YOU: You say the Jesus prophesied of his own death for the sins of others; I’ll ask again, when did God change his mind and say the innocent can take on the guilt of the wicked?

ME: I explained this to you thoroughly with scriptural examples, but your response was to ignore it and change the subject. God didn’t change his mind, you m…[Read more]

YOU:

In your previous post you quote Deut 18:18-19 and make the presumption it’s pointing to the Jesus; did you read 15-22, it’s speaking of future prophets God will be sending. In the same post you speak of a “second coming” and it being “astonishing news”, is that the way the Jewish people would have understood the writings of the prop…[Read more]

YOU: I’m really not following your “gotcha moment”; it’s like you’re saying the Israelite’s aren’t Jewish. To me it appears you’re playing pretend, intentional ignorance. Are the Israelite’s of the Tanakh Jewish or not? Again, Paul tells us there isn’t a difference between Jew or Gentile; was Paul speaking of a single tribe – HARDLY! He…[Read more]

YOU: Nothing is written that says the Messiah was to come, do nothing, leave for a couple millennia, and return one day. Why do the Jews reject the Jesus as the Messiah; he never did what was prophesied and there is no verse that says the Messiah was to come twice.

ME: Just to pull what I said all together in my last posts that was in…[Read more]

Duet 17:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of…[Read more]

YOU: The major question remains, is the Jesus is the true Messiah; if he is, then why didn’t he accomplish ALL that was spoken of the Messiah while he was here; since he didn’t accomplish all that was prophesied, how can he claim to be the Messiah? It’s a tough pill to swallow,

ME: You are speaking nonsense. You are taking your own disbe…[Read more]

YOU: To say he will accomplish what was prophesied when he returns is improvable. Nothing is written that says the Messiah was to come, do nothing, leave for a couple millennia, and return one day.

ME: Do nothing???????

Do we say he did nothing? We believe through God, according to God’s will, plan and by the power of His Spirit, that…[Read more]

Yes, of course Jesus would need to meet all of the requirements, not just one which is why I provided a response to each of the requirements that you gave.

YOU: The reason the passage about the Messiah being Jewish is included, is because it’s a requirement; why would I leave it out?

ME: The passage was Duet 17:15 and it speaks nothing a…[Read more]

Just a little recap.

We had been discussing Isaiah 53, where you specifically gave me points for me to respond to and instead of replying back to my direct counter points you completely ignored them and went with, “There is only one thing that matters in your response and it has to do with whether the Jesus is the true Messiah or not and…[Read more]

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those…[Read more]

ME: Our God gives mercy upon mankind otherwise, we’d all be brute beasts.

YOU: Aren’t we created in the image of God? If we ignore God’s natural law of the “knowledge of good an evil”, we can become wicked. To call us beasts, is a stretch

ME: Oh good, we are back to one of my favorite topics!

Man is likened to beasts throughout…[Read more]

YOU: Me: “shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” Not sure if you know this but the nation of Israel was fractured into two kingdoms, the northern kingdom (Israel) and the southern (Judah). Please provide a NT passage that states the Jesus will gather the Isr…[Read more]

YOU: Jewishness is represented by the fact the child’s mother is Jewish and has nothing to do with tribal association. We can say the Jesus’ mother is Jewish, thus making him Jewish. The contention is his daddy, because the father is who determines tribal association ( Numbers 1:2). So being Jewish doesn’t mean your from the tribe of Judah…[Read more]

YOU: What is relevant is whether or not the Jesus had any control over his death. According to aforementioned passages, the answer is no. Can God’s plans be thwarted, not according to Job 42:2; if the plan from creation was to have the Jesus die, how could he or anyone have changed it, how could the Jesus say he freely laid his life down w…[Read more]

I had just a moment so I decided to check in an see what was the latest on here. I saw your post to Gene and was going to respond to, “How can the Jesus “freely” lay down his life when it was preordained from the beginning of time for him to do so? What choice did he really have? Was he going to defy the spirit that was in him?”, but the…[Read more]

YOU: I do agree commentators can and do inject some personal bias into their understanding; however, when there are multiple commentators who agree this passage is a reference to heavenly angels are we to ignore the teaching in favor of our personal religious understanding/bias?

