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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) Quote Jesus is sinless; and that you can not say about mohamad. Wrong comparison. Is Moses sinless? But still you must know that being forgiven for sin makes a person sinless, right? Otherwise even your belief that Jesus died for your sins would be wrong because if Jesus died for your sins either you are sinless or your sins are still upon you leaving the sacrifice to be pointless.
Hi BD,NO, right comparison! …Jesus remediated the covenant given by Moses. (see (Heb 9:15-22))
“the testator”(151) was “Jesus Christ”(151)
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.“Testament”(117) of (117)יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) = “God the Father”(117)
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law,
he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled
both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and [without shedding of blood is no remission of sins].B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Bodhitharta. God made a covenant with israel his first born,but they have broken the covenant by worshipping other gods.
Then God send his son to make a new covenant,but they(the jews) refused him and killed him,now the new covenant is made with all jews and gentiles. Who so ever accept Jesus as the saviuor,will be saved. We have not made any covenant with any one but with God and his son,the mediator between God and man,and that includes all that eccept him. (one mediator only).
First off if Israel is God's firstborn how can Ephraim be God's Firstborn especially when you believe that Jesus is the only one born of God? Second, do you think that Abraham was a Jew or a Christian? He was neither and Islam is the religion that follows the religion of Abraham
And who turns away from the religion of abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the religion of abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)Say: “(Allah) speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans.”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #95)Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take abraham for a friend.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #125)Quote We all have a father and a mother,but when Jesus said call no man your father, he is speaking about a spiritual father.
We all have one spiritual father.For we all came to being by him,he is creator of all.We are the CHILDREN of God for ever if we follow his commandments.We are the CHILDREN of the devil if we reject God.Then why do you accept Paul calling himself the father of those who accepted “his” Gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.Quote Why God also calls us slaves? Because we all must labour towards seeking righteousness. Then he will call us ,MY CHILDREN,come and inherit the kingdom,prepared for you. So first you insult others for being called the slaves of God and then you exalt yourself as a slave of God?
Quote What you need to do is to compere Mohamads life and teachings; and Jesus life and his teachings. No I shouldn't because Muhammad is like Moses not Jesus.
Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.Quote Jesus is sinless; and that you can not say about mohamad. Wrong comparison. Is Moses sinless? But still you must know that being forgiven for sin makes a person sinless, right? Otherwise even your belief that Jesus died for your sins would be wrong because if Jesus died for your sins either you are sinless or your sins are still upon you leaving the sacrifice to be pointless.
Quote Now which one would you rather follow?It is your own choice.
Jesus only died on the cross,and was resurrected on the 3th day. As he is resurrected so will we be( he is the first fruit),if we follow HIS commandments.[Quote]Lazarus was raised from the dead before Jesus and Elijah ascended to heaven alive before Jesus so which was he first in?
[Quote]If some other teachings contradict Jesus teachings; which one would you follow. We are free to make a choice.
You assume that the one wriiten first would be the right one but isn't it more likely with all information the latest info is more accurate didn't einstein come after newton and galileo?
Let me show you something you have never seen
Deuteronomy 21:15-16
King James Version (KJV)
15If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
Do you not know that this means that Ishmael was supposed to inherit the promise that was given to Isaac and God came through on that promise but guess what it was revealed afterwards.Ishmael was indeed the Firstborn
Quote Muslems have no prophet that speaks arabic,before mohamad. There are no muslems worshipping one God before mohamad.For they were worshipping many gods, after christs death.Mohamad brought them to worship one God,but only 1400yrs after Christ. There were none bowing to mecca to pray before mohamad,so the muslem religion is a new religion. The Muslim religion is the religion of Abraham it is the religion of submission that Jesus also followed for he submitted himself to God even to the point of death
Quote Many new religions has come up after christ,we must be careful. As I said it's not new it simply was reset by God because at the time of Muhammad Christians had already lost their way and Jews had already rejected the Messiah so who was going to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God when the Christians at that point started teaching God is 3 in 1, Mary is divine Jesus is God, Mary is the Mother of God and Queen of
Heaven, the proliferation of Statues in the churches and objects of worship … etc. The Jews were not even speaking to the rest of the world inviting the world to know God as they were chosen to do so the message was gone, lost and so many people with no one to teach them about God and so God sent down the Quran. Muhammad destroyed all the countless Idols and converted Pagans truly this is th work of The Lord. All praises due to God.Quote Many false prophet will come in the last days and say that I am Christ,but deceiving the many. Exactly but you do not have that description in Muhammad
Quote We must take heed; this is a warning by our Lord.
