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It was after listening to a debate on the Trinity I decided to study it out.I was trinitarian myself but after hearing the debate which was with a modalist,I felt somehow that neither were correct.It was then,at the end of June that I found this article”Testing the Trinity”on the old website after doing a google search on how the trinity doctrine came about.I bookmarked it and read and reread it for an entire weekend and refer to it still. It really opened my eyes and I appreciate the spirit in which it was written.

I’ve argued with JW’s a few times through the years who make some of the same points but always seemed to denigrate Christ.This article didn’t turn me off but brought conviction of the truth that was hard to deny.
After years of attending churches on and off but not reading the Bible,I now am in love with God,Jesus Christ,and His word once again.
Thanks for the courage and conviction to share the truth in love.

Andrew AD

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  • #799730
    Proclaimer
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    DavidL, the Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

    The Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with your confusing dogma.

    John 15:26
    “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

    The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

    #799782
    DavidL
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    t8

    John 15:26
    “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness about Me.”

    The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father

    The Son proceeds from the Father

    And yet they are obviously Both seen in Scripture as separate to the Father..!!

     

    It’s so simple really if you stop bashing your head around…

    The Three are One – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit..

    You cannot have One without the Other Two… a Unit of Three or – ‘Tri-Unity’

    Dare I say it – Trinity.

    #799802
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    When the Spirit proceeds from the Father does the Spirit become SEPARATE from the Father?

    If God pours out His Spirit is He diminished?

    #799821
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    DavidL, for as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. The son is begotten of God, the spirit proceeds from God who is the Father

    Try to think of the sun and the rays of the sun. The rays can be here on Earth while the Sun is up in the heavens. However, if the sun was able to begat something like the Earth, it is no longer the sun, but a planet.

    Jesus is clearly the son of God. The Spirit is the spirit of the Father.

    There is the Father and Son. Knowing them is eternal life.

    #799960
    DavidL
    Participant

    Yes – you’re nearly there t8..

    See how the Three are One in Unity…!!!

    #799965
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Nearly able to swallow your heresy?

    No for us there is one God. Have you got two or three?

    #800030
    DavidL
    Participant

    Do you not yet know the Father and the Son
    in the One Holy Spirit?

    Maybe it’s time you answer your own question..

    #800031
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    How many gods do you have?

    #800035
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You tell us of the deity of Jesus.

    Do you mean some sort of conglomerate deity or personal deity?

    #800036
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    If Jesus is  a deity you have two but then your masters insist on three.

    You still serve men?

    #800044
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    The essence of God is that he cannot bet tempted by evil. Jesus does not have the essence because he was tempted by sin even as it common to the rest of humanity.

    If you do not believe what I wrote then you do not believe the word that comes out of God’s mouth.
    If you believe them then you do not believe Jesus Christ has the essence of God.

    The essence of God is that he knows all things. Jesus does not have that essence because he confessed he did not know the day or the hour of his second coming.

    If you do not believe these things then you do not believe the word that God utters.
    If you believe them then you do not believe Jesus the Son of Man has the essence of God.

    So why have you sided with the unbelievers.

    #800045
    kerwin
    Participant

    T8,

    I didn’t know you could put two quotes side by side. I will have a look at your code Kerwin.

    As soon as I determine how it happened I will let you know.

    #800073
    DavidL
    Participant

    Kerwin

    The essence of God is that he cannot bet tempted by evil..

    GOD BECAME… MAN – “Emmanuel”

    ..How could He be human – and not face temptation..!!!???

    For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” – Hebrews 4:15

     

    The essence of God is that he knows all things. Jesus does not have that essence because he confessed he did not know the day or the hour of his second coming.

    These are all contrived arguments..

    In any case your whole premise is wrong –

    He is not the Father – but One with the Father..

    thus He is God through Unity – Tri-Unity.

     

    A husband’s knowledge apart from the wife does not change the fact of their oneness or unity…

    #800075
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The husband is not his wife

    A father is not his own son

     

    But they can have unity.

     

    Trinity is not about unity but separate deities

    #800077
    DavidL
    Participant

    Nick

    Tri-Unity (Trinity)

    Unity of Three

    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..

    Which of these Three can believers have without the other Two…???

    #800079
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    God is never separate from His Spirit.

    Neither is Christ Jesus who in the Spirit is united with God.

     

    Three gods you offer??

    #800082
    DavidL
    Participant

    I offer you truth..

    The Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit..

    You cannot have God any other way.

    #800083
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Thy word is truth.

    Your theories more than dubious.

    #800092
    DavidL
    Participant

    I leave you to your own ideas.

     

    #800099
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Enjoy your human communion for now.

    But consider becoming one with the Father and the Son.

     

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