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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:09) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 07 2012,09:25) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,04:02) Wakeup You try so hard to convince some one who is no longer posting.
Then you speak of the '”mark” of the beast; what if you tell us, “what beast”?
Who or what is, or was the beast?
You also gave a scripture of the “image” of the beast.
Again, the “image” of what beast?
Why is this “beast” called, “the image”?Georg
Hi George,I believe Wakeup didn't even read your post.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, hes does not want to answer my questions.Georg
Have you got a question for me pastry?
That would be very interesting.
I am all ears.wakeup.
Another blind man; must be contagious.Georg
Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:09) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 07 2012,09:25) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,04:02) Wakeup You try so hard to convince some one who is no longer posting.
Then you speak of the '”mark” of the beast; what if you tell us, “what beast”?
Who or what is, or was the beast?
You also gave a scripture of the “image” of the beast.
Again, the “image” of what beast?
Why is this “beast” called, “the image”?Georg
Hi George,I believe Wakeup didn't even read your post.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, hes does not want to answer my questions.Georg
Have you got a question for me pastry?
That would be very interesting.
I am all ears.wakeup.
Another blind man; must be contagious.Georg
Pastry.Is that your question,or a statement?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:19) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:09) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 07 2012,09:25) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,04:02) Wakeup You try so hard to convince some one who is no longer posting.
Then you speak of the '”mark” of the beast; what if you tell us, “what beast”?
Who or what is, or was the beast?
You also gave a scripture of the “image” of the beast.
Again, the “image” of what beast?
Why is this “beast” called, “the image”?Georg
Hi George,I believe Wakeup didn't even read your post.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, hes does not want to answer my questions.Georg
Have you got a question for me pastry?
That would be very interesting.
I am all ears.wakeup.
Another blind man; must be contagious.Georg
Pastry.Is that your question,or a statement?
wakeup.
That is an observation.georg
Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:19) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:09) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 07 2012,09:25) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,04:02) Wakeup You try so hard to convince some one who is no longer posting.
Then you speak of the '”mark” of the beast; what if you tell us, “what beast”?
Who or what is, or was the beast?
You also gave a scripture of the “image” of the beast.
Again, the “image” of what beast?
Why is this “beast” called, “the image”?Georg
Hi George,I believe Wakeup didn't even read your post.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, hes does not want to answer my questions.Georg
Have you got a question for me pastry?
That would be very interesting.
I am all ears.wakeup.
Another blind man; must be contagious.Georg
Pastry.Is that your question,or a statement?
wakeup.
That is an observation.georg
Pastry.Then its your duty to open my eyes.
Thats what we are here for.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:30) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:19) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:09) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,15:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 07 2012,09:25) Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,04:02) Wakeup You try so hard to convince some one who is no longer posting.
Then you speak of the '”mark” of the beast; what if you tell us, “what beast”?
Who or what is, or was the beast?
You also gave a scripture of the “image” of the beast.
Again, the “image” of what beast?
Why is this “beast” called, “the image”?Georg
Hi George,I believe Wakeup didn't even read your post.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, hes does not want to answer my questions.Georg
Have you got a question for me pastry?
That would be very interesting.
I am all ears.wakeup.
Another blind man; must be contagious.Georg
Pastry.Is that your question,or a statement?
wakeup.
That is an observation.georg
Pastry.Then its your duty to open my eyes.
Thats what we are here for.wakeup.
Alright, try looking at this.Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,04:02)
WakeupYou try so hard to convince some one who is no longer posting.
Then you speak of the '”mark” of the beast; what if you tell us, “what beast”?
Who or what is, or was the beast?
You also gave a scripture of the “image” of the beast.
Again, the “image” of what beast?
Why is this “beast” called, “the image”?Georg
Pastry.
There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,17:32) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2012,09:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,16:33) Old or new,people still can read.
They have to be warned of these false doctrines.wakeup.
is this said to excluding you
Terra.When did you ever come up with an explanation?
What have you contibuted so far?wakeup.
WupI did but you and Devo add jump me with your own views and so stopped sharing,I too learn
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,17:32) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2012,09:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,16:33) Old or new,people still can read.