ME: Your comment here is rather baffling to me! So it seems…[Read more]

YOU: There is only one thing that matters in your response and it has to do with whether the Jesus is the true Messiah or not and every response that doesn’t resolve this is pointless. IS THE JESUS THE TRUE MESSIAH!?!?! This is the only question that matters! If the Jesus doesn’t fulfill one requirement of what is outlined in the Tan…[Read more]

YOU:

He must be Jewish
“…you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you.” (Deuteronomy 17:15)

He must be a member of the tribe of Judah
“The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet…” (Genesis 49:10)

To be a member of t…[Read more]

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,…[Read more]

You had said to DT, “Fact is, you or no human being has completely stop sinning,  we all “still” come short of that goal, why?  Because in order for us to completely stop sinning, something must be added to our existence.

Jesus “demonstrated ” to us all what that something is,  God by his “Holy Spirit” must come to dwell in us all, or…[Read more]

I’d like to respond first to this,

YOU: Funny, coming from someone who makes up reasons to support what they believe (i.e. “virgin birth”).

ME: What did I make up to support my belief of a virgin birth exactly? What I believe is according to scripture.  Matthew tells us directly that Jesus is biologically a son of Abraham and Davi…[Read more]

YOU: in Ezek 18:20 we are told “The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” So how does the Jesus take on the wickedness of others whe…[Read more]

YOU: So what you believe is false as it doesn’t align with the Tanakh.

ME: Absolutely aligns, there is one to whom the LORD makes his soul an offering for sin.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

10 Yet i…[Read more]

who is responsible for Jesus going to the cross?

“Yep and me too, along with all other people that have lived upon the earth, as we have all been sinners.”

Who is the righteous servant of Isaiah 53 and who are the transgressors that he died for?

Thank you

No I did not personally nail Jesus to the cross.

That isn’t even possible.

Who does the “our” represent and who is the “righteous servant” in Isaiah 53?

The chief priests, the elders and the high priest plotted and demanded that Jesus be arrested and put to death, but it was the Romans that did the actually deed.

However, Jesus could have saved himself, but he obeyed God who demanded he go to the cross and die.

So far we have some Jews, some Romans, God and Jesus himself all responsible…[Read more]

I’m going to start with this one,

YOU: What about Matt 5:43 where the Jesus says “you shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy”; find me the passage where God said to “hate your enemy.”

ME: 

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enem…[Read more]

Are you telling me that you have not comprehended that I believe Jesus is the righteous servant of Isaiah 53 who was wounded for my transgressions? I just find that extremely hard to believe, hence why I find your question stupid. And who are you to ask a person to confess their sins to?

According to Isaiah 53, whoever you believe the…[Read more]

YOU:

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.(John 1:29)

How can one man, even if he is filled with the Holy Spirit, take away 👉THE SIN OF THE WORLD ???

ME: I would suggest reading back through some of my latest posts and the scriptures I provided, but…[Read more]

YOU:

Did you or did you not put the Jesus on the cross? Is this question to difficult?

Why do you believe it’s the apostles speaking in Isaiah 53?

ME: Neither of your questions are difficult at all, I just find them to be stupid questions because it does seem like you should already know my answers.

We are all sinners, but God h…[Read more]

Yes Jesus, THE SON OF MAN, as he declared, came forth from the Father, to which Jesus also phrased as coming down from heaven.

WHO does Jesus say came down from heaven in John 3, he said THE SON OF MAN!

Jesus also said in John 3,

“Except a MAN be BORN OF water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

“For God…[Read more]

The perfect way to explain what being begotten by God or born of God means is to say God’s Spirit has descended from heaven and has come to dwell within you!

Here is a very condensed post for you

YOU:

Mankind has a sin problem.

It needed a unique solution besides letting our souls die.

ME: 

Yes, mankind has a sin problem which is because only God is good and without His Spirit dwelling in us we can bare no fruit of righteousness.

The solution, God called a man to righteousness…[Read more]

YOU:

Mankind has a sin problem.

It needed a unique solution besides letting our souls die.

