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April 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm#292060

Wakeup

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Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

April 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm#292067

Devolution

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,07:18)

Noah was a Prophet and was not Jewish

Abraham was a Prophet and was not Jewish

Every Prophet brfore the tribe of Judah was not Jewish you are confused here (Not being insulting)

Ishmael and Isaac were brothers nothing can change that.

as far as being called the word of God and even God for that matter look what Jesus says:

John 10:34-36

King James Version (KJV)

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

You still are confusing yourself let m ask you this:

Luke 5:1
And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret,

Do you keep thinking the “word of God” is just another name for Jesus?

You misunderstand Jesus was “a” Word sent from God and that Word became flesh.

They are not the same thing:

Revelation 1:2
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Jesus Christ was called into existence by the Word of God the same way God said “Let there be light” and there was light

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Noah was a Prophet and was not Jewish

Abraham was a Prophet and was not Jewish

Every Prophet before the tribe of Judah was not Jewish you are confused here (Not being insulting)

No insult taken Bod.

Correct. But to none of these Prophets did it concern, nor did God ever declare: “I will raise up from among your brethren a Prophet”.
So none of these were that Prophet either because none of these were raised up from among their (Jews) brethren..

This is not of that subject at all, so you see, i was not confused…but you are changing the subject matter, and the focus, away from the main point without addressing the source argument, instead, you avoid answering by bringing up unrelated subjects…you should not do this thing…

How will we resolve/end the subject matter when more and more subjects are piled on top before addressing the original subject, which will just get lost in the unrelated debating?
This is not fruitful.

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Ishmael and Isaac were brothers nothing can change that.

Correct. I never claimed otherwise nor even disputed this thing i already knew.
But like i pointed out above, this too has nothing to do with “That Prophet”.
This is NOT the brethrenship God is meaning.
So then, this, again, is leading away from the subject matter which is this: “I will raise up from among your brethren a Prophet”.
We must stay on subject Bod.

Again, Muhammad was never first recognized as a prophet, being first raised up as a prophet from among the Jews.
Muhammad declared himself a prophet first among his own brethren…it is from them whom he was raised up a prophet.
Again, we see this plain indisputable truth as cancelling him out as being “That prophet”.
It just does not fit, nor ever will.

I know you wish it to be true with all your heart…
But it is not about what we want, but instead, about what God decides/ordains.

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as far as being called the word of God and even God for that matter look what Jesus says:

John 10:34-36

King James Version (KJV)

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

You do not understand what you quote Bod. (not being rude)
When i mentioned to you that God called us gods, you responded by stating NO, there is only One God…thus showing you did not understand the meaning of that declaration “ye are gods”.
So i do not understand why you now use this scripture of which you protested against?
And the context is not what you think it is either…

IF…IF…IF you truly wish to understand where some of us are coming from Bod…

You need to read all of what i am about to say and truly listen to the words…i apologize that it will be long…but it is not a subject explained briefly…

THEN, you may SEE what we are talking about…
Which is NOT what other Christians speak nor even SEE nor even believe…for 99% of Christians hold the false doctrine of Catholic born Trinity…and are polluted because of this.

Let me explain it to you…

he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

> The Word of God came to the people through the Prophets of old…
> How did this happen?
> God put His Word in them and they spoke to the people.
> Notice it says “unto whom the Word of God came“…
> Came !! Meaning, the Word of God was upon them.
> Nowhere does it say that these men were the Word of God, but again, and instead, the Word of God came unto them.
> Meaning that they were already alive (human) when the Word of God came unto them.
> But THE Word of God that became flesh was NOT human first…but became human.
> Big difference.

To fully comprehend this statement, you need to understand what the Word of God means in all it's meaning.
There is the Word of God, that comes out of God, like speech comes out of us, and His Word, like ours, can speak many things..

But unlike our Word, Gods internal Word, can, on command, act, act and work as though it were an individual…coming out of God and doing his will.
And not only an individual, but like our many words we speak, God can send out many words also…words that are not only mere speech, but words that can manifest as individual words/Spirit to either grow within many men…or in just one man…or to just briefly inhabit a man/men…that is, temporarily pass through/inhabit for a purpose.

And this word/words, are Spirit, and are alive, and this word/words can manifest in men, making them able to “hear/digest/comprehend” the Father's words and speak them through that Spirit given unto them.
This word is of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit contains this word.

