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4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 14 May 2014 11:04:49 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,05:18)Quote (4Thomas @ May 08 2014,21:33)2 Peter uses the word Logos so is valid.So does this scripture:Matthew 12:37For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.Does the fact that the Greek word is “logos” in the above scripture mean the “word” mentioned is Jesus Christ? Of…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 14 May 2014 10:14:45 +1200

Quote (terraricca @ May 10 2014,00:17)Danielwhy does it take so long to answer Mike questions you could have saved you one hour in written words ,if you would take one minute to answer his questions ,now you postpone the answer again ,and prepare a counter attack so to speak Hi t I'm auckland at the moment for work and I was truly on holiday…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 09 May 2014 03:33:20 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,13:52)Quote (4Thomas @ May 08 2014,00:02)NOW you say God the Father created the heavens and earth through his literal Word.NO he created through his true SON, the Logos, the Word.Both are equally accurate, Daniel.God literally SPOKE things into existence, and therefore created by His literal spoken words. (Genesis…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Thu, 08 May 2014 06:02:08 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2014,13:28)Quote (4Thomas @ May 06 2014,00:13)So you say that the Father is ALONE the creator and then you say he didn't create WITHOUT the Son.You can't say that the Father created by a literal word ALONE because this excludes the Son, do you understand this?Daniel,Please just listen for 10 SECONDS………..Jehovah the…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 07 May 2014 01:25:09 +1200

Hi Mike,I believe you use reason and common sense but been brought up in an environment that has only allowed one view to be expressed. I hope and i also have faith that you will accept the Son as the only true begotten God, the “one and only” true Son.When I asked you what Jesus was before he took flesh why didn't you admit that he was God?This…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 06 May 2014 06:13:46 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2014,13:12)Quote (4Thomas @ May 04 2014,19:25)Hi Mike,I'm not twisting any scripture -you know this is the truth.I believe you are, Daniel. You WANT so bad for Jesus to have been our Creator that you are reaching for things, understanding scriptural words in a way other than the most logical way they could be…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 06 May 2014 01:30:02 +1200

Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2014,01:18)Danielyou have not addressed Mike question at allHi T,I'm sorry, Yes you are right, I didn't have time to explain them so I summarized by saying.I don't believe Jesus as the Son of man and the lamb of god created the heavens. So with all the scriptures that reveal the messiah we need to realise that the Word…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 05 May 2014 01:39:58 +1200

Hi Mike,The Lamb and all your examples of YOUR questions are Jesus as the Son of Man. I agree Jesus didn't create the heavens as the Son of man or the lamb of God. He created them BEFORE the the Word was made flesh. remember the Word was God and all things were made through him and FOR him.Jesus became the Son of Man because he LOVES us, he Loves…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 05 May 2014 01:33:14 +1200

Hi Mike,Here is some help..Lets obey the Fathers words!Hebrews 1:10-12He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 05 May 2014 01:25:56 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2014,05:11)Quote (4Thomas @ May 02 2014,00:00)Scripture teaches it is BY the Son and Through the Son and FOR the Son. these are not my words.Didn't you read my last post? God created you BY your parents. But it was still GOD who actually created you, Daniel.Ephesians 3:9And to make all men see what is the fellowship o…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 02 May 2014 06:00:35 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2014,12:35)Hey Daniel,I just read this in another thread:2 Corinthians 4:6For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.Once again, Christ is clearly distinguished as someone OTHER THAN the God…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Thu, 01 May 2014 06:34:42 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2014,11:33)Actually Daniel,Let me make this real easy for the both of us:Is it clear from Genesis 1 that Jehovah God spoke literal words which caused the heavens, the stars, the earth, and the creatures on it to come into existence?The only honest answer is “YES”.Therefore, when you read a scripture that speaks of God…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:27:03 +1200

Hi Mike,Sorry about the delay. Psalm 33:6By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.Please read the commentaries that have actually even revealed more explicit examples of the Expressed Word (The Son) and the Breath of God (The Holy Spirit) If you are interested here are some…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:11:02 +1200

Hi T8,correction to my post, instead of editing I will note what I entered incorrectly belowThe Son who is OF the one God [the Father, is FROM the one God's (The Fathers substance)the statement should have saidThe Son who is OF the one God, [The Son is FROM the one God's (The Fathers substance, this is how they are one) Satan is not FROM the…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 30 Apr 2014 01:35:24 +1200

Quote (t8 @ April 29 2014,23:01)Daniel. Jesus own words testify of the truth as to who the true God is and it is not Jesus. He states it clearly and he says that these words are eternal life. So you better listen up.John 17:3“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”Jesus was either…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 29 Apr 2014 06:29:58 +1200

Hi t,You can't have an almighty God of Nothing especially an eternal Almighty *unchanging* Father. Child faith.I can prove explicitly with scripture that it was THE Son who appeared as THE ALMIGHTY in the old testament.Exodus 6:32God also said to Moses, “I am the Lord . 3I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my n…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 29 Apr 2014 01:15:11 +1200

Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2014,22:37)Danielyou have to learn to answer my questions also ;if not why do we talking if you are going to do all the talking ;Hi t,I only had 10 minutes and didn't even have time to reply to Mike,You think I lie by calling Jesus THE Son, God. So I ask you WHAT is he before he took flesh???Here are some **EXPLICIT**…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 28 Apr 2014 06:15:22 +1200

Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2014,01:22)DANIELQuote Exactly we must submit to the scriptures.KEEP YOUR WORD ;AND MAKE TRUE RESEARCH DO NOT LET THE DEVIL KEEP YOU BLINDHi t,The most important thing you need to know about *the* Son is.1: Who is heand2: What is heNow we know he is the Son of man when he became flesh.What I need to know FROm you is…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Sun, 27 Apr 2014 03:29:49 +1200

Hi T,Exactly we must submit to the scriptures.As Jesus the Son of God became the Son of man he came to earth and his life AS A MAN is recorded.The thing that I believe is the key thing to NOT being LOST is to understand ***WHAT*** Jesus THE Son ofMan was before he was recorded as walking this earth as A MAN (The Son of Man) There are many…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:15:53 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2014,10:54)Quote (4Thomas @ April 21 2014,19:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2014,12:24)1. I want you to recognize that the Apostles of Christ who made the prayer in Acts 4 did NOT consider Jesus to be the one who “made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them”.Do you recognize that fact? YES o…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:04:58 +1200

Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2014,13:42)Quote (4Thomas @ April 22 2014,07:13)Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2014,23:45)Daniel(THE Word was God! THE only Son of God – the Word of God *created* all things it was not a angel jesus…Please just believe that Jesus is THE only true Son of God FROM and OF his Fathers substance.)explain how the son is God H…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic 180 Movie in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons

Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:34:35 +1200

Good work on making people aware of this great movie that shows Hilters motives aren’t to different to the war we face on abortion.
Thanks T8
Daniel

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Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:34:35 +1200

Good work on making people aware of this great movie that shows Hilters motives aren’t to different to the war we face on abortion.
Thanks T8
Daniel

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4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 22 Apr 2014 01:30:52 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2014,12:24)Quote (4Thomas @ April 16 2014,19:56)Again Mike i'm asking FOR WHAT was Jesus THE Son of God before he became *flesh**Sorry my friend,I will not be moved off topic. Right now we have to get some closure on a couple of things before we move forward:1. I want you to recognize that the Apostles of Christ wh…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 22 Apr 2014 01:13:29 +1200

Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2014,23:45)Daniel(THE Word was God! THE only Son of God – the Word of God *created* all things it was not a angel jesus…Please just believe that Jesus is THE only true Son of God FROM and OF his Fathers substance.)explain how the son is God Hi T,By substance FROM his Father.The very word God in hebrew is a plural…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:56:54 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2014,11:23)Quote (4Thomas @ April 16 2014,00:11)We can point to lots of examples of Jesus being the servant Acts 4:27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.The Word become flesh, God the Son…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 16 Apr 2014 06:11:23 +1200

Hi Mike,in summary there is LOTS and ***LOTS** of example of THE Son of God being a true Human by nature.We can point to lots of examples of Jesus being the servant Acts 4:27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.The Word…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:15:49 +1200

Hi Mike,Are you honestly saying that THE Son is NOT the Word of God.Hebrews 11:3English Standard VersionBy faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.The Father created FROM his ***Word*** because it was BY the Word of God that all things are made.All…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:54:49 +1200

Hi Mike,To provide you a clearer answer.I usually call the Son Lord and the Father God.I sometimes do call the Son my God and the Father my Lord.Its important to note sacred scripture reveals God in the plural and not the singular! This is very explicitly seen time and time again. Even the word for God , the MOST often used word for God in the Old…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:07:06 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2014,12:57)Quote (4Thomas @ April 14 2014,19:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2014,04:46)1. When you speak of our ONE and ONLY Almighty God, do you refer to that God as a “Him”, or as a “Them”? And if God is not a “Them”, then how can you be both a brother and a son to HIM?2. Of what SUBSTANCE were Satan and God's ot…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 15 Apr 2014 01:35:25 +1200

Hi Mike,I have to go, look at how Genesis call Gods *him* and *us* now the angels are NOT in the image and glory of the Father. God will not give his glory to another..Life in the one and ONLY SonDaniel

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 15 Apr 2014 01:27:07 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2014,04:46)Hi Daniel,I read your post but saw no real answers to my questions.Please answer both of these DIRECTLY – without a sermon. 1. When you speak of our ONE and ONLY Almighty God, do you refer to that God as a “Him”, or as a “Them”? And if God is not a “Them”, then how can you be both a brother and a son to…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 11 Apr 2014 06:29:53 +1200

HI Mike,I honestly care for you and honestly like you as a person.What i say and do, i believe 100% with all my heart. God knows I do not lie. I believe in hell and would never led anyone to deny the truth.Daniel