ME:

Before we read the word of God from Paul let us not forget prophecy from Isaiah of a son of David who God would give his Spirit to and call to righteousness to fulfill the covenant and another prophecy that the giving of the Spirit…[Read more]

YOU:

@Jodi,

In reference to post #946652

Did you put the Jesus on the cross; if so, what did you do that put him there?

ME: Why does your response not speak to what we were directly debating about?

If the prophesy of Isaiah 53 is the words of the apostles giving the report of Jesus as savior to the people then the “our” and “we” most…[Read more]

Holy means –set apart by our only one true God our Heavenly Father

Before Jesus of Nazareth, a son of David, was even born, long time before that, even before the world began, God set him apart to be the one man where by his righteousness unto obedience we would be set free.

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect,…[Read more]

Romans 5:18  Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The disobedience committed by a human led to a punishment God gave to all humans and therefore it was unto God that by the obedience of one human God…[Read more]

YOU: Concerning the “mediator”, do I need the Jesus or can I offer praise and thanksgiving directly to God? Can I take my requests directly to HIM or do I need the Jesus as this “intermediator” “working on my behalf”? God says to repent, turn from sin, and HE’LL remember it no more; but christianity says I need the Jesus to be forgiven.…[Read more]

“Paul directly gives us the faith we are to have in he who was anointed of the Spirit?”

is not supposed to have a question mark but a period.

I let you know that I haven’t attended a church since I was 18 but the church I was raised up in was very much invested in the OT, I grew up keeping a very strict Seventh Day Sabbath, I ate only clean foods according to the law and I kept God’s Holy Days. The church constantly read the OT and sang songs from Psalms. There was no Trinity,…[Read more]

Sin = Death and Righteousness = Life

The SOURCE of Righteousness is through our Heavenly Father’s Spirit.

When our Heavenly Father promised unto mankind, even before the world began, eternal life, that was therein also a Promise of His Spirit.

Paul teaches that not only are we saved by the righteousness of one man to whom God’s Spirit…[Read more]

ME: Though I had asked you to find me a passage in the book of Acts that supports your doctrine of Jesus as it pertains to him being our savior,

YOU:

Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and👉 a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23
Of this man’s seed hath God a…[Read more]

YOU:

Jodi, you accuse me of “not acknowledging that Isaiah 53 is clearly speaking of one individual”; but, you can’t tell me who is speaking where in this chapter, haven’t explained why the singular used here is any different than anywhere else in the Tanakh when God refers to Israel (the nation) as “a son”, AND you haven’t explained how…[Read more]

Though I had asked you to find me a passage in the book of Acts that supports your doctrine of Jesus as it pertains to him being our savior, we can certainly discuss Hebrews 1. I would appreciate it if you could actually read the full content of this post and reply specifically to the passages within that I have provided directly or…[Read more]

Continuing on,

Highlighting again some biblical facts,

The fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness and truth.

To be righteous is to be born of God having his seed remain in you.

Righteousness comes through the Spirit of God, thus one being born of God is being born of His Spirit where that is the seed that must remain…[Read more]

YOU:

It is not enough to fill a man with the Holy Spirit to make him THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD…
for Christ Jesus IS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
THIS ONE HAS TO WANT IT

JESUS ​​SAID: I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO DO NOT MY WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME…

IN OTHER WORDS, JESUS ​​LEFT HEAVEN TO STAND DOWN HERE

Who, being in the form of…[Read more]

The Word of God is His Promised Spirit and it was made true in the flesh when it descended upon Jesus of Nazareth at the river Jordan.

God was in Jesus to the cause of fulfilling all righteousness, where the Spirit is there is righteousness and life.

God was in Jesus where Jesus spoke God’s words and did God’s works.

God’s…[Read more]

Thank you and yes, I am seeing the futility as well conversing with DT. Especially when he cannot acknowledge that Isaiah 53 is clearly speaking of one individual, should have just stopped there, really no point in discussing anything further.

Peace and love to you and yours as well brother Gene

YOU: Use the Tanakh and prove it!

ME: This is really getting old and it’s completely absurd!

God’s word doesn’t end at Malachi for me, it continues on and just like each book that makes up the Tanakh adds to us more history and more truth with each book so do the books within the New Testament. There cannot be contradictions but most…[Read more]