we must take this warning seriously if we are serious about worshipping God.Yes, please take it seriously Muhammad was sent by God th the Quran for all mankind
Quote You take care bro, God bless you!
wakeup.
Bodhitharta.Ex.4:22. Israel is Gods first born, he created that nation in egypt. The 12 sons of Jacob(also called israel).
Ephraim is Gods first born created in Israel(the samaritans).
Jesus is Gods first born of the dead.(the first one resurected).
He also is Gods only BEGOTTEN son.Abraham is not called a jew because the nation israel was not at that time.(jew= the tribe of judah).
Ishmael is not of the 12 tribe of israel. Ishmael became the arab speaking nations. The ishmaelites merchants bought and sold Joseph to the egyptians.
What was Abrahams religion? Who were his followers?
He only had one son with him(isaac).
Isaac begat Esau and Jacob(also named isreal; by God).Where was this so called religion of submission been practised for 430 yrs, before Moses? Then again did Moses practise the religion of submission?
Did not the gentiles in Moses days worship many Gods?
Where was the religion of submission practised? Can you name some the prophets of submission before mohamad?Can you show us the book of this religion,what is it called?(not the qur'an).wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi EdGod's Word is alive Ed. It comes from God's breath. God commands and his Word obeys. God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi Ed(1)God's Word is alive Ed. (2)It comes from God's breath. (3)God commands and his Word obeys. (4)God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. (5)He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. (6)I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. (7)God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, (8)for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Hi Journey42,You probably won't look up theses verses anyways,
but I still must give them as proof! (see 1Thess 5:21)1) Yes, God's word is “Spirit”. (see Kohn 6:63)
2) Yes.
3) God's command is his word. (Psalms 68:11)
4) Scripture please?
5) Nope, his word became flesh at Jordan. (see Acts 10:38)
6) Conceived, NOT created. (see Matt.1:20)
7) The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28) (see also Luke 8:11)
8) The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spiritYour brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)journey42,April wrote:[/quote]
Hi EdQuote God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Look, this doesn't sound right, what I said. I retract my statement. God commanded and the child was conceived.
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,22:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Hi Ed God can transform his Word into whatever he likes.
Hi Journey42,Scripture please?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42, were you referring to this verse…Isaiah 55:11 My word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,22:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi Ed(1)God's Word is alive Ed. (2)It comes from God's breath. (3)God commands and his Word obeys. (4)God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. (5)He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. (6)I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. (7)God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, (8)for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Hi Journey42,You probably won't look up theses verses anyways,
but I still must give them as proof! (see 1Thess 5:21)1) Yes, God's word is “Spirit”. (see Kohn 6:63)
2) Yes.
3) God's command is his word. (Psalms 68:11)
4) Scripture please?
5) Nope, his word became flesh at Jordan. (see Acts 10:38)
6) Conceived, NOT created. (see Matt.1:20)
7) The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28) (see also Luke 8:11)
8) The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spiritGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Your question num.4.asking for scripture.
Answer: mat.3:9.Think not to say within your selves,we have Abraham to our father: For I say unto you,that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.Your question5.His word became flesh at jordan.
Answer: Jesus was born in bethlehem(house of bread),not by the river Jordan. He was anointed there.
Jesus was made flesh in the womb of a woman,by the will of God his father,and he was anointed at Jordan.What was Jesus before he was babtised? Was he not flesh?
Can you tell me?question6. Conceived,not created.
Answer: Any baby that comes out of the woman is a new creation. A new creature is born.
All MADE by the word is a creature,and the word was MADE flesh.Watch for the leaven of the scribes.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) No I shouldn't because Muhammad is like Moses not Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Hi BD,Trying to force the bible to substantiate the 'book of fraud' WON'T WORK!
