I do not know if I could figure out that there was but one God from nature itself.

God is eternal, if not someone preceded him, thus he is not God. So did two God begin at the same time? What was before them. Do you need nature to know there is one God @kerwin? No, just simple irrefutable logic that we would all do well to listen to.

@GeneBalthrop

Do you plan on changing body type after you die and go on to everlasting life? Specifically, you have an earthly body now, are you hoping to have a heavenly body someday which is different than the one you have now? If so, how will it be different?

The spirit and soul of the Son is what would have taken on flesh. The spirit and soul had always existed, imo.

What do you believe qualified the Son to take away the sins of mankind?

you said:

The flaw here is that this just as broken as implying God can be tempted by evil as a being is either one kind of another not two kinds at one therefore Jesus is either 1) human as Scripture states, God, or a hybrid but not both the God kind and the human kind.

The eternal spirit of the Son indwells a flesh body which he…[Read more]

Ezekial 18:20“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

The God cannot be tempted by evil.

The God/Man can.

Jesus is not just God. He became man also.

Jewish religion states the messiah has not come yet. Any well respecting Jew of this era will tell you the same. They will say all the disciples & Christ were false prophets & they would not be considered a Jew.  As times change so do the gods that can be found written  in stone. What would make you think that yours hasn’t been ta…[Read more]

I don’t see anything from you except opinion. I have given you many scriptures that defend YHVH as two who are one, the Father and the Son. You don’t seem to have the faith to see that the Lord of lords who is with the God of gods as YHVH could become flesh, resist temptation, walk rightly, suffer and die and be resurrected (for you and…[Read more]

I have to disagree Kerwin. Once the disciples turned to Jesus, they no longer were Jews, Messianic yes, a true Jew no. You know well enough they are still waiting for their messiah to come.  That is their faith. However I do agree that there are too many rituals & traditions held by many religions that are just smoke and mirrors. What…[Read more]

Let’s put the term Godhead aside since we don’t agree on a definition. Obviously we understand things very differently.

I see YHVH defining Himself as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. I assume that you can also see that from this passage here:

Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a…[Read more]

Jesus is not only the King of kings but He is the Lord of lords. The OT Jews understood the Lord of the sabbath as YHVH, you realize this right? The OT Jews also understood the Lord of lords as YHVH, you realize this too, correct? The NT identifies the Lord of the sabbath as Jesus and that the Lord of lords as Jesus. So, that means that I…[Read more]

Well, your understanding of the term “Godhead” is not the same as mine. I use Godhead to mean those in the position of divine and supreme rule and authority over creation.

@kerwin

I said:

They are two different beings and together they are the one God, YHVH in the fullest sense. YHVH is both, the Father and the Son, the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. One is seen in the OT and NT and one is unseen.

Then you responded with:

The flaw is your reasoning is that it introduces the broken teaching that Jesus is…

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you said:

If you truly believe that James speaks the truth when he declares that God cannot be tempted then you also truly believe that God is not tempted even as we are and yet Scripture claims was.

Yes, I truly believe that God cannot be tempted, that is why YHVH, as the Lord of lords, had to “empty Himself” and agree to be made lower…[Read more]

You said:

Jesus is that flesh.

Do you trust in flesh?

I trust the one who was born the messiah, Lord, and son of God. He came in the flesh for our sake. It is not the flesh we trust, but he came in the flesh so he could save us. He became one of us, so we can be one of him.

The Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh.…[Read more]

You said:

Jesus is that flesh.

Do you trust in flesh?

I trust the one who was born the messiah, Lord, and son of God. He came in the flesh for our sake. It is not the flesh we trust, but he came in the flesh so he could save us. He became one of us, so we can be one of him.

The Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh.…[Read more]

Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

Great idea Kerwin. Now read my whole post and in context (i.e., the reply to Nick).

You will see some interesting things such as I never…[Read more]

Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

Great idea Kerwin. Now read my whole post and in context (i.e., the reply to Nick).

You will see some interesting things such as I never…[Read more]

Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

Great idea Kerwin. Now read my whole post and in context (i.e., the reply to Nick).

You will see some interesting things such as I never…[Read more]

Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

Great idea Kerwin. Now read my whole post and in context (i.e., the reply to Nick).

You will see some interesting things such as I never…[Read more]

Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

Great idea Kerwin. Now read my whole post and in context (i.e., the reply to Nick).

You will see some interesting things such as I never…[Read more]

Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

Great idea Kerwin. Now read my whole post and in context (i.e., the reply to Nick).

You will see some interesting things such as I never…[Read more]

Did the angel of God speak the truth and message of God about Jesus when he declared:

”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”?

Yes or no. Please answer with Yes or no, or I don’t know.

