We WILL get to Isaiah 53, but in a new thread as time permits; so patience is required.

Christendom believes it was sin that put the Jesus to death; which means the “sinless, guiltless, and innocent” Jesus took on the wickedness of the guilty and was put to death for the guilty. However in Ezek 18:20 we are told “The soul that sins, it sh…[Read more]

You know that isn’t what I was asking; did your “personal sin” nail the Jesus to the cross? Why do you refuse to answer this question?

You still have not said you personally nailed the Jesus to the cross…fascinating! Let your yes be yes and your no be no!

Have you noticed you haven’t answered whether or not you nailed the Jesus to the cross? Apparently it is a difficult question to answer.

Did you notice you have deflected to another topic? I can only surmise this tactic is being used to push the conversation away from what you refuse to answer. Which I will not be baited into and will p…[Read more]

You: Are you telling me that you have not comprehended that I believe Jesus is the righteous servant of Isaiah 53 who was wounded for my transgressions?

Me: So are you saying you put the Jesus on the cross?

Unfortunately, at this time, I am unable to read your mind which is why I asked if you did or did not put the Jesus on the cross? It requires a simple, yes I did or no I didn’t. If you would like to offer your explanation to why you did or did not, that’s up to you.

PS The Ezek passage you quote, to whom was that given, the Jews or the world?

Did you or did you not put the Jesus on the cross? Is this question to difficult?

Why do you believe it’s the apostles speaking in Isaiah 53?

Can you explain why the writer of Matthew in 2:15 takes Hosea 11:1 out of context, calling it a “fulfillment” of the prophet, by applying it to the Jesus when the Hosea passage speaks of God calli…[Read more]

(From post #946686)

Did you put the Jesus on the cross; if so, what did you do that put him there?

ME: Why does your response not speak to what we were directly debating about?

If the prophesy of Isaiah 53 is the words of the apostles giving the report of Jesus as savior to the people then the “our” and “we” most assuredly include the…[Read more]

YOU:

@Jodi,

In reference to post #946652

Did you put the Jesus on the cross; if so, what did you do that put him there?

ME: Why does your response not speak to what we were directly debating about?

If the prophesy of Isaiah 53 is the words of the apostles giving the report of Jesus as savior to the people then the “our” and “we” most…[Read more]

In reference to post #946652

Did you put the Jesus on the cross; if so, what did you do that put him there?

Though I had asked you to find me a passage in the book of Acts that supports your doctrine of Jesus as it pertains to him being our savior,

Me

Even 2

Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and👉 a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23
Of this man’s seed hath God…[Read more]

@Gene,

Jodi, you accuse me of “not acknowledging that Isaiah 53 is clearly speaking of one individual”; but, you can’t tell me who is speaking where in this chapter, haven’t explained why the singular used here is any different than anywhere else in the Tanakh when God refers to Israel (the nation) as “a son”, AND you haven’t explained how…[Read more]

Still waiting for an answer to where else in the Tanakh it states the Messiah was to be “born of a virgin.” If it’s important, God repeats HIMSELF. The Isaiah 7 passage isn’t Messianic, the sign IS the child being old enough to reject evil and choose good, not the birth as the writer of Matthew wants to claim. Then to say it’s dual prop…[Read more]

You once told me the faith you’re apart of, I looked up what the core beliefs are and looking at the “Doctrines to be Rejected” I found this; “We reject the doctrine – that Joseph was the actual father of Jesus.” Yet, you say the Jesus was artificially inseminated making Joseph the actual father of the Jesus; which is it? Please explain,…[Read more]

Me: Are you saying the spirit took sperm from Joseph and planted it into Mary thru artificial insemination? Can you back that up with evidence? It sounds more like speculation and justification than a truth; in all my years in the church I have never heard this scenario.

You: I can understand that this is something you’ve not heard of…[Read more]

I know I have posted the Jeremiah passage before, but let’s do it again and see if we can clear up some confusion.

30 Thus says Yahweh: “Record this man as childless, a man who will not succeed in his days, for no man from his offspring will succeed him, sitting on the throne of David and ruling again in Judah.”

No where in the passa…[Read more]

You: It is NOT the Spirit that Fathered Jesus, it is the Spirit by it’s power that impregnated Mary with a biological son of Joseph.