No more Prophets were born once John started Baptizing at Jordan!(Luke 16:16) “The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached”I've told you this in almost EVERY THREAD!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Ed, don't you think you are being a bit harsh?
Bodhitharta has genuine questions.
and he's raised some good questions, that don't make sense to him.
It's up to us to answer his questions with truth, not attack.
We are all learning from these questions, and searching a little deeper.
Love must still continue. No matter what.
Do not have respect of persons
love all men, and let peace rule, regardless of their beliefs.Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,22:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Hi Ed God can transform his Word into whatever he likes.
Hi Journey42,Scripture please?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42, were you referring to this verse…Isaiah 55:11 My word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EdNo I wasn't referring to that verse, but that verse is excellent. I was just saying that God being all powerful, can do anything as he pleases. He transformed his Word into Michelzidek didn't he? Without mother or father…
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[/b]Hebrews 7:2[/b] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace.
[/b]Hebrews 7:3[/b] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life: but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.
[/b]Hebrews 7:4[/b] Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
He appeared out of nowhere, with no mother or father, and was so great, that even Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils to. He was the King of Righeousness, and King of Peace. Does this sound like someone to you? Can you see what God can do with his Word? But this Word transformed into Melchisedek, was not born and did not die, so he must of been spirit (the Word) transformed into a man. A king in fact. And who was this King ruling over? He was ruling over Righeousness and Peace. Not people.
THAT PROPHET
Deuteronomy 18:15
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken.Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.Deuteronomy 18:19
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him.> “That Prophet” will be raised up from the midst of the Jews (their brethren).
> Muhammad was not raised up from amidst the Jews…he was raised up amidst the Arabs.> “That Prophet” will be of thy brethren (Jewish)
> Muhammad was not Jewish.These simple truths alone prove that Muhammad is not, nor could ever be “That Prophet” without even needing to go into deeper scriptural detail.
Thank you.
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) And who turns away from the religion of abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)
Hi BD,Who is 'we'? …does this 'al-Lah' of yours have a partner?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Who is the “Us” in genesis? You think he was talking to Jesus don't you. Do you thing God has a heavenly host who he talks to? TheBible has God talking with His heavenly host1 Kings 22:19-20
And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.20And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
I must ask you, do you think the Angels have nothing to do? Why is God saying “Who shall persuade Ahab”? when God asks that question He is saying “We need to pusuade Ahab”
sometimes you do not think. Do you even know what the word Angel means?
Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2012,00:38) EDJ. Your question5.His word became flesh at jordan.
Answer: (A)Jesus was born in bethlehem(house of bread),not by the river Jordan. (B)He was anointed there.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,A) Where he was born parallels the verse that says:
“I am the bread which came down from heaven.” (John 6:4)B) That is where Jesus became “The Christ”, and
where “The Word”(HolySpirit) first became flesh.the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) …”The Word”(HolySpirit) first became flesh in Jesus.
compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18) …”The Word”(HolySpirit) then becomes flesh in us.The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,00:53) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) No I shouldn't because Muhammad is like Moses not Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Hi BD,Trying to force the bible to substantiate the 'book of fraud' WON'T WORK!
No more Prophets were born once John started Baptizing at Jordan!(Luke 16:16) “The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached”I've told you this in almost EVERY THREAD!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Ed, don't you think you are being a bit harsh?
Bodhitharta has genuine questions.
and he's raised some good questions, that don't make sense to him.
It's up to us to answer his questions with truth, not attack.
We are all learning from these questions, and searching a little deeper.
Love must still continue. No matter what.
Do not have respect of persons
love all men, and let peace rule, regardless of their beliefs.
Hi Journey42,You are new to discussing with BD: “The Bible” and our God (YHVH),
but I on the other hand have been discussing the bible and
our God (YHVH) with BD for almost 2 1/2 years now.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Devolution @ April 12 2012,02:25) THAT PROPHET Deuteronomy 18:15
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken.Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.Deuteronomy 18:19
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him.> “That Prophet” will be raised up from the midst of the Jews (their brethren).
