If Jesus is divine, does that make him God?

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God’s nature is divine his essence is spirit

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Divine nature pertaining to Jesus Christ and the children of God

But scripture says that we can share in God’s nature so all the more Jesus Christ who after all has a body now that we will have. We will be like him. So if Jesus Christ is God because he has divine nature, then why aren’t we God by reason of participating in the same divine nature?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Connecting the dots, most will agree that we are not God and never will we be God.

Was Jesus God or a man?

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus existing in the form of God doesn’t make him God, rather that his nature is of God. We also read that Jesus emptied himself, but of what did he empty himself of? many think it was his foreknowledge and divine nature because he took on flesh or human nature and became a man being born like us and having to grow as a baby, to a child, then an adult. We do know right now that Jesus is at the right-hand of God in the glory he had with him even before creation itself. So it seems he was with God, came to Earth, and is back with God.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Conclusion

Divine nature doesn’t make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you God. Yes God is spirit, but angels are spirits and they are not God. What we do know is this:

Jesus Christ existed with God before the world began as the Word While he shared in divine nature with God, he emptied himself and became a man, even a baby who had to learn how to walk and talk like the rest of us. Providing the perfect sacrifice for our sins through his death, he is now with God at his righthand side in the glory he had with him before the world began. Now we who are in the flesh can be born of the Spirit and participate in this divine nature because Christ died for us.

We need to understand that there is a difference between being God who has divine nature and being a son who shares in divine nature. And chief among the sons of God is the Son of God himself who reflects the fullness of God’s nature and glory.

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  • #796900
    DavidL
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    DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS THAT DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST..
    “See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority.” – Colossians 2:9,10

    “Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?” – Galatians 3:3

    “The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.” – 1 Corinthians 2:14

    No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.” – 1 John 2:24

    For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.” – 1 Timothy 1:7

    “But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” – 2 Timothy 3:13,14

    “Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge.” – 1 Timothy 6:20

    “..hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception..” – Titus 1:9

    COME BACK TO THE PURE WORD OF GOD..

     

     

     

     

    #796901
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidh,

    So the fullness of Deity was in Jesus.

    I agree.

     

    A wonderful vessel for God to use for His purposes.

    The flesh contributes nothing.

     

    So leave the folly of trinity behind.

    #796907
    DavidL
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    So the fullness of Deity was in Jesus.

    I agree.

    don’t deceive yourself..

    the fullness of Deity IS in Jesus.. Who IS the Head over all rule and authority..!!

     

    You deny the Son – therefore you have not the Father..

    give up your useless arguments.

    #796926
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    It seems you are the one into self deception.

    IN Jesus means just that.

     

    And I do not deny the son of God.

    Perhaps you do when you elevate him to be his own god?

     

    #796927
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    don’t deceive yourself..
    the fullness of Deity IS in Jesus.. Who IS the Head over all rule and authority..!!
    You deny the Son – therefore you have not the Father..
    give up your useless arguments.

    Who is closer to the one denying the son?

    1) The one who says he is God
    2) The one who says he is OF God, the IMAGE of God, the Firstborn of all creation

    ?

    #796928
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL

    If you are a son of God, then if you told me you were God, then you would not by your definition be a son of God right.
    Its the same simple truth with Jesus Christ. He is the son of God, so therefore he is not God, but his son.
    He is the one that God made both Lord and Christ.
    How about confessing that now. All will do that eventually. The earlier the better.

    #796929
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL
    Jesus as the son of the living God and the messiah is a sure foundational truth that you can build your faith upon.
    But if you build upon another foundation, your works will fall when that foundation falls and all foundations not of God will crumble.

    Trust in the words of Peter when he said, “You are the son of the Living God and the Messiah”. Do not trust the philosophers who came up with doctrines outside of what is called, ‘Simplicity in Christ’. They will lead you astray with vain imaginations and so-called intellectual thought. They have become fools in God’s sight.

    You are simply required to believe and know the Jesus who is the son of God and the messiah and his Father and God who is our Father and God. It is not hard. Do not complicate things. That leads to error. Keep it simple and keep it scriptural.

    #796930
    Proclaimer
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    @AndrewAD

    On the subject of who and what Christ Jesus is we can read it for ourselves. Many will deny this when you repeat it, but it is a scriptural truth about Jesus Christ. You can’t go wrong by accepting what is written below.

    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Many are the excuses for denying this.

    #796948
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi davidl,

    Scripture repeats the concept of God being IN Christ.

     

    God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world to himself. 2cor 5.19

    So does that make Christ GOD?

     

    Again

    God is at work IN YOU to will and to do.[phil 2.13]

    Does that make YOU GOD?

     

    It was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to DWELL IN HIM and through him to reconcile all things to Himself Col 1.18

     

    Please take care with the sacred words

    #796949
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes the Word was God.

    #796950
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes the Word was God.

    #796951
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God.

    So the simple understanding of this to you is that an anointed man was a godly being?

    No we have the geneology of Jesus written in mat 1.

     

    So it has a spiritual meaning.

     

    John said he had touched THE WORD.

    John spoke of Word that was with God and was God.

    This is the geneology of the Spirit of Christ.

     

    The flesh contributes nothing.

    #797140
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    You are simply required to believe and know the Jesus who is the son of God and the messiah and his Father and God who is our Father and God. It is not hard. Do not complicate things. That leads to error. Keep it simple and keep it scriptural.

    You don’t fool me one bit with your nice scriptural platitudes…saying all the ‘right’ things about your little jesus like every cult deceiver in sheep’s garb.. peddling your own anti-trinity teaching that effectively denies the very thing you ‘claim’ to promote – Jesus Christ the Son of GOD..!!

    I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” – try confessing that one…!!!!

    #797149
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Trinity is not taught in scripture

    So if you are peddling it you are peddling ERROR.

    #797853
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL

    “I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” – try confessing that one…!!!!

    I confess that Jesus and the Father are one. I also confess that we can be one and one with both the Father and the Son.

    Can you confess our oneness I wonder?

    #797854
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes the Word was God.

    Was the Word THE God?

    #797857
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS THAT DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST..
    “See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority.” – Colossians 2:9,10

    But you twist this to mean that Jesus is God. If the fullness of humanity dwelt in me, does that make me Adam or adam?

    You need to know the difference between identity and nature. If you confuse them, then all nature becomes identity, such as Jesus is God and Eve is Adam.

    Nature is one thing, identity another. While God is divine, we can share in that divine nature. But we are not God because of that.

    #798267
    DavidL
    Participant

    AGAIN – DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE DEITY OF CHRIST..

    CHRIST IS BOTH GOD AND MAN

    thus in His own Being, He bridges the gap BETWEEN humanity and Divinity..

     

    Because the Son is One with the Father in His Deity (with God as God) – we as branches can partake of that divine nature..

    this doesn’t make us God – it makes us Christ-like

    we become sons through THE Son – receiving THE DIVINE NATURE OF THE SON.

    For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him..”

    #798269
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Scripture says

    God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

    But you say God was in God??

    Jesus is a man. acts 2.22 1 tim 2.5

     

    The vine is similar to the branches but not that similar to the vinedresser.

    #798270
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    I think you are so entrenched in your view that Jesus IS a deity, rather than what scripture says that the fullness of deity was in him

    that you are frightened of divine retaliation if you imagine otherwise.

    But scripture is truth. “Thy Word is truth'”

    There is no fear in love.

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