https://heavennet.net/members/wisslewj/activity/ Activity feed for wisslewj. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 6691993207ee5be46fae5a3613dee812 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/154/#post-145409 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:08:47 +1200 Gene,I have been taking a closer look at all the times the bible says “spirit of.” While I dont agree that all instances are intellect, it is none the less an interesting study. In Isaiah the Spirit of the LORD seems to stand on equal ground with wisdom and others. I would have though the SOL the “higher” but Isaiah seems to show all seven…[Read more]

]]> f14064c8ac477dcde3e9c8ad8101d81e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/153/#post-145238 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:49:10 +1200 Gene,what did you think of the example I gave? Is that what you are getting at? Do you see it differently? If so why and how? I am curious as to what you think.Jeff

]]> 323ddb8dd9e6939160a390c2a613d78d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/page/2/#post-145090 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:48:06 +1200 The HS doesnt fail anyone. But man has a will and when it overrides the gentle nudging of the spirit, we have problems.Since the men you are speaking of here is the pope and his cronies, I will be blunt. Their fruit doesnt look good to me, so I will not trust them.CA, I fear that you do not understand what it means to have God in you. It is a…[Read more]

]]> f5276dc9f9a1bf1003cd40e5c08f35e2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/153/#post-145086 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:30:55 +1200 Gene,I think I finally understand what YOU mean by intellect. On one level I think I agree. Let me give a fuller view of what I see and I think we are closer in agreement then I originally thought.God, in eternity existed as FATHER. Nothing existed except him. Hence when He created he would have had to create within himself as there was no…[Read more]

]]> 7167b9f58e12ca7a407da23e7599c881 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/153/#post-144979 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:53:16 +1200 Gene,we are not going to get anywhere here unless we can get a biblical definition of “spirit.” I am not certain offhand how to define it. It is used in many ways. God is spirit. Man has a spirit/intellect, There is the HS, There are ministering Spirits and on and on. There is no way we can call all of these just intellect because they have…[Read more]

]]> 8b05d4797b993b6802eb697966b4566c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/page/2/#post-144966 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:17:54 +1200 CA,notice the Spirit will lead us into all truth and teach us. that means that we may chose not to follow and the process isnt instant.Are you suggesting that I put my faith in a man? Despite the bible saying that the SPIRIT will be my teacher? I think not. Noone claims infallibility. Noone would have the audacity except maybe the pope. His…[Read more]

]]> 7bc393346431ea02a83dac770f44d07f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/#post-144924 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:30:23 +1200 God has!! Praise him!! He has put his spirit in me that leads me into all truth!! Its a good thing too because if I had to listen to man tell me what to do who knows where we would end up. God has told me his spirit would teach me and his word says that no MAN will have to teach us because we will all be taught by God. jeff

]]> eeaed3be626747e3dab40a4980466356 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-26/page/4/#post-144900 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:35:51 +1200 Hey guys,I too am sad that we dont “DO” the actual stuff we are told to do today. We are told to cast out demons in multiple places, we are told to heal the sick (james says they WILL get better.), etc etc. But today we just relagate that to the wastebin and take on a form of godliness with no power because we simply dont believe what gods word…[Read more]

]]> e522f0bbcd4c06f459f0147160e5d362 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/153/#post-144893 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:17:49 +1200 Gene,–>I do agree that the Spirit of GOD does produce Sons of GOD. I have no problem with that, Agreed God, through the HS created a whole host of Angels which are called “sons of god.”–>Christ Jesus or the messiah did not exist at the time of the creation at all, only in the plan of GOD He existed I must disagree here. He didnt exist in flesh…[Read more]

]]> 0c415e9d6e5ae8a21bec815aef49e474 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture-91/page/4/#post-144880 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:26:40 +1200 TheodoreJ,I lean to this as well. It says that the AC will seek to change dates and times etc. I believe the Catholic Church has done this. Our day of worshiphas changed, our declaration of jesus has changed, we worship 3 gods, pray to the dead (which is basically a form of necromancy) etc.The simple statement of faith which is that Jesus is…[Read more]

]]> de8eebf6df95186f40ecd2898e954ffb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/#post-144878 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:18:23 +1200 I mean the Hebrew, not greek….how does one “edit” a post?