This is His power…His essence that goes forth from Him and does His will.
God spoke “let there be light[/B]…
Notice He only spoke, and what happened?
“There was light”
So How did God achieve this feat?
By his Word…He spoke.
He did not use hammers and drills and screwdrivers etc…
He just spoke His word.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth

And that breath stands for His inner Spirit.

So His word came out an acted and obeyed.
It was this Word that created all thi
ngs.

Remember how i said Gods word can be many or just one?
And how He can put this word/words into one man or many men?
Do you now start to see?
And this word is within the Holy Spirit that is given to all those who obey Him.
So the Holy Spirit which is given unto individual men, contains this word/truth.

Yet to none of these men did he ever say…YOU are the Word of God.
Because that would mean that they would then be the actual pure word turned into flesh…like Jesus was…
But these men/Prophets, instead, had that word put into their already existing human bodies…
So they were already human before that word, which is Spirit, was put into them…
This does not make them THE Word of God..
but instead, pre-existing vessels that were permitted to receive the word of God indwelling.

But the actual individual Word of God that became flesh, was not flesh before He came…He was pure Word of God.
And He became a man.
This is the difference Bod.
This is what you do not yet see…hence your confusion over scriptures concerning this, and because of this, many other scriptures.

So you see, God has many words indwelling within men, many words that are still One word, one source, saying the SAME thing, being the same word, but dispersed in essence form to grow within many individual believers…growing at a rate related to their obedience to Him who gave that word/Spirit.

But there is only ONE Word of God that came directly from God to become flesh within the womb of a human host.
And that human host was Mary.

I saw you quoted that Joseph was the true father of Jesus…
but you left out the whole story Bod…
You should not do this thing either…
You should know full well that it is plainly stated that Joseph did NOT yet sleep with Mary and yet she was pregnant…
and Joseph was considering divorcing her…
BUT..an angel appeared to Joseph and told him HOW Mary became pregnant.
You should not have abused that by leaving it out, instead, you should have acknowledged it, and from there, spoke the truth of your heart, and that is, that you did not believe it.
That would have been far more honorable…

When a man adopts a child, what is that child called from then on… that child is called his SON/DAUGHTER.
You know this Bod…it is not beyond your intelligence then to see why Joseph is called Jesus' “father”, and for that matter, how Mary can be called Jesus' “mother”.

Bod, i am not mocking you, but you need to know this….

I see you quoting much scripture…
But you do not comprehend their meanings.
Your eyes are seeing other things instead of what is meant.
It is not an insult…
Let me explain why…

When one comes to Christ, i mean really comes to Christ, something special is given unto them…
The Holy Spirit.
It is this Spirit that reveals the true meanings of all scripture.
Without this Holy Spirit to guide oneself, scripture becomes, and seems, to be nothing but contradictions.
And this is what you are seeing.

God has done this marvelous thing for a very important reason.
And this confusion not only happens to non Christians, it also happens to Christians who do not fully submit to Christ…hence all the divisions/confusions over scripture.

So since you follow Islam, this means you have not truly accepted Christ, but instead, only accept certain words of His through Muhammad's interpretation.
So then, that Holy Spirit is not given you.
For you mix Christ with/through Muhammad's interpretation, who worships a god called Allah, and Allah speaks different things than Jehovah..
I have read of your book personally, and i tell you, it is not the same personality speaking therein.

And Christians, who do accept Christ and no other, yet mix Christ with doctrines of men, who themselves only accept Christ and no other, they only get but a small measure of that word/Spirit…
A measure so small, they are like children only able to see/understand the simple things of Christ, that is, the milk.
From here come all the divisions amongst them.

For these Christians are mixing Christ's word with the word of men, men who are not submitting to Christ's way/instructions, but are attempting to understand His ways/instructions through their own wisdom without obeying His commanded lifestyle one needs to live, to receive that Spirit which must grow by LIVING Christ's exampled way…they do not do this fully, but only partially, this is not good enough to feed that given Spirit, so it is stunted within them…

This means that these Christians then, by not following Christ's true message, are worldly Christians…and are tossed to and fro with many worldly born doctrines which have been influenced by Satan for to pervert the true message of Christ…

And this is why so many of them of varying faiths/doctrines, can not see they are also doing things they ought not do…
Things you also mentioned…
> Bowing down in front of statues (idols) which not only God warned against, but Christ also commanded they not do…
> Using the cross symbol (another idol) which should not be used/owned/held.
> Celebrating Christmas which is a pagan festival…
> Easter also a pagan festival…
> These things also they should not do…etc etc

Because of these things, they are polluted, and their Spirit that is given is stunted and ill…unable to grow beyond a little child's understanding.

