Are there two Spirits or One?

The Holy Spirit is a spirit, but is the Father also a spirit?

Well we know that the Father is God and God is spirit. The Father is the Father of all spirits and life. The Father is also the father of our Lord Jesus Christ? But the gospels tell us that the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and because of this, the child was to be called the Son of God. So who is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father or the Holy Spirit?

Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

The answer is that both are the father if the Trinity Doctrine is to be believed. However, I will demonstrate that the Spirit of God is the Father’s own spirit and is not another person as many believe.

1 Peter 1:14-16
Be obedient to God, and do not allow your lives to be shaped by those desires you had when you were still ignorant. Instead, be holy in all that you do, just as God who called you is holy. The scripture says, “Be holy because I am holy.”

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

So God is holy and God is a spirit, thus he can be described as a holy spirit. However, we are also taught that there is one spirit, so God is more correctly called ‘the Holy Spirit’, not as one holy spirit among two or many. If the Trinity Doctrine were true, then there would be two Spirits, the Father and the Holy Spirit. But scripture tells us there is but one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Further, scripture clearly says that “The LORD is the Spirit”, thus the Father who is God is the Spirit. Most agree that the Father is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit took part in his conception with Mary. If the Holy Spirit was another person, then Jesus would have two fathers, the Father and the Holy Spirit. That is if the Trinity Doctrine was a true doctrine.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Also, if God is Spirit and he imparts his spirit into redeemed vessels, and if he will eventually be in all and through all, then that would suggest that God the Father will inhabit all by his own spirit. And we know he is the God of the living not the dead, so his spirit is life and the source of all life for his creation and also for his son. So creation is not inhabited by two spirits but one, that is God’s own spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:28
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.

Finally, we are taught in scripture that he is the Father of spirits.

Hebrews 12:9
Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!

For me I think of this in this way.

Q: Who is God?
A: The Father?

Q: What is God?
A: He is spirit

God is the Father and God is the Holy Spirit. This is not two persons but two aspects of the same God. While God is in heaven, he can inhabit all creation by his own spirit. Just as the sun is located in the centre of the Solar System, its rays shine out to all the Solar System. Similarly, our Heavenly Father can inhabit all creation by his spirit. However as an aside, God’s own creation is not even big enough to contain him. He exists outside the cosmos too.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!

So God the Father can inhabit his creation by his own spirit.

This also makes sense when we read the following:

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

It is worse to speak against the Spirit than it is against the Son. This demonstrates to us that God is above the son and even his Spirit is above his son because the Spirit of God is God and the son of God is the Son and we know that the head of Christ is God in the same way that the head of man is Christ.

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July 20, 2015 at 2:24 pm#801179
AndrewAD
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You don’t see the president of your country? do you not have a tv? even if you don’t your president is a flesh being that can be seen unlike Christ who we know after the flesh no more says St Paul. He is not seen as normal people are seen.
And who do you think you’re fooling by claiming Mary is a seed of David when the bible claims no such thing.Both geneologies of Christ in the bible are through Joseph. Have you been listening to false apologists like Dr Michael Brown?
July 20, 2015 at 3:55 pm#801183
kerwin
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AndrewAD,
Jesus ascended to heaven in a flesh and bone body.
He is the human being that serves as the mediator between humanity and God.
“knowing Christ after the flesh” is knowing him after the sinful nature and not after the Spirit. (2 Corinthians 5:12-18)
July 21, 2015 at 12:07 pm#801194
AndrewAD
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Kerwin,
2Cor 5:12-18 refers not to “sinful flesh” as you say but as to knowing Jesus as a physical man.And even Paul never knew Jesus personally in the flesh.And Paul in his teachings claims Jesus is a spirit and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,when referring to the resurrection.
How do you know Jesus? have you met him physically? or with your sinful nature? or do you just think you know him in your mind?
July 21, 2015 at 5:33 pm#801204
kerwin
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AndrewAD,
Many know Jesus after the flesh as it is only Spiritual humans that know him after the Spirit.
In knowing Jesus after the flesh Paul persecuted Christians but in knowing him after the Spirit he preached the gospel.
I hope to learn to know him better after the Spirit and less after the flesh.
July 21, 2015 at 5:52 pm#801205
kerwin
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AndrewAD,
Matthew tells the generation of Jesus Christ from Joseph’s point of view. (Matthew 2:13) The genealogy in there is his.
Luke tells the generation of Jesus Christ from Mary’s point of view.(Luke 2:51) The genealogy in there is hers.
Mary, a daughter of David through Nathan married Joseph a son of David through Solomon.
I had never heard the claim that both genealogies are for Joseph before.
Romans 1:3 teaches us that Jesus was made of the seed of David, as the flesh, and Galatians 4:4 teaches us he was made of a woman. Since Marry is the woman he was made of it follow that she is also called the Seed he is made of.
July 21, 2015 at 11:08 pm#801217
Proclaimer
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T8,
Did you misspeak when you said “I worship Jesus as the son of God”?
I know the AV of the KJV uses worship in reference to Jesus and King David but unless the meaning of the word has changed over time that is a mistaken translation.
I also know your English is slightly different than mine as I live in a different country.
Here is what I am saying.
… Then the men in the boat began to worship Jesus, saying,
“You certainly are the Son of God!” …
… When God was about to send his firstborn Son into the world,
he said, “All of God’s angels must worship him.” …
Thus I am saying I do the same as the disciples, but I pointed out that the word ‘worship’ has a number of different meanings, such as honour, bow down, worship.
I then say I honour Jesus as the son of God and if I worship him, it is as honour to the son of God, not as God himself . The same with the Lamb of God.
… and crying with a great voice, saying, ‘The salvation is to Him who is
sitting upon the throne — to our God, and to the Lamb!’ …
Your post led me to believe you hardly read what I was saying before you gave a critique.