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 11 Apr 2014 06:26:58 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2014,13:02)Quote (4Thomas @ April 09 2014,00:18)Hi Mike,Yes, I not only think I will be a brother of God Almighty But wait for it my friend, I also think I am a Son of God Almighty Daniel,I like you and think you truly mean well, but only a Trinitarian could speak about our ONE Almighty God, and claim to someday be…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 09 Apr 2014 06:18:12 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2014,11:36)Quote (4Thomas @ April 07 2014,18:53)Do you think satan is true God by nature?I believe Satan is as real of a god as Jesus and Jehovah are. A god is a powerful spirit being, Daniel……… nothing more. And Satan is a REAL “powerful spirit being”. He is not a FAKE “powerful spirit being”.Of all the ma…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 08 Apr 2014 00:53:49 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,12:57)Quote (4Thomas @ April 06 2014,19:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,12:19)According to scripture, Jesus Christ is…………….A. The Most High God.B. The Son, Servant, Messiah, Prophet, Priest, Word, and Sacrificial Lamb OF the Most High God.A or B, Daniel?Hi Mike,Jesus is FROM and OF the Father m…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 07 Apr 2014 01:37:30 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,12:19)Here Daniel,I'll make it easier for you:According to scripture, Jesus Christ is…………….A. The Most High God.B. The Son, Servant, Messiah, Prophet, Priest, Word, and Sacrificial Lamb OF the Most High God.A or B, Daniel?Hi Mike,Jesus is FROM and OF the Father most high Substance, their is only one n…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 07 Apr 2014 01:27:42 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,04:39)Quote (4Thomas @ April 03 2014,22:17)Hi Mike,A Father may have higher authority than a true Son but its absolutely false to say that any true Son has a lessor nature or substance than their true Father.Daniel,All you need to know is that there is but ONE “Most High God”. It is that ONE that we worship and…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:59:59 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,04:29)Quote (4Thomas @ April 03 2014,22:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2014,10:17)So, using only the scriptures, and taking into consideration who the SCRIPTURES say is the “Most High God”, and who the SCRIPTURES say is the “Son OF the Most High God” – which one is Jesus? The Most High God? Or the Son OF the M…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:17:56 +1300

Hi Mike,A Father may have higher authority than a true Son but its absolutely false to say that any true Son has a lessor nature or substance than their true Father.This is ***why** the jews wanted to **kill** Jesus. Because he claimed that God was his very own Father.That why its so very very important to truly believe with all your heart that…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:05:13 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2014,10:17)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 31 2014,23:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,12:04)Jesus either IS the Most High God… or he is the Son OF the Most High God.Which one is it………. according to scripture?Hi Mike,The Father is the Most high unbegotten God.The Son is the Most high begotten God.I have read in…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 05:17:20 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,12:04)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 30 2014,23:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2014,09:31)Pierre,Daniel does not believe the Son IS the Father, or that he became the Father.Thank you Mike…………..You're welcome Daniel……….. now answer my dang question! Jesus either IS the Most High God… or he is the Son OF…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Mon, 31 Mar 2014 05:11:52 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2014,09:31)Pierre,Daniel does not believe the Son IS the Father, or that he became the Father.Thank you Mike,Pierre, I honestly don't think the Son is the Father.I truly believe that Jesus is the one and only true Son of God by nature/substance.I believe the Father is the most high God. I dont believe that the Father…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:53:36 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2014,11:46)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 27 2014,18:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2014,12:48)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 25 2014,22:49)You need to refute that Jesus can't be man because he is the Son of Man before you can refute that Jesus can't be God because he is the one and ONLY true Son of God.Can Jesus BE the VERY man that he…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:49:34 +1300

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2014,07:28)allJn 20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ,the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.Amen and amen!!Matthew 16:16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”Matthew 26:6262Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus,…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:39:37 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2014,12:48)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 25 2014,22:49)You need to refute that Jesus can't be man because he is the Son of Man before you can refute that Jesus can't be God because he is the one and ONLY true Son of God.Can Jesus BE the VERY man that he is the son OF? No.Therefore Jesus can't BE the VERY God that he is the…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:25:44 +1300

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2014,02:41)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 26 2014,11:28)Hi Wakeup,Oh… so you believe Jesus was God but is not longer God because he took flesh?I don't agree but sorry I think I misunderstood what you where saying.In anycase Jesus is revealed as God multiple times even after he took flesh.BlessingsDaniel4Thomas.I like your analogy…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 26 Mar 2014 04:49:19 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2014,11:56)Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 25 2014,18:28)……Jesus is revealed as God multiple times even after he took flesh.Hi Daniel, Jesus either IS our one and only Most High God Jehovah – or he is the Son OF that one and only Most High God Jehovah.He can't be both.In the scriptures, Jesus was revealed as the Son of God.…[Read more]

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:28:38 +1300

Hi Wakeup,Oh… so you believe Jesus was God but is not longer God because he took flesh?I don't agree but sorry I think I misunderstood what you where saying.In anycase Jesus is revealed as God multiple times even after he took flesh.BlessingsDaniel

4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus?

Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:12:00 +1300

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 25 2014,18:04)4Thomas.Good analogy,but water is not called snow.Snow is called snow;and water is called water.You are calling water also snow.The Son is also God,that's what you are teaching.I say God is God, and His Word is God's Word.His Word was God before the snow melted.God's Word became water after it melted.(in the…[Read more]