Yet honesty Bod…honesty…

Muslims too are deceived…

I know of the Black stone Bod.
The stone that Muhammad preserved and venerated…
The only idol he did not destroy…
The idol his tribe worshipped…
The idol fragment said to have come down from the moon god…
The stone that is encased in the Mosque which is kissed and venerated by Muslims…
The moon god which had a symbol used by its followers long before Islam…
A symbol Islam still uses…
The crescent moon…
The idol Muhammad saluted…

And what fragment (which means a broken off part) do you suppose is also in Mecca?
Which is encased…
which the people encircle three times on pilgrimage?
Of which most Muslims are ignorant of?

So you see Bod…
Satan has been at work alright…
Both in the Christian deceptions and Muslim deceptions…

It is up to us to come out of these deceptions and embrace the truth, even at our own personal cost…be it mockings or death.

This upholds the greatest commandment…

To love the Lord your god with all your heart, mind, and soul.

Thank you.

April 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm#292071

Ed J

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 14 2012,05:16)

Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

When Jesus was asked: “what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said: “Honor thy father and mother.” (Mark 10:19)
…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

April 13, 2012 at 8:16 pm#292077

bodhitharta

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 14 2012,05:16)

Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

The scriptures say that Mary was his mother so what's the dispute?

Tis why the Quran made the point clear.

April 13, 2012 at 9:07 pm#292079

Ed J

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,07:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 14 2012,05:16)

Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

The scriptures say that Mary was his mother so what's the dispute?

Tis why the Quran made the point clear.

Hi BD,

Is it not true that the 'book of fraud' outright denies the gospel?
…the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Here is what Jesus said:
(Here is one account)

Mark 8:31 And [Jesus] began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected
of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Here is another account:

Matt 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders
and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

And here is a third…

1 Cor 15:12-14 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,
how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

How about a fourth…

Rev 1:17-18 Fear not; I am the first and the last: and was dead; and,
behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

April 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm#292080

bodhitharta

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Quote (Devolution @ April 14 2012,05:47)

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okay

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Again, Muhammad was never first recognized as a prophet, being first raised up as a prophet from among the Jews.

Neither was Abraham or Moses.Moses was not from the tribe of Judah and was not a Jew

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Muhammad declared himself a prophet first among his own brethren…it is from them whom he was raised up a prophet.
Again, we see this plain indisputable truth as cancelling him out as being “That prophet”.
It just does not fit, nor ever will.[Quote]

Ishmael and Isaac were brothers, Muhammad came from the lineof Ishmael and Moses came from the line of Isaac they are brethren.

[Quote]I know you wish it to be true with all your heart…
But it is not about what we want, but instead, about what God decides/ordains.

Yes

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The scripture is written to the judges of the Law to whom the word of God came they were called gods in the scripture and Jesus was mocking the scripture itself as he did when he asked them how could the Christ be David's son?

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IF…IF…IF you truly wish to understand where some of us are coming from Bod…

You need to read all of what i am about to say and truly listen to the words…i apologize that it will be long…but it is not a subject explained briefly…

Okay

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But these Catholics put together your bible so why are you not believing in what they believe the Quran has been against the trinity since most all Christians believed in it but yet you say the Quran is false?

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Let me explain it to you…

he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

We already agree on this and it is already in the Quran

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We agree with the Quran

Sura #19

20 She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”
21 He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed.”

Sura #3

45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

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Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth

And that breath stands for His inner Spirit.

So His word came out an acted and obeyed.It was this Word that created all things.

We agree

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No confusion at all you agree with the Quran

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But there is only ONE Word of God that came directly from God to become flesh within the womb of a human host.
And that human host was Mary.

