I felt the need to prove the “trinity” doctrine wrong. Please read on.
Ep 4:4 “There is one body and one SPIRIT, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
verse5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
verse 6 one GOD and father of all, who is above all, and through all. and in [you] all.”
Yes I just found out about this verse of Scripture that says that proves that God and Father of all works his spirit through all and that Jesus is Lord and Savior of mankind that seems to indicate that he is God as well.
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Quote (pastormg @ July 03 2007,03:09)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (THEOS) and the Word was God (THEOS).”
This Bible verse does indicate that Jesus (the Word) is God. Where does that leave us then? There is no trinity, proven.
Ep 4:4 “There is one body and one SPIRIT, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
verse5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
verse 6 one GOD and father of all, who is above all, and through all. and in [you] all.”
But Jesus is God.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (THEOS) and the Word was God (THEOS).”
Or ‘the Word was God.” This is past tense indicating that Jesus at one point in time was in Unity with “with God.”
Then after he was born of the virgin….
John 1:14 (New International Version)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
He became “our” Lord and “our” Savior. This is compared to God the Father who is “the” Lord, keyword “the”.
God considers Jesus to be one with him, correct? Therefore God the Father shares his power and Glory with his Son.
15 For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. 17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[f] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
*Note that these verses are all very important but this one seems to indicate that there is an important place of postion, power and glory granted Jesus, with him being at “his right hand” or the Father’s right hand. A cooperative sharing of God the Father’s glory, authority, and position with his Son
18 I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.
* One more thing. My last sentence in my last post my have been a bit confusing to some so forgive me. God the Father is “the” Lord of all and sense God had Jesus do the work of saving mankind for him, I have come to think that God the Father considers him to be “our” [mankinds’] Lord as opposed to “the” Lord. Jesus was the one that suffered on the Cross for “our” sins so having done so, that makes him “our” Lord and “our” Savior. “The Good sheperd” of mankind.