You can explain your answer if you want in the next post, but it must start with one of these rea…[Read more]

Did the angel of God speak the truth and message of God about Jesus?

”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.

Yes or no. Please answer with Yes or no, or I don’t know.

You can explain your answer if you want in the next post, but it must start with one of these reasonable answers.

Did the angel of God speak the truth and message of God about Jesus?

”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.

Yes or no. Please answer with Yes or no, or I don’t know.

You can explain your answer if you want in the next post, but it must start with one of these reasonable answers.

Did the angel of God speak the truth and message of God about Jesus?

”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.

Yes or no. Please answer with Yes or no.

You can explain your answer if you want in the next post.

Hi Gene,

How do you account for Jesus living a sin-free life
for “the first 30 years” of his life. before he was
baptized with the spirit of his father?

I don’t think he can.

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

How do you account for Jesus living a sin-free life
for “the first 30 years” of his life. before he was
baptized with the spirit of his father?

I don’t think he can.

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

How do you account for Jesus living a sin-free life
for “the first 30 years” of his life. before he was
baptized with the spirit of his father?

I don’t think he can.

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God…[Read more]

t8,

The wording and sentence structure is purposeful.

I am well aware that the definite article is used before logos but I have no idea why you believe that proves it is a name and not the actual word that is being spoken about.

The definite article means it is talking about a specific logos that was with God, not generally like an…[Read more]

I know that, and I’m glad you either took the time to look it up, or possibly you already knew it.  Now, my point is this: what makes you right and me wrong?  Or what makes me right and you wrong?  The way it’s written, it could be either way.  Therefore, it’s probably not logical to assume that you’re right when you give your int…[Read more]

Except the next few verses, even in the Greek, refer to the LOGOS of verse 1 as “he” and “him”.  So it seems that John had a person in mind.

Except the next few verses, even in the Greek, refer to the Word of verse 1 as “he” and “him”.  So it seems that John had a person in mind.

I did answer it by pointing out every human being comes in the flesh. The word took on the characteristic of humanity. In short both came in the flesh. Jesus Christ embodies the word that comes out of God mouth. For the same reason he is also called the power and wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:24)

Please explain which of these is actually…[Read more]

This was my thinking that first got me to question the trinity.  If Jesus was God then how could he have been tempted by Satan because no matter what test Satan brought against him there would be no way that he could’ve given in to temptation. That would make it no actual test at all.

In it is life.

We know that Jesus said that he was the ‘life’ and that God made all things through his Word and Son. So you have to admit that the descriptions of Jesus and the Word are the same. And we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and that the Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh. Further, we also…[Read more]

In it is life.

We know that Jesus said that he was the ‘life’ and that God made all things through his Word and Son. So you have to admit that the descriptions of Jesus and the Word are the same. And we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and that the Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh. Further, we also…[Read more]

In it is life.

We know that Jesus said that he was the ‘life’ and that God made all things through his Word and Son. So you have to admit that the descriptions of Jesus and the Word are the same. And we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and that the Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh. Further, we also…[Read more]

In it is life.

We know that Jesus said that he was the ‘life’ and that God made all things through his Word and Son. So you have to admit that the descriptions of Jesus and the Word are the same. And we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and that the Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh. Further, we also…[Read more]

t8,
And if having the nature of God and then emptying himself and taking flesh makes him a deceiver, then he must be a deceiver if what you say is correct.
Romans 1:4 testifies that Jesus is the Son of God, as of the Spirit and that was declared with power by his resurrection from the dead.
Romans 1:3 testifies that Jesus Christ is the Son…

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t8,
And if having the nature of God and then emptying himself and taking flesh makes him a deceiver, then he must be a deceiver if what you say is correct.
Romans 1:4 testifies that Jesus is the Son of God, as of the Spirit and that was declared with power by his resurrection from the dead.
Romans 1:3 testifies that Jesus Christ is the Son…

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t8,
If you worship two gods it makes you a polytheist. I worship God and pay homage to Jesus Anointed. Koine Greek does not always mark the difference between the two but there is a difference. It is probably one of many things you are to understand by the context.

What are you going on about now. I am sure you need to read my posts…[Read more]

Do you recall Jesus was strengthened with the Holy Spirit? You submit to God, Seek the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you. Submission is first Kerwin

@Kerwin

You confuse what I believe with the belief of others. I do not believe Jesus died that believers be forgiven as there was a way for believers to be forgiven under the covenant of Moses. King David was forgiven for both adultery and murder as well as other sins. Jesus did not have the authority to send the Holy Spirit until after…

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You confuse what I believe with the belief of others. I do not believe Jesus died that believers be forgiven as there was a way for believers to be forgiven under the covenant of Moses. King David was forgiven for both adultery and murder as well as other sins. Jesus did not have the authority to send the Holy Spirit until after he was…

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