July 22, 2015 at 2:37 pm#801260
princess
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Andrew has no point at all says terraricca? Well if we honour God and honour Jesus and according to T8 we can also honour King David and other saints in the same way then I hear a faint cry from Rome calling us home.

Andrew Catholic’s can hear Rome clear as a bell.
July 22, 2015 at 2:53 pm#801262
princess
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T8 is it wrong to love two the same, to be before your savior, I get it, honor to each in their own right. Warriors do such things.
July 22, 2015 at 3:15 pm#801265
Proclaimer
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It’s not wrong to honour more than one. We are told to honour our parents. Its just that we do not honour them as God. Pretty simple really. Why is this even a debate? I honour my mother as my mother, Jesus as the son of God, and the Father as the Almighty.
July 22, 2015 at 3:50 pm#801271
AndrewAD
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Princess, apparently T8 hears those bells too by saying we can “honour” or worship saints in the same way as Christ
July 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm#801272
AndrewAD
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Kerwin,
You never heard both geneaologies are through Joseph before? you should read Luke for yourself then instead of being so seduced by the whore and her slut daughters teachings.
July 22, 2015 at 4:32 pm#801274
kerwin
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AndrewAD,
I have been a member of both the Seventh Day Adventist and Church of Christ and heard their teachings. I have looked at others and never heard what you claim out if the mouth of those that claim they were Christians. If I think about it someone mentioned it in passing in something I read.
Perhaps I have cultural bias but calling a man’s son-in-law his son is nothing new under the sun.
I actually looked and found a cometary that Jewish custom is remove the mother’s name and put the father’s in its stead so it seems they are similar to my culture.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
ere His real, there His reputed line—explain the statement about Joseph, that he was “the son of Hell,” to mean that he was his son-in-law, as the husband of his daughter Mary (as in Ru 1:11, 12), and believe that Joseph’s name is only introduced instead of Mary’s, in conformity with the Jewish custom in such tables.
July 22, 2015 at 4:38 pm#801276
AndrewAD
Participant
Oh yes Kerwin believe the silly commentaries instead of what the bible actually says! that makes you holy indeed!
July 22, 2015 at 4:42 pm#801277
AndrewAD
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Dear Princess,
Why should you trust the twisted logic of all this religious philosophizing when you can come home to Rome and have your girly God.You can have your bread and eat it too.
July 22, 2015 at 5:03 pm#801279
kerwin
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AndrewAD,
Oh yes Kerwin believe the silly commentaries instead of what the bible actually says! that makes you holy indeed!
Only foolish humans do not seek to correctly understand God’s word. The culture of the period of the time when a book is written is critical to understanding it correctly.
It would not be needed if we had not forgotten so much.
July 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm#801281
AndrewAD
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One need only to read it as it is written quite plainly concerning our topic.It’s you and your commentaries who add to what it plainly says in order to make it fit your theology. It’s you who are foolish quite simply.
July 22, 2015 at 5:21 pm#801282
AndrewAD
Participant
Can you explain it in Greek to make it say what you want? and was Nathan the son of David that the prophecies speak of? No! plain and simple
July 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm#801284
kerwin
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Andrew,
The English is fine but it is the practices of the Jews of that day that confuse the issue of those that lack knowledge. Swapping out the name of the wife for the husband and calling him the son of her father may confuse those whose culture does not have the concept. Even then the fact that Luke is writing Mary’s story of Jesus’ generation and youth is a large clue it is her genealogy and not that of her husband.
The sad thing is that their are ignorant and corrupt teachers that know that know but instead use the lack of knowledge of their students to mislead them.
It really should not be a controversial issue.
July 22, 2015 at 10:33 pm#801285
kerwin
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AndrewAd,
I can make a strong case that Solomon’s line is not the genetic line of the Anointed. Since it is Joseph’s line it follows it still has some connection to the the Messiah.
I can also make the case that God has not always chosen a decedent of the last king to make the next king of though he kept the crown in the line of Solomon.
I can also make the case that Solomon angered the Lord so much that ten of the tribes of Israel were removed from him and his descendants while the same is not true of Nathan.
The bottom line in Joseph claimed Jesus as his son as he was a miracle gift from God and to a devout follower of God that would be enough to secure his legitimacy as king. The genetic descent established only that he was a genetic descendant of David.
July 23, 2015 at 8:38 am#801297
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
Should you judge the strength of your own case?
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