> Muhammad was not raised up from amidst the Jews…he was raised up amidst the Arabs.> “That Prophet” will be of thy brethren (Jewish)
> Muhammad was not Jewish.These simple truths alone prove that Muhammad is not, nor could ever be “That Prophet” without even needing to go into deeper scriptural detail.
Thank you.
Wrong again the Arabs and Jews are brethren they are both semetic and they are both rooted in Abraham therefore they are brethren besides that Jesus certainly was not of their brethren because he was sent by God and had no Jewish Father or seed and he was not like Moses at all. We know that Prophet wasn't John the BaptistJohn 1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Now ED claims there were no more prophets after John the Baptist so who would “that Prophet” be? If Jesus was the Last Jewish Prophet and Jesus said
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.Well how could that happen without a Prophet?
we know that the gentiles do not qualify because they are not a people
Deuteronomy 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people[/Quote]; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.Muhammad was sent to a People with a message for all Mankind just like the Jews
Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,01:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,22:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Hi Ed God can transform his Word into whatever he likes.
Hi Journey42,Scripture please?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42, were you referring to this verse…Isaiah 55:11 My word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EdNo I wasn't referring to that verse, but that verse is excellent. I was just saying that God being all powerful, can do anything as he pleases. He transformed his Word into Michelzidek didn't he? Without mother or father…
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[/b]Hebrews 7:2[/b] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace.
[/b]Hebrews 7:3[/b] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life: but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.
[/b]Hebrews 7:4[/b] Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
He appeared out of nowhere, with no mother or father, and was so great, that even Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils to. He was the King of Righeousness, and King of Peace. Does this sound like someone to you? Can you see what God can do with his Word? But this Word transformed into Melchisedek, was not born and did not die, so he must of been spirit (the Word) transformed into a man. A king in fact. And who was this King ruling over? He was ruling over Righeousness and Peace. Not people.
Hi Journey42,Melchisedec was “Shem”, as recorded in “The book of Jasher” (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi EdGod's Word is alive Ed. It comes from God's breath. God commands and his Word obeys. God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Did you say “God's seed”? God is a Spirit and you actually believe that God literally impregnated a woman physically so you believe that God did this:Genesis 6:2
King James Version (KJV)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
You believe that's how Jesus was conceived? God came in unto Mary?
She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47)In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)God doesn't need a seed to Manifest he Just says “Be” and it is and that is what happened Jesus was “BE” gotten
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:18) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) And who turns away from the religion of abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)
Hi BD,Who is 'we'? …does this 'al-Lah' of yours have a partner?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Who is the “Us” in genesis? You think he was talking to Jesus don't you. Do you thing God has a heavenly host who he talks to? TheBible has God talking with His heavenly host1 Kings 22:19-20
And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.20And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
I must ask you, do you think the Angels have nothing to do? Why is God saying “Who shall persuade Ahab”? when God asks that question He is saying “We need to pusuade Ahab”
sometimes you do not think. Do you even know what the word Angel means?
Hi BD,All Christians know that 'Muhammad' is a 'false prophet'.
Most still have not yet realized that he is THE 'false prophet'
mentioned in Rev.13:11; and that the quran is the number 666!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,05:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:18) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) And who turns away from the religion of abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)
Hi BD,Who is 'we'? …does this 'al-Lah' of yours have a partner?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Who is the “Us” in genesis? You think he was talking to Jesus don't you. Do you thing God has a heavenly host who he talks to? TheBible has God talking with His heavenly host1 Kings 22:19-20
And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.20And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
I must ask you, do you think the Angels have nothing to do? Why is God saying “Who shall persuade Ahab”? when God asks that question He is saying “We need to pusuade Ahab”
sometimes you do not think. Do you even know what the word Angel means?
Hi BD,All Christians know that 'Muhammad' is a 'false prophet'.
Most still have not yet realized that he is THE 'false prophet'
mentioned in Rev.13:11; and that the quran is the number 666!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDNo, they don't and they have no information that says it to be true. How can the Quran be a man? 666 is the number of a man not a book
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