Me: Are you saying the spirit took sperm from Joseph and planted it into Mary thru artificial insemination? Can you back that up with evidence? It sounds more like speculation and justification than a truth;…[Read more]

In your post #946585 you make an unprovable claim the spirit used “in vivo” fertilization to impregnate Mary. Is there any evidence, other than speculation, to support what you said?

You also mentioned “‘almah’ is to be a virgin period”, I think you need to go back and research that again because you appear to have missed something.…[Read more]

Please quote the passage where the curse from Jeremiah was lifted from Jeconiah. To use Zerubbabel as your “proof” the curse was lifted is utterly false because he never served as KING, he was appointed governor and thus was under the ruling king. God never said Jeconiah’s descendants would never succeed for HIS purpose; HE said they would…[Read more]

You say in post #946575 that you “believe” God planned dual fulfillment’s; BUT, when did God say any prophecy had a “dual purpose”? I’ve never read that anywhere in the Tanakh; sounds like it was created by man to justify their religion.

You: Read Matthew 1 carefully! He is specifically stating that he is giving us the genetic lineage of Jesus for the purpose to show how he is biologically a son of Abraham and David.

Me: Except Matthew states “18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came t…[Read more]

Quickly covering your Luke citation, that is one BIG nope! You quote I Chron 17:11 as proof and all you’ve proven is you believe what you were told to believe. There are three passages you need to look up as they parallel each other and reveal who the “son” God is speaking of; sorry to break it to you, it’s not your Jesus – it’s Solomon.…[Read more]

You: Read Matthew 1 carefully! He is specifically stating that he is giving us the genetic lineage of Jesus for the purpose to show how he is biologically a son of Abraham and David.

Me: Except we have King Jechoniah listed in this “lineage”; one who God said was to be remembered as childless. This would mean no descendant if his wou…[Read more]

@Jodi

You

I don’t see any scripture that says that Adam was appointed a king to rule over all of mankind and all living creatures upon the earth, before or after the fall.

Me

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:👉 and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the c…[Read more]

@Jodi

You

I asked you what does it mean that man was created in the image of God, what image does man have that God has and it seems your answer is his dominion over the earth.

Me

Before sin Adam WAS the king of the earth, the shepherd of paradise.

👇

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Stop getting excited with your big speeches that prove nothing.
You can NEVER CONTRARY THAT JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, WAS WITH THE FATHER IN THE BEGINNING AND THAT HE WAS GOD, AND THAT HE WAS MADE FLESH.
IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Hi Jodi,

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Who dwelt among us?
Jesus Christ!

Anyway, I need to rest.

God bless you and take care.

You: You can’t assure anything, you can’t even acknowledge the clear simple truth that God promised that He WAS GOING TO BECOME a Father unto a seed of David.

Me: Where did God say HE was going to become a father unto the seed of David? What verse are you citing?

Hi Jodi,

Thanks. I know and feel that Jesus Christ came in me.
But still the battle goes on but I feel peace inside.
I understand your point about baby Jesus.
Honestly, I don’t have a problem if Jesus became the Christ at his baptism. If that’s what happened then Amen to that.
I just want the Bible truth. I’m open to corre…[Read more]

You: DT, I referenced an existing thread on the topic you want to discuss and after my post to you I immediately went to that thread and responded to you.

Me: Nowhere in your responses did you inform me you were posting in the other thread; this is the first hearing of it. Telling me to go to that thread isn’t the same as “I posted a res…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Just to answer your two questions:

Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ did fulfill all righteousness. He he was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Yes, I believe that the Spirit of YHWH came on Jesus Christ after his baptism. But Jesus was already the Christ.
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of…[Read more]

Didn’t realize you controlled and set the tone for this forum of “believers” only; sounds like a country club.

The discussion of who or what the “word” is in John 1 has been going on in this thread for over 20 years and there is still zero consensus of who/what the “word” really is and if we’re being honest, your religious beliefs are s…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

I believe that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of YHWH.

At this time I need to take a break.

My real name is Devis Awaleh.
Danny Dabbs is a fictitious name.
Please pray for me because the Devil and his minions hate me.

Rely to post 946305

Read Isa 61:1 and Luke 4:18 passages in parallel and please tell me what Jesus was reading. It appears Jesus changed/added to the Isaiah passage by putting in “And recovery of sight to the blind,”

Who’s the “me” speaking in the Isaiah passage?

Where did that come from?!?