If Jesus is divine, does that make him God?

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God’s nature is divine his essence is spirit

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Divine nature pertaining to Jesus Christ and the children of God

But scripture says that we can share in God’s nature so all the more Jesus Christ who after all has a body now that we will have. We will be like him. So if Jesus Christ is God because he has divine nature, then why aren’t we God by reason of participating in the same divine nature?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Connecting the dots, most will agree that we are not God and never will we be God.

Was Jesus God or a man?

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus existing in the form of God doesn’t make him God, rather that his nature is of God. We also read that Jesus emptied himself, but of what did he empty himself of? many think it was his foreknowledge and divine nature because he took on flesh or human nature and became a man being born like us and having to grow as a baby, to a child, then an adult. We do know right now that Jesus is at the right-hand of God in the glory he had with him even before creation itself. So it seems he was with God, came to Earth, and is back with God.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Conclusion

Divine nature doesn’t make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you God. Yes God is spirit, but angels are spirits and they are not God. What we do know is this:

Jesus Christ existed with God before the world began as the Word While he shared in divine nature with God, he emptied himself and became a man, even a baby who had to learn how to walk and talk like the rest of us. Providing the perfect sacrifice for our sins through his death, he is now with God at his righthand side in the glory he had with him before the world began. Now we who are in the flesh can be born of the Spirit and participate in this divine nature because Christ died for us.

We need to understand that there is a difference between being God who has divine nature and being a son who shares in divine nature. And chief among the sons of God is the Son of God himself who reflects the fullness of God’s nature and glory.

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  • #792115
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    The voice of Jesus includes the words of the Spirit.

    God is Spirit

    But the flesh contributes nothing

    Even if we once did we no longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.[2cor 5.16f]

    #792120
    DavidL
    Participant

    yes, but He existed before His incarnation

    #792126
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Certainly the Word was with God.

    But Jesus was not in the beginning with God.

    #792130
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    is God a Lamb?

    #792132
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    To receive Jesus you must be baptised into him in his name

    Gal3.27

    For all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed yourself with him”

     

    and it requires that he comes to live in us too by the Spirit

    Gal4.19

    ‘My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you..”

    #792140
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    2 cor 3.17

    ‘Now the Lord is the Spirit..’

    How does this fit with your funny trinity idea??

    #792141
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Of course the voice of the Spirit is the voice of the Lord.

    The Lord is the Spirit.

     

    How could anyone imagine the Spirit is a person separate from the Father and the Son?

    #792143
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Of course the trinity doctrine only exists in the imaginations of men who do not see what is written

    but think they can see something else written between the lines.

    #792146
    DavidL
    Participant

    Certainly the Word was with God.

    But Jesus was not in the beginning with God.

    Jesus IS the Word – Revelation 19:13

    He [not it] was with God in the beginning” – John 1:2

    “Now, Father, glorify Me [Jesus speaking] together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” – John 17:5

     

    Let Scripture interpret Scripture – then you’ll not be deceived by the teachings of men.

     

    #792148
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    John was a man of the Spirit.

    He recognised the Word living in Jesus.

    That Word was with God and had glory with God.

     

     

    Rev 19 does not say Jesus is the Word, but he did become the Word at the Jordan.

    The Word was made flesh.

     

    Fleshly men focus only on the flesh and cannot hear the Spirit.

     

    Even if we once did we know longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.

    Flesh contributes nothing

    #792150
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Can you hear the voice of the Spirit in the words of Jesus?

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.

    #792151
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Jesus became a life giving Spirit.

    The Word.

    #792153
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You do recognise when Jesus is speaking but do not discern the source of those words

    He told you where they come from but you are slow to believe him.

     

    Even demons spoke through their victims as with the man in the graveyard but you still do not see it.

    #792157
    DavidL
    Participant

    Discussion with you is futile if you are not born again.

    This is the starting point in understanding the things of the Spirit.

    “The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.” – 1 Cor. 2:14

    #792160
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Did the Spirit teach you about the trinity?

    Then it should be written somewhere-but it isn’t.

    Be faithful to God and discard the folly of men. One master.

    #792163
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Yes davidl,

    You have your god

    but it is not the God of the bible.

    #792164
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    As a Christian, DavidL believes Jesus is the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world!
    You, as a muslim DO NOT – so What are even doing trying to represent what God says when you do not?

    Ed you have no idea what a Muslim is nor do you understand or comprehend the mission of Jesus

    #792165
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    ED, DavidL

    Who was Jesus sent to?

    #792175
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    The wonderful thing about the Spirit of Christ is that the work continues by that Spirit in his followers from the time of his death until now. Not that it is highly visible as there are few chosen.

    And the opportunity to be saved is still there

    Acts 2.37-9

    #792326
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes DavidL, Yeshua existed in the form of God as the Word that was with God. The Second Century Father’s taught that he was the first to be with God and that he has first place in all things. They taught this as a result of how they viewed John 1:1 and other scriptures.

    If Jesus was not the first to be with God, then the logical question to ask is who was? And if not him, then the one who was first would be special right. The only begotten. The first-born.

    However, this is very different to him always existing as God as the Catholic Faith states. What is written is that his Father is God and believing this is part of the true faith.

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