You are correct and He was the Son of Mary otherwise the scriptures wouldn't say Mary was the mother of Jesus

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I saw you quoted that Joseph was the true father of Jesus…

No you did not see that

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but you left out the whole story Bod…
You should not do this thing either…
You should know full well that it is plainly stated that Joseph did NOT yet sleep with Mary and yet she was pregnant…
and Joseph was considering divorcing her…
BUT..an angel appeared to Joseph and told him HOW Mary became pregnant.
You should not have abused that by leaving it out, instead, you should have acknowledged it, and from there, spoke the truth of your heart, and that is, that you did not believe it.
That would have been far more honorable…

Jesus came out of Mary that is her son

[Quote]Bod, i am not mocking you, but you need to know this….

I see you quoting much scripture…
But you do not comprehend their meanings.
Your eyes are seeing other things instead of what is meant.
It is not an insult…
Let me explain why…

Not at all I see constant revelation and progression even contradictions prove truth

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So since you follow Islam, this means you have not truly accepted Christ, but instead, only accept certain words of His through Muhammad's interpretation.

False I accepted Christ long ago and was baptized with the Holy Spirit long ago

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So then, that Holy Spirit is not given you.

False belief, Learn:

John 3:8

King James Version (KJV)

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is not confined to Christianity people had it before Jesus was born

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For you mix Christ with/through Muhammad's interpretation, who worships a god called Allah, and Allah speaks different things than Jehovah..

False: Jehovah is Allah

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I have read of your book personally, and i tell you, it is not the same personality speaking therein.

My book or the Quran?

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Complete nonsense, Abraham lived exactly how God wanted was full of the Spirit, you seem to think the Holy Spirit was some sort of new invention or that it began during the days of Christ believe me brother you have the Spirit then you know:

Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

The Holy Spirit is still trying to teach you and it will according to the readiness of your heart and head

[Quote]This means that these Chr
istians then, by not following Christ's true message, are worldly Christians…and are tossed to and fro with many worldly born doctrines which have been influenced by Satan for to pervert the true message of Christ…

They would say the same thing about you. Why would you assume they are wrong perhaps that are simply at a certain level of understanding and if you have strived more in the way of understanding perhaps you just understand more but to judge them is dangerous

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You sound more and more Muslim

[Quote]Because of these things, they are polluted, and their Spirit that is given is stunted and ill…unable to grow beyond a little child's understanding.

The Prophet Muhammad would agree 100% with you and so would Jesus Christ

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Yet honesty Bod…honesty…

Yes, Honesty and Love

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Muslims too are deceived…

The word Muslim means Submitter so technically only those whp submit themselves to god a actual Muslims and yes all types of people are deceived but the Quran does not deceive nor is it deceptive.

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No it was not to have come down from any sort of “moon God”

But if you look in the bible stones were often markers for very Holy Sites that's why ED thinks his name is in the Bible because two tribes had made a stone alter for the rememberence of God it just so happens the word for Alter in Hebrew is “Ed” I have no idea why he thought that meant him out of the millions of people named ED it would be likesomeone named “Cliff” saying all the books about cliffs were talking about him.

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The stone that is encased in the Mosque which is kissed and venerated by Muslims…
The moon god which had a symbol used by its followers long before Islam…
A symbol Islam still uses…
The crescent moon…
The idol Muhammad saluted…

You are right the cresent moon symbol was before Muhammad and is not an Islamic symbol but many of the empires used that symbol were Muslims or converted to Islam

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And what fragment (which means a broken off part) do you suppose is also in Mecca?
Which is encased…
which the people encircle three times on pilgrimage?
Of which most Muslims are ignorant of?

So you see Bod…
Satan has been at work alright…
Both in the Christian deceptions and Muslim deceptions…

What does a pilgrimage have to do with Satan?

The Holy Land acts as a focal point for the pilgrimages of the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. According to a Stockholm University study in 2011, these pilgrims visit the Holy Land to touch and see physical manifestations of their faith, confirm their beliefs in the holy context with collective excitation, and connect personally to the Holy Land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage

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It is up to us to come out of these deceptions and embrace the truth, even at our own personal cost…be it mockings or death.

This upholds the greatest commandment…

To love the Lord your god with all your heart, mind, and soul.

Thank you.

Once again you agree with the Quran.

God Bless you!

April 13, 2012 at 9:27 pm#292085

Ed J

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,08:10)

We agree with the Quran

Sura #19

20 She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”

Once again you agree with the Quran.

God Bless you!

BD,

Why do you support the 'book of fraud'?
Mary was NOT THE SISTER OF AARON!

