(I’m not getting pulled back into this conversation, but I did want to correct a statement I made and make a couple more comments since I just saw an incorrect statement or two as the final posts…[Read more]

(I’m not getting pulled back into this conversation, but I did want to correct a statement I made, and make a couple more comments since I just saw an incorrect statement or two as the final…[Read more]

(I’m not getting pulled back into this conversation, but I did want to correct a statement I made, and make a couple more comments since I just saw an incorrect statement or two as the final posts of this thread)

I was just looking up…[Read more]

You do realize you’re trying to teach me basic Christian doctrine as if I don’t already know it, right? lol It doesn’t help your case, though. None of it disproves hell being temporary.

You see, Hebrews 10:26 doesn’t help your case because it doesn’t speak of the timespan of hell being eternal. Also, it says “judgment,” which is…[Read more]

I understand where you’re coming from and I respect that. I’ll explain how I view God’s nature, because your last message expresses your view of God’s nature.

The Bible says, “God is Love.” It never says, “God is Justice.” It does say God is “just,” but that’s describing a component of His nature, not His nature itself. So He is…[Read more]

Thanks for answering my questions. Very few hold your belief on this matter, but I’m aware of your view. I learned it years ago. But one cannot discuss a redemptive hell with someone that has your belief. There’s no point since your view is so far out there. I’m fine discussing this subject with people who hold one of the more…[Read more]

When you answer my questions, I’ll respond.

–Brian

Then anytime I mention hell, especially in my questions to you, I want you to assume I’m talking about the hell that comes after the second resurrection and judgment, okay?

So now, go back to my questions I asked you about Jesus’ parable about the king who threw the man in the dungeon for not forgiving others their debt. Answer those…[Read more]

Thank you for answering my questions. Now I understand your belief better.

So, if a person goes to the wait position and then is resurrected and judged, where will he go from there? If he’s saved, he goes into the millennial kingdom? If he’s not saved, he goes to hell? I’m asking so I can better understand your belief on hell.

–Brian

I said that I would not respond to you unless you answered my questions, which you did not. When you’re ready to answer the questions from my last post, then I’ll respond to your post. It’s called respect for one another rather than dodging questions because you have no good answers to support your doctrines. I didn’t ask you if you…[Read more]

Excellent question. Jesus answers that question with the parable of the man whose debt is forgiven by the king. When the man doesn’t forgive his debtors like the king forgave his debt, the king puts him in the dungeon until the last cent of his debt is paid. In other words, there is an end to his imprisonment. If Jesus were describing…[Read more]

Why would Timothy say that Jesus is the savior of all men, but especially of those who believe? That means he actually saved everyone, but those who believe are even more blessed than those who don’t believe. So those who don’t believe are still saved. If those who…[Read more]

Jesus is the one who uses…[Read more]

Jesus is the one who uses…[Read more]

So you don’t want to dig deeper to learn the truth about the Greek words that will tell you what hell really is?

I have a suggestion to speed up your study and make it more objective. Forget everything you know for right now and just study as if you think he’ll could very well be eternal. The reason for this is to keep your mind from constantly trying to disprove it. Until you learn this view and it’s foundational components and it’s arguments, you…[Read more]

You’re missing vital steps to this process. That’s what causes false doctrines. Research needs to be extremely thorough and objective.

You never looked at a Greek Lexicon to get the real definition of the words. As I explained before, the Strong’s is merely giving what the different translations have defined the word as, including our…[Read more]

I appreciate your desire to dig and find the truth. Revelation basically is saying that the Lake of Fire is the second death. Unfortunately, that doesn’t give us any indication of whether hell is eternal nor not. All of this studying comes down to a few simple things:

Is the punishment spoken of in the NT correctional or not?
What do…

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Don’t forget how “owlam” and “aion/aionios” are used. “Aion,” in Greek, means “age.” But when you put “aion” next to a word we know is eternal (like God), then “aion” means “eternity.” So even though “aion,” which means “age,” means a period of time, it means eternity when paired with something like “God,” because we know God is eternal.…[Read more]

Yeah, I’ve researched all of those words and more. 🙂 This is a good start, but you can’t go off of the Strong’s alone because Strong’s gives you all the different ways our translations have translated those words. It does not give the actual meaning of the word, often times, though. That’s why I mentioned going to a Hebrew lexicon online…[Read more]

Sounds good. Did you get a chance to read through my original post? It explains that anywhere you see the word “eternal” in the Old Testament, it means “future,” and when you see “eternal” in the New Testament, that means “age.” “Everlasting” is the same…it means “future” or “distant future” in the Old Testament and “age” or “age of…[Read more]

I don’t mean this in a bad way, but you’re being a hypocrit and you don’t realize it. I’m not calling you a hypocrit, I’m just saying that what you said is hypocritical. I’ll explain.

You said that you don’t trust what I’m saying and you believe hell is eternal because you believe what the Bible says. And yet I showed you what the Bible…[Read more]

Thanks for the post.

You’re gonna make me break out the more literal Greek on you. lol

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

In that verse, the more literal translation is, “…that whoever be believing in him shall not be perishing but…[Read more]

Thanks for the reply.

I’m not interested in debate, but I’m willing to discuss and share ideas. I’ll point out just a few things real quick regarding your post and the topic at hand.