]]> 7a8f87e12af9837bf6ed1cde6e1c408a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/#post-144877 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:16:35 +1200 Thinker,that passage has often had me wondering.Isaiah 44:6″Thus says the LORD(YHVH), the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD(YHVH) of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me. Almost ALL translations have that AND in there. The NIV doesnt. I havent yet lookd at the greek to see if it should be there. But…[Read more]

]]> 7f43b8f70bfe280d968181aecb20a8a2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/so-you-think-paradise-and-hell-the-same/#post-144876 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:05:44 +1200 That story is just a parable, not a true story. Its meant to teach a moral lesson. If you look above that scrip, jesus is talking to the pharisees. He said that he spoke to them in parables and that is what this is.The moral, among others, was that jesus was going to die and rise butthe pharisees would still not believe.jeff

]]> 2678926a5defe4ea667a11de51ed0822 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/153/#post-144875 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:03:07 +1200 Nick, the flesh son of god yes, but the spiritual son of god was the spirit according to those scriptures. (In fact there are many spiritual sons of god as te bible calls the angels that as well.)God is not the author of confusion which means his word should be logical and it is. If we cannot take the bible for what is plainly said then we might…[Read more]

]]> b53b3e8111e14af4797b4d9c8fb7f7af http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/#post-144858 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:49:00 +1200 Acts 221 then whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be savedThe meaning of this word CAN mean YHVH according to strongs. Given that it is the exact quote from the OT and it never explicitly says it is jesus, it would be just as fair, if not probable, to say it means YHVH here as well. After all the original quote said YHVH.Given that YHVH…[Read more]

]]> 8c1c3aeff8ba18da5e064a2e8e9fd2ce http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-yahweh/#post-144855 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:34:03 +1200 A few interesting passages are:Matthew 3:3For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said,” THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS,' MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD,MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!'”Rom 10:13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” These are in the NT but they are OT quotes. The LORD in each is…[Read more]

]]> aaeee3f24d7e6af13a26ac69f57e1125 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture-91/page/4/#post-144852 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:56:25 +1200 Nick,it sure seems that way by what is said. It says THEY referring to those that got beheaded. However I assume it matters on your eschatology. It is possible the “mark” is already here and we are not aware. Many believe it was nero and there is strong evidence to the possibility. If so, then the “beheaded” or those killed for christ could…[Read more]

]]> 0670ef122b111175a51c7b9f8621e9f0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/153/#post-144851 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:48:05 +1200 To get back to my main question that hasnt been addressed yet….Gen 1 says that GOD and the SPIRIT OF GOD were present in the beginning.John 1 says that GOD and the WORD were present.1 John 1 says that the Father and the WORD OF LIFE were present.Proverbs 8 says that the LORD and WISDOM were there.These are all parallels accounts showing that GOD…[Read more]

]]> 901c1462b459f2de474a268701f615a3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/152/#post-144840 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:50:05 +1200 Gene,I am thinking that God is a spirit much the same way that God is God. Its as Nick put sit I think. Elohim is a brood titke that the angels etc share with God. So we have gods and the GOD. Spirit seems similar. God is spirit but so are angels. They cannot be equal to GOD.Now we COULD be talking about the Holy Spirit since if I prove…[Read more]

]]> 0db5b90df1fb904327f8efdb6dc75ba0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/152/#post-144823 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:49:08 +1200 Gene,how do you define spirits? Simply Intellects?The spirit of god hovered/moved over the waters. Intellect doesnt hover. And if you are calling Spirits intellects what did jesus cast out of people when they SPOKE to him? And what was going on with the war in heaven? Was someone just having a psychotic episode up in heaven? Those were…[Read more]

]]> 4453ad3141c9d6d2c6f417a80125ad59 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/151/#post-144808 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:40:11 +1200 Nick,Yes the spirit proceeds from god. He is OF the father yes. And as we see at Jesus baptism the same Spirit took up flesh IN Jesus. So,John 8:4242 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.Jesus here is talking by way of the sprit.…[Read more]

]]> 8ce000b5adef59717fef77d2cccce64c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture-91/page/4/#post-144802 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:24:54 +1200 Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with…[Read more]

]]> aab9a3c5d4f9c11a1d736897af2a3389 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/151/#post-144801 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:04:51 +1200 Cindy, I am not saying the HS is apart from the father. David, I think you are still not understanding what I am saying. I am NOT saying that Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. Jesus of Nazareth was a man, the second Adam.When the HS came upon Him he became the God-Man.Jesus = manSpirit = SONFather = GODWhen he was baptised it says he was filled with the…[Read more]

]]> 2be983e7578abb90af441a61b89aca42 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/151/#post-144793 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:49:59 +1200 scripture says the Angels are spirits. they are also called sons of god. The HS is a set apart spirit. God was in Jesus by the HS is what the bible plainly shows.We have the evidence of the NT authors that there were 2 at the start and we have gen that says the same. No logic is needed here. The bible plainly states what is. I havent seen any…[Read more]