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Sura 19 vs 28: 'O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.'

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

April 13, 2012 at 9:43 pm#292086

Ed J

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,08:10)

No it was not to have come down from any sort of “moon God”

Quote (Quote taken @ Sura 6 vs 77)

(Sura 6 + vs 77 = 83) moongod(83) = 'lord al-Lah'(83) = 'is satan'(83)

'And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed: This is my Lord'

April 13, 2012 at 9:52 pm#292087

Ed J

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,08:10)

it just so happens the word for Alter in Hebrew is “Ed”

Hi BD,

Are YOU being a deceptive muslim again
following the 'wrong god'(al-Lah) of
the false prophet(Muhammad)?

Altar (H4196): מִזְבֵּ֫חַ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: mizbeach
Phonetic Spelling: (miz-bay'-akh)
Short Definition: altar

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

April 13, 2012 at 10:54 pm#292095

Wakeup

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,06:14)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 14 2012,05:16)

Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

When Jesus was asked: “what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said: “Honor thy father and mother.” (Mark 10:19)
…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

Jesus called David lord; so how can David be the lords father.
It is mary that ought to honor Jesus. Before mary was jesus is.

wakeup.

April 14, 2012 at 12:07 am#292117

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,08:27)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,08:10)

We agree with the Quran

Sura #19

20 She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”

Once again you agree with the Quran.

God Bless you!

BD,

Why do you support the 'book of fraud'?
Mary was NOT THE SISTER OF AARON!

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Sura 19 vs 28: 'O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.'

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

You are not the brother of Christ?

Ed you simply don't understand context they were simply calling her a Pious woman.

April 14, 2012 at 12:08 am#292118

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ April 14 2012,09:54)

Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,06:14)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 14 2012,05:16)

Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

When Jesus was asked: “what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said: “Honor thy father and mother.” (Mark 10:19)
…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

Jesus called David lord; so how can David be the lords father.
It is mary that ought to honor Jesus. Before mary was jesus is.

wakeup.

Jesus was not Flesh before Mary was so what are you saying? Jesus is the son of Mary according to your own scriptures

April 14, 2012 at 12:11 am#292119

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,08:43)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,08:10)

No it was not to have come down from any sort of “moon God”

Quote (Quote taken @ Sura 6 vs 77)

(Sura 6 + vs 77 = 83) moongod(83) = 'lord al-Lah'(83) = 'is satan'(83)

'And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed: This is my Lord'

Surah 6

77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.”
78 When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all).” But when the sun set, he said: “O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
79 “For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.”

Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the moon. adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #37)

This really makes you look bad being caught in a blatant lie

April 14, 2012 at 12:14 am#292121

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,08:52)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 14 2012,08:10)

it just so happens the word for Alter in Hebrew is “Ed”

Hi BD,

Are YOU being a deceptive muslim again
following the 'wrong god'(al-Lah) of
the false prophet(Muhammad)?

Altar (H4196): מִזְבֵּ֫חַ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: mizbeach
Phonetic Spelling: (miz-bay'-akh)
Short Definition: altar

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

No I am not being deceptive at all does ED mean witness or Altar.

Would the Jehovah's witnesses becalled Jehovah's EDs

April 14, 2012 at 12:18 am#292124

Ed J

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Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

When Jesus was asked: “what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said: “Honor thy father and mother.” (Mark 10:19)
…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

Jesus called David lord; so how can David be the lords father.
It is mary that ought to honor Jesus. Before mary was jesus is.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You remind me of Jammin, he dosn't answer my questions either.
(Link to the Jammin thread) (Link to the Wakeup thread)

You answered a different question, one that I didn't ask?
I didn't ask if David was Jesus' father?
Nor did I ask if Mary ought to honor Jesus?

What I instead asked is:
Q#1…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself
when he said one of the requirements for a man to inherit eternal life
was for them to honor their father AND THEIR MOTHER?

Now will you please answer the question that I asked?
Along with a second question I now have based on your dodging the first question!

Q#2 Are YOU suggesting that Jesus was(?) not a man?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

April 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm#292208

Wakeup

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Hi Bodhitharta.