You quoted Ephesians 1:10 – That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in…[Read more]

Proverbs 12:15 – Fools think their own way is right, but the wise listen to others.

Proverbs 12:15 – Fools think their own way is right, but the wise listen to others.

So, how did it feel when I said to you what you said to me about maybe not having received the Holy Spirit and not being enlightened to understand Jesus words? It probably didn’t feel too, good. Probably made you feel a little stupid if you took it personally. It was a pretty cruel thing to say to someone. It implies that you are…[Read more]

These prophecies I’m talking about are well known. Someone told me not long ago, “If you don’t understand the scripture’s prophecies, it is perhaps because you did not receive the holy spirit of truth and are not enlighten to understand Jesus words.” Have you ever considered that that could be the issue? 🙂

These prophecies I’m talking about are well known. Someone told me not long ago, “If you don’t understand the scripture’s prophecies, it is perhaps because you did not receive the holy spirit of truth and are not enlighten to understand Jesus words.” Have you ever considered that? 🙂

I didn’t put words in your mouth. I was very careful with my wording. I said it “sounded” like you just said you were living like Jesus lived and God had taught you all truth. You basically said to me that since I don’t understand prophecy the way you do, then perhaps I’m not saved…because if I were, God would reveal the truth about…[Read more]

I’m guessing you believe people are in Abraham’s bosom, in either the happier place or the not-so-happy place. That’d be the way I understand it, too. There’s Paradise and there’s hell, basically. It wasn’t that way in the Old Testament before Jesus. The Ancient Hebrews believed a person’s spirit slept when they died, until the Son…[Read more]

I’m guessing you believe people are in Abraham’s bosom, in either the happier place or the not-so-happy place. That’d be the way I understand it, too. There’s Paradise and there’s hell, basically. It wasn’t that way in the Old Testament before Jesus. The Ancient Hebrews believed a person’s spirit slept when they died, until the Son of…[Read more]

The first death is physical death. The second death is hell. That’s why the second death is said to have no power over those who are born again. They go straight to heaven rather than having to endure a period after their first death where they are continuing to be dead spiritually. So they’re first dead spiritually while on earth and…[Read more]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying about the Bedouins. They aren’t more advanced than Jesus. The purpose they serve is to help us understand Abraham’s beliefs and understand translation better, both of which help us understand the Bible.

By Jesus’ time, the Jews had been in captivity of Western nations, so they had picked up…[Read more]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying about the Bedouins. They aren’t more advanced than Jesus. The purpose they serve is to help us understand Abraham’s beliefs and understand translation better, both of which help us understand the Bible.

By Jesus’ time, the Jews had been in captivity of Western nations, so they had picked…[Read more]

First, you have to consider the Ancient Hebrews, which is where Judaeo-Christian beliefs source from. The Ancient Hebrews were Eastern philosophy. The entire world was Eastern philosophy prior to about the 6th Century B.C.…[Read more]

You’re right. That’s the trap I always fall for–talking about anything people post. lol Gets me off topic easily.

The topic is about resolving emotional issues, how emotional issues function, how they drive our behaviors (sin), how they are dealt with, and how that gets us in touch with our child-of-God self.

But, I’m writing way too much…[Read more]

You’re right. That’s the trap I always fall for–talking about anything people post. lol Gets me off topic easily.

The topic is about resolving emotional issues, how emotional issues function, how they drive our behaviors (sin), how they are dealt with, and how that gets us in touch with our child-of-God self.

But, I’m writing way too much…[Read more]

I thought I did say Jesus was God. If I didn’t, then I must have accidentally edited the sentence/explanation.

I’d like to share something with you. By the 1980s, psychologists had done lots of research studies on brainwashing. What they found is that 99% of the time, if a person had anxiety or anger come up when someone…[Read more]

I hear you that those in the East speak a different language. I have followed Eastern Christianity quite a bit. However, when I hear the word “vibrational”, that to me is Kundalini/Hinduism – and I have not heard that word in Eastern Christianity.

Oh, I wasn’t talking about Eastern Christianity. I’m talking about Eastern philo…[Read more]

Yes, so we learn through GOD how to not judge, how to be humble, how to love, and how to listen. We learn through our own mistakes, mainly, imo. It is good to hear that a book helped you see that, but God, through the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and we have no need for any others, though God may send a teacher…. so it pays to listen w…[Read more]

Colter says that those who worship the Bible are
practicing book-fetish. Are you practicing book-fetish?

LOL That’s awesome. I totally agree. When I hear people say that relationship comes from the Bible alone, a part of me cringes inside. That’s worshipping knowledge and a book and the doctrines one has built around it. That’s not…[Read more]

Far be it from me to put God in a box. I don’t know for sure how the whole Jesus & God thing works. I can see how Jesus could be part of God, and I can see how He might be a created person. I could also see how He might be a manifestation of God (still part of Him). I can see how He might have been calling God His Father, because He wasn’t…[Read more]

So, I am interested to know if you can, as Thomas did, say to Jesus, “My Lord and My God.”

Oh, of course. Jesus is Lord. He’s the Son of God. I may not be able to define the exact details of what He is, but as far as I can tell, He’s part of God and He’s King/Lord.

It would take an awful lot of proof to convince me that He’s not…[Read more]