]]> 02371993c7cc456b4e4a9244ebc62565 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/151/#post-144791 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:36:05 +1200 Nick,its not logic, its what scripture plainly says. The words jesus spoke came FROM the father. How did he put them there? By the spirit as it says. Truth is logical, otherwise we would all believe in the trinity! And no the spirit is not apart from God, it is OF god. Nick, you still have not addressed my question. If you would, I would…[Read more]

]]> f5a1c1526ce115fb29aa592854e328da http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/151/#post-144788 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:31:54 +1200 So basically,In the beginning was THE SPIRIT OF GOD and the SPIRIT OF GOD was with God and The SPIRIT OF GOD was God. This fits based on Genesis 1 perfectly.The spirit is life, wisdom, power, word etc. Or again:1 John 11What was from the beginning, … concerning the SPIRIT OF GOD– 2and the life (spirit) was manifested, and we have seen and…[Read more]

]]> 82eb2103ab19e046ef0c5069bd717351 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/151/#post-144784 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:24:21 +1200 I fear I am not making myself clear as there is I think some confusion. I suppose I should have stated myself more clearly from the start. Let me attempt that now.Jesus = man, second adam, chosen lamb etc. but just man.Father = GODHoly (set apart) Spirit = The SON OF GOD. (possibly the angel of the lord as well and many other titles in…[Read more]

]]> 8f3933fc0fdfa0fa834592df36636022 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/150/#post-144775 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:50:41 +1200 David,”The only problem is, the two “beings” we see are not Jehovah and “the spirit.””I dont follow you? Are you saying because he is called Elohim? I am assuming this elohim is God/YHVH. We could debate that I am sure. But the spirit is clear enough. Its gods spirit.It also fits John 1 perfectly. In fact john even PARALLELS his gospel…[Read more]

]]> 507a473af9dac2dee444f580520aea85 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/150/#post-144770 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:43:50 +1200 David,In genesis it says the “spirit of God”. One could easily say the Christ of God. Makes sense. Now, what the makeup of said spirit is exactly is debatable. The problem is the word SPIRIT. God is spirit but so are angels. There is no way that God as spirit is anything like what he created. He is above that!But when it says that God is…[Read more]

]]> 2fa67858dfc65c18f106b5cea1b5594e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-two-resurrections/page/7/#post-144766 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:34:20 +1200 nick,we are told to be holy and perfect though which means it must be possible. I am not saying its easy but I dont think god would tell us to be if it was impossible. But even if we err we have an advocate with the father and according to 1 john 1:9 we are cleansed and “perfect” once more.So just be fast to repent when we err! Jeff

]]> 97515e49031deb0ac1475fd5d0245683 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/150/#post-144762 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:30:24 +1200 oh yes….and jesus, the man had to be baptised, as he himself said, to recieve of the same spirit as us. Jesus was a man, albeit a special one. When he was annointed with the christ spirit he became the SON in the flesh, as we will be.

]]> 76a4d76c0a5dc50a38b9593b144926ef http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/150/#post-144761 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:28:24 +1200 Nick,let me try this again.Col 1 says CHRIST created all things. (And God says he created all through christ.)Proverbs 8 says that Wisdom was with God in the beginning.Gen 1 says that God and the Spirit created all things.John 1 says the Word was with god in the beginning.If we only see 2 beings at the creation and we know that God created through…[Read more]

]]> c1381d5acaf0b2864512e88c149f6f18 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-two-resurrections/page/7/#post-144757 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:20:04 +1200 Nickhave them read some of deuters chapter 28 (i think) on the curses for disobedience and also I think its leviticus. After reading about wasting diseases and such, a desire for obedience should follow! Also, one thing we have learned here is WHY god wants obedience. Beyond just holiness, its for our own good! When we sin, the demons have a…[Read more]

]]> baeb6a459161fb3eac0e8abc2fde528a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/150/#post-144752 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:12:18 +1200 david,when I first started seeing them I thought I was losing my mind! But god has taught me what it all is and is still teaching me. When you see people get a demon cast out of them and they go from terminally ill to healed, you know they are real and they come to steal, kill, and destroy!We can get loopy if we start getting into calling all…[Read more]

]]> 233b8060b3650fcdcc55f95113f07175 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/150/#post-144749 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:07:55 +1200 Hey Nick,Yes christ (messiah) means the annointed one. The pre incarnate christ was the HS (the set apart spirit or annointed one).He fills us and we are one with the Father.Nick, before we go on, will you address my question?Col1: Christ made all thingsProverbs8: someone was with God at creation (we can even use John 1)Gen 1: The ONLY one with…[Read more]

]]> 870f13243b6f2d6fd2270d8d466f514e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144745 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:58:55 +1200 Nick,Jesus is the son of god. And so are you if he dwells in you. The same spirit that dwells in jesus is in us. That spirit is the christ/the HS of god. He makes us allsons of god but the christ is THE son of god