I follow the scriptures only,and there is no record of Jesus addressing mary as mother.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

When Jesus was asked: “what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said: “Honor thy father and mother.” (Mark 10:19)
…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

Jesus called David lord; so how can David be the lords father.
It is mary that ought to honor Jesus. Before mary was jesus is.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You remind me of Jammin, he dosn't answer my questions either.
(Link to the Jammin thread) (Link to the Wakeup thread)

You answered a different question, one that I didn't ask?
I didn't ask if David was Jesus' father?
Nor did I ask if Mary ought to honor Jesus?

What I instead asked is:
Q#1…do YOU think Jesus was excluding himself
when he said one of the requirements for a man to inherit eternal life
was for them to honor their father AND THEIR MOTHER?

Now will you please answer the question that I asked?
Along with a second question I now have based on your dodging the first question!

Q#2 Are YOU suggesting that Jesus was(?) not a man?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDj.

What you are implying is, that Jesus could not have honoured his mother if he did not call her mother.

Jesus called her -woman-.

The scriptures are written, as if it contradict itself;but this is done for the wicked,so they can not understand.
But the true seekers,will understand,and can find no contradictions.

This should be so obvious to the true seekers,since Jesus was the word which is from everlasting,should not call mary;mother, for the word was the creator of mary.
So is the word, the creator of david.

Jesus honours all his bretheren and sisters; he never dishonoured any body.We need to honour Jesus too.
Jesus told them to honour their father and mother(not worship).It is obvious that jesus must give an example by honouring mary,and joseph and all.

The flesh came out of mary; but at the same time that flesh was spirit before it became flesh.And that spirit is from everlasting.Not many can put the finger on this mystery.
To you it has not been been revealed yet.

wakeup.

April 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm#292221

journey42

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Hi Bodhitharti

I have a question.

How does a western woman get drawn into the Muslim religion? Who goes out and convinces her that the Muslim religion is the one to follow? Is it the women, or the men that bring in followers?

Muslims don't seek to convert others through a certain method usually a person asks tem a question so for instance a woman well covered may be asked by a western woman why she does it or the purpose for it and this leads them to want to know more. Most women think a woman with a headscarf on is somehow being opressed but when the response is similar to explaining that a woman is like a special Jewel not for general display it becomes a beautiful thing.

Most women who do not understand the importance of dressing in a very conservative fashion don't realize the harm done to those around them. Men can hardly resist a beautiful women showing here figure and form openly and that's why we are all so obsessed with pornography and nudity in general if women felt to cover up is essential except when in your home we would have a lot less adultery, fornication and rape.

Hi Boditharta

Am I allowed to greet you by name in your religion?

Thank you for your answer. I appreciate that.

Jesus is our example. That's who we christians believe in as you know. We believe every word that he spoke was God speaking through him, and that he was not only the Son of God, but our example, without fault.
Jesus spoke to women. His very special friend was Mary Magdalene, whom he delivered. They would of talked.

and this happened as well

Luke 7:37 And behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment.

Luke 7:38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to was his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

Then the Pharisee when he saw it, spoke to himself and said if this man were a prophet, he would of known who and what manner of woman this is that touches him, for she is a sinner.

Luke 7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

Luke 7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman, since the time I came in, hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

Luke 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.

Now another example
John 4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink

John 4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat)
in other words, he was alone with the woman

John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou newest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink: thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
and so the story goes

My point is….that if Jesus, the Son of God, a man in the flesh before his resurrection, can have a woman wash his feet with her tears, and dry them with her hair, and he also speaks to another woman at the well without anyone else present, then it must be ok, for a man to speak with a woman. Why would Islam be above that? above Christ? More holier than Christ? I have these questions.

For it was a man that introduced me to the Holy Scriptures, to find my Lord, and till this day, I have not come across a woman who believes with all her heart to share with me knowledge regarding the scriptures. (for I am not a church goer) So if it wasn't for this man, that God chose to guide me to Christ, then I would still be in darkness. I only have brothers, not sisters, and they have do not act untoward to me, for our minds are set on spiritual matters. Truth. And Christ is our example, and showed us it was ok, for we are brothers and sisters if we come into the fold, and if not, then we still get a chance to make a choice. We are allowed to converse. Not everything is about sex and lust. Not all minds think that way, but if a woman is barely covered, then I understand your point, but your women are fully covered, and still can't speak to a man without her husband, or father present. How do men under Islam find wives?

April 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm#292228

bodhitharta

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