They have to be warned of these false doctrines.wakeup.
is this said to excluding you
Terra.When did you ever come up with an explanation?
What have you contibuted so far?wakeup.
WupI did but you and Devo add jump me with your own views and so stopped sharing,I too learn
Terra.Its good to learn,we all should learn.
What we put out you must seek if its the truth or not,by checking the scriptures.Not by comparing with your doctrine.
And if you find any contradictions ,then you confront us with scriptures.
Dont compare our teachings with what you have been taught,because it will not be the same,it will be totally different.
But compare it with scriptures.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:43) Pastry. There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
You are obviously not interested in understanding, I can say that, because you have proven to me you don't even read what I say.
I think you are more interested in seeing your name appear on every column.
You have a large EGO, but no pride in your self, because you don't care what a fool you make of your self.I already showed that a beast is a ruling government.
Rome not only ruled over all states, but over all religion too.Therefore, the image of the beast, of Rome, is a type of government that does exactly the same.
This image “was” the Pope of the Catholic church.
During the dark, and middle ages, he ruled over all the kings and religion.
He, the pope was the emperor;
the cardinals are the Senators;
the bishops are the Governors;
the priests are the Mayors.That is the image of the beast/Rome.
Also, under his rule, no one was allowed to own, or read the Bible, if you were caught doing so, you would be killed.
There are many church basements, all over Europe, were there torture chamber have been made into museums.Now show me how interested you are in this information.
Georg
Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,16:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:43) Pastry. There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
You are obviously not interested in understanding, I can say that, because you have proven to me you don't even read what I say.
I think you are more interested in seeing your name appear on every column.
You have a large EGO, but no pride in your self, because you don't care what a fool you make of your self.I already showed that a beast is a ruling government.
Rome not only ruled over all states, but over all religion too.Therefore, the image of the beast, of Rome, is a type of government that does exactly the same.
This image “was” the Pope of the Catholic church.
During the dark, and middle ages, he ruled over all the kings and religion.
He, the pope was the emperor;
the cardinals are the Senators;
the bishops are the Governors;
the priests are the Mayors.That is the image of the beast/Rome.
Also, under his rule, no one was allowed to own, or read the Bible, if you were caught doing so, you would be killed.
There are many church basements, all over Europe, were there torture chamber have been made into museums.Now show me how interested you are in this information.
Georg
Pastry.I have carefully read it,but Its not new to me,for I have known this doctrine.ok.
I can not agree with it,because it contradicts the Prophesies.
It does not fit into the picture.You said;The image was the pope of the catholic church.
I say it can not be,because the image will only be introduced by the false prophet when he comes,IN THE LAST DAYS, when his new empire is established.(the 8th beast).rev.13:14–16.And the 8th beast,was BEFORE John,and BEFORE the roman empire.because the roman empire WAS ruling in the days of John.
The false prophet will not come untill there is a falling away first.(2thess.2).Before the coming of Christ.
The roman church never claims to be God.
Infact they worship God,and jesus.(but not in truth).The false prophet claims that there is no God but him.
This is not the roman church doctrine.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,22:43) Pastry. There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
WupWhat does it mean being cast in the fire
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2012,16:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,22:43) Pastry. There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
WupWhat does it mean being cast in the fire
Terra.What does it mean the lake of fire?
The lake of fire is the same lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.(matt.25:41).
Do you know some other lake of fire?
wakeup.
Wakeup
Do you understand who the little horn is in Dan. 7:8?
Do you understand that he had his beginning during the Roman empire, verse 7 is Rome.
Verse 21 says, he made war with the saints.
verse 25 says, he shall speak great things against the most High, and he shall wear out the saints for three and a half years.
Is that not the same description you find in Rev. 13:?
So you see, this beast/ruler had his beginning during the Roman rule; and if you were to read the history of the early popes, there were some who claimed to have as much power as God.
In fact kings and peasants alike, feared the pope more than God.
It was not until 1843 that the Vatican abolished torture.Did not Jesus offer himself up for our sins once for all? so why does the Catholic church claim you have to confess your sins to a man/priest, and then Jesus has to die again in their Mass sacrifice.
