever” on the Earth made New [Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1].
“Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gol
d; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream (is) certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.” [Daniel 2:45]…and yet there are more visions given in the Book of Daniel, unfolding in greater details, shedding further light upon these very events and “Kingdoms” given in Daniel Chapter 2…
What has been learned and gained thus far?
[1.] Head of [Gold] is the Kingdom of Babylon
[2.] Another Kingdom arises after it [Silver]
[3.] A Third Kingdom conquers, Bearing rule over the earth [Brass]
[4.] The Fourth Kingdom crushes all those before it, an [Iron] Kingdom
[5.] The Fourth Kingdom becomes Divided [Iron and Clay]
[6.] The Fourth Divided Kingdom mingles the seed of men, but remains divided
[7.] [Stone] Cut without Hands, destroys all of the previous Kingdoms, so that there is no trace of them left and Remains forever and ever [Mountain].
What are these other “Kingdoms” mentioned?
When will the “Antichrist” arise among them?
Daniel has said that the “dream is certain” and the “interpretation is sure”.
What else has the WORD of GOD to say? Gpod hath foretold all these things, even unto the consumation and beyond…
Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; God, and [there is] none like me, [Isaiah 46:9]
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: [Isaiah 46:10]
Hi,I discern from a statement within your post that you do not accept that Christ will rule for a 1000 years here on earth from Jerusalem, commencing at His 2nd coming?
Could you confirm please.
Thank you.
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 04 2012,21:58) Hi, I discern from a statement within your post that you do not accept that Christ will rule for a 1000 years here on earth from Jerusalem, commencing at His 2nd coming?
Could you confirm please.
Thank you.
Hello Devolution,Would it be from this statement, “The Stone that becomes the Great Mountain and fills the whole earth, which shall “break in pieces and consume all” the previous “Kingdoms” of the Giant Metal Man Idol and their ways for good, truly is the Final and Everlasting Kingdom of God on Earth which shall “stand for ever” on the Earth made New [Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1].“?
You are most correct in your discerning, and therefore let me speak candidly and in clarity, and in christian charity, so that there is no confusion upon this most important subject.
Christ Jesus will not reign for 1,000 years upon this sin-polluted earth from any earthly Jerusalem, and neither any others… for the teaching which says that He and they shall will destroy many…
…I understand that this goes against so many which believe it to be so, but scripture does not teach that He, neither they [saints] will, and if any will allow me the moment to share from the scriptures, I will.
Would you like to see why I believe so from the scriptures itself?
Quote (AWHN @ Dec. 05 2012,13:21) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 04 2012,21:58) Hi, I discern from a statement within your post that you do not accept that Christ will rule for a 1000 years here on earth from Jerusalem, commencing at His 2nd coming?
Could you confirm please.
Thank you.
Hello Devolution,Would it be from this statement, “The Stone that becomes the Great Mountain and fills the whole earth, which shall “break in pieces and consume all” the previous “Kingdoms” of the Giant Metal Man Idol and their ways for good, truly is the Final and Everlasting Kingdom of God on Earth which shall “stand for ever” on the Earth made New [Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1].“?
You are most correct in your discerning, and therefore let me speak candidly and in clarity, and in christian charity, so that there is no confusion upon this most important subject.
Christ Jesus will not reign for 1,000 years upon this sin-polluted earth from any earthly Jerusalem, and neither any others… for the teaching which says that He and they shall will destroy many…
…I understand that this goes against so many which believe it to be so, but scripture does not teach that He, neither they [saints] will, and if any will allow me the moment to share from the scriptures, I will.
Would you like to see why I believe so from the scriptures itself?
Hi AWHN,Thanks for clarifying, I just got home from work & thought i'd come on here & have a quick look, unfortunately i have to go out again & won't be able to answer till tomorrow after work.
Sure, you can show me your reasons by all means.
But before you do, when i am availiable tomorrow evening, I would like to first point out a few things within the scriptures of which you already quoted like Isaiah etc…if you don't mind waiting that is.
Thank you.
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