]]> fdf4541777eb5abf1c72ff74c3e63b26 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144744 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:56:21 +1200 Gene,>GOD is not Separate from his SPIRIT, I am not saying he is.>remember Jesus said GOD (IS) SPIRIT. This requires some debate because angels are also called spirits and they are created. So we must define that at some point clearly.>When Jesus said the FATHER was (IN) HIM he was meaning >He GOD was TRULY IN HIM, how by HIS SPIRIT which is…[Read more]

]]> 5ae708609644e1b8037389dfb82aec01 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144741 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:47:25 +1200 Hey Nick,–>So the Spirit is another Son?No, the Spirit is THE SON, the only begotten of God. He was begotten first spiritually and then physically. Mind you I dont know HOW god begat the son spiritually but I have my thoughts on the matter. But if we look at Col 1, then proverbs 8:27, and then Gen 1, we see that God created all THROUGH his son…[Read more]

]]> 3d23041c58f51be1dd72c2b8e2853439 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144737 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:27:58 +1200 Mt 10:20″For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. This is what I am saying. The spirit of the father is Christ/his son/the (set apart spirit) HS Nick, I ask you, if the son created and proverbs says that someone was at the beginning with god and gen 1 shows ONLY the spirit there, then how is it any other?Jeff

]]> 32370a58c3731e1867779b3d8903737d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144734 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:16:07 +1200 Gene,I agree but dont think the Spirit is an IT. I think the spirit is what created all things in the beginning. God created THROUGH his spirit/son. Now it is possible that the son is an angel that, like the man jesus, had to obediently accept the fathers will and hence became an obedient son and then later take on flesh in te man jesus. But…[Read more]

]]> ab01e6dd8a9e19278bbfbe0dd9ec8896 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144733 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:11:58 +1200 nick,yes the HS brings the fruit. So it was the HS in jesus and us that brings that fruit. Hence the HS IS that original SON as spirit. Look at Gen 1 closely. and then read proverbs 8:27.1In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the SPIRIT OF GOD…[Read more]

]]> 14de156df4d34a1b9f9a92063f46d2ff http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/149/#post-144727 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:54:16 +1200 nick, I have loads of scrips but would take forever to post them all. Let me just try a few.Proverbs 8:1919″My fruit is better than gold, even pure gold, And my yield better than choicest silver.The HS brings forth fruit.Gen1 1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the…[Read more]

]]> a58d97c29b15970aa003fbb9b8beeacb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/148/#post-144724 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:49:23 +1200 Nick,Acts 10:38 seems to support what I am saying. Jesu sthe man was baptised with the HS/spirt of christ/son of god and became one of gods sons in the flesh.Gene, I think I agree with what you just stated.

]]> 0092c160c0910c6e51c1909218d8ef9d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/148/#post-144722 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:46:03 +1200 One other thing, Proverbs 8 says:Proverbs 8:1919″My fruit is better than gold, even pure gold, And my yield better than choicest silver. We know it sthe HS that brings forth the FRUIT of the spirit. So Wisdom in Proverbs is the HS, not Jesus. Its the Spirot of god which is the son of god without flesh as I see it.Jeff

]]> 69fb1dab36f7d10aad88d35c6704a7f1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/148/#post-144719 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:40:36 +1200 Nick,I agree that we, like jesus, are born from above and become “sons of God.” But I think that its the original spirit of God which is THE son of god that brings us into that sonship.Proverbs makes it clear that something was brought forth and that something created. Gen 1 makes it clear that the something creating with God at the start was the HS.jeff

]]> 37f56417a3161f2cc5bfd314c8319c2e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/holy-spirit-17/#post-144713 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:29:49 +1200 Nick, can u move this into the larger HOLY SPIRIT list so as to not be duplicating. I posted in there since you brought up that post that was already there by posting in it.Gene, I most definitely understand gen 2:7 and what a soul is and would agree with some of what I think you are saying. But not all. I will post a responce in the other post…[Read more]

]]> fd93beadcc89bdadba361551c1c20e01 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/148/#post-144712 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:22:52 +1200 I thought I would repost some of my thoughts here since this seems to be where the HS discussion is. I would love to hear thoughts on the matter.The Holy spirit, I think IS the Son of God. We see in genesis that there are only 2. There is God and the world is created THROUGH the HS. The first thing he creates is LIGHT. (This is a whole topic…[Read more]

]]> 20bda330c2ee4ed7ae1c18c61c01ca5e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/holy-spirit-17/#post-144700 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:20:34 +1200 Thankyou for the welcomes! Any thoughts on the question? I havent seen any posts on the HS yet. I am sure someone must have commented on this at some point but I have not yet seen it. After all there is nothing knew under the sun.God BlessJeff

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