And does not the Bible teach us that Jesus is the “only” mediator between man and God?
so why does the pope claim HE is the Vicar of Christ, the high priest, the representative of Christ?Georg
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2012,16:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,22:43) Pastry. There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
WupWhat does it mean being cast in the fire
It means everlasting destruction.Georg
Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,16:49) Wakeup Do you understand who the little horn is in Dan. 7:8?
Do you understand that he had his beginning during the Roman empire, verse 7 is Rome.
Verse 21 says, he made war with the saints.
verse 25 says, he shall speak great things against the most High, and he shall wear out the saints for three and a half years.
Is that not the same description you find in Rev. 13:?
So you see, this beast/ruler had his beginning during the Roman rule; and if you were to read the history of the early popes, there were some who claimed to have as much power as God.
In fact kings and peasants alike, feared the pope more than God.
It was not until 1843 that the Vatican abolished torture.Did not Jesus offer himself up for our sins once for all? so why does the Catholic church claim you have to confess your sins to a man/priest, and then Jesus has to die again in their Mass sacrifice.
And does not the Bible teach us that Jesus is the “only” mediator between man and God?
so why does the pope claim HE is the Vicar of Christ, the high priest, the representative of Christ?Georg
Pastry.The dreadful beast in Dan7. is the same 10 horned beast in rev13.
And he is come out of the sea with 7 heads of which,as of today 6 are fallen.(not 5).The 7th wounded one is here now; the 8th is coming.
The 8th is coming,that makes this one now the 7th.The 8th is different from the others.(different system).
This one is Godless.(no churches; religion involved).The little horn will claim to be God;and the world must worship him,all people of this planet,must worship him.
The 8th was before the romans and also before egypt.
wakeup.
Wakeup
You are like a blind guide, sharpen your cane so you can see better.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Did you not just tell me that the eighth was before Rome?
Wakeup, if ignorance would hurt, you would be in allot of pain.
Georg
Hi Georg,
Most people, given enough time, will start to contradict their own precepts;
but this is this first time I seen it done in the same post. HA Ha ha ha ha!!!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,23:49) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2012,16:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2012,22:43) Pastry. There is only one beast that introduced his mark,and that is the 8th beast,the last beast,the one that will be cast in the fire at the coming.
You should have known this.And his image is not some kind of an idol,but the new constitution,the new rules and laws.
Anyone that does not comply; will be killed.Anymore questions?
wakeup.
WupWhat does it mean being cast in the fire
Terra.What does it mean the lake of fire?
The lake of fire is the same lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.(matt.25:41).
Do you know some other lake of fire?
wakeup.
wupDa 7:19 “Then I wanted to know the true meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws—the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left.
Da 7:20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell—the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Da 7:21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them,
Da 7:22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.
Da 7:23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.
Da 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Da 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.
Da 7:26 “ ‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.Da 7:11 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire.
compere verse 26 with verse 11 and understand what the angel says to daniel
wup
Quote Pastry. The dreadful beast in Dan7. is the same 10 horned beast in rev13.
And he is come out of the sea with 7 heads of which,as of today 6 are fallen.(not 5).And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Rev 13:2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
Rev 13:4 Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”
Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
Rev 13:6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
Rev 13:7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.look now;
Da 7:3 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.
Da 7:7 “After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.
Da 7:8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Da 7:20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell—the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Da 7:21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them,when was that war done??? and how were the saints defeated
and who was that beast or witch head of the seven head beast does it represent
Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 07 2012,23:35) Wakeup You are like a blind guide, sharpen your cane so you can see better.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Did you not just tell me that the eighth was before Rome?
Wakeup, if ignorance would hurt, you would be in allot of pain.
Georg
Pastry.Yes, Not I said; but the scripture says,if one can understand the prophesy.
The the beast that was and is not.
This beast was before John,and this beast shall come out of the bottomless pit,not the sea.This beast can never be Rome,because Rome was never a one world gevernment,with one language; one people and one world system; one religion; and one universal leader.
Rome never ruled the planet.
but there was one before Egypt and Rome, that ruled the planet.And the 8th will rule the planet,as the one that was did.
And I will not call you names for your great